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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:13 PM
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BREAKING MSNBC: Obama to ask Mubarak to step down in favor of Suleiman
Oh, my, this will distress those who said Obama cannot ask Mubarek to step down and that he was doing the right thing by not asking for same.

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Lawrence O'Donnell has just reported on-air that Obama will ask Mubarak to step down "immediately" in favor of a "transitional government" headed by Omar Suleiman.

http://www.americablog.com/2011/02/breaking-msnbc-obama...
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:14 PM
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1. I hope they include a multinational team of observers
of everything.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:15 PM
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2. it would have been preferable for Mubarak to step down without Obama asking him to do so in public
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:31 PM
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16. Obama calls for orderly transition of power
Edited on Thu Feb-03-11 09:31 PM by Jackpine Radical
from one dictator to the next.

http://www.americablog.com/2011/02/egypt-hosni-mubarak-...

(S)ince 1993 Suleiman has headed the feared Egyptian general intelligence service. In that capacity, he was the C.I.A.s point man in Egypt for renditionsthe covert program in which the C.I.A. snatched terror suspects from around the world and returned them to Egypt and elsewhere for interrogation, often under brutal circumstances. ...

Further documentation of Suleimans role in the rendition program appears in Ron Suskinds book, The One Percent Doctrine. Katherine Hawkins, a sharp-eyed human-rights lawyer who did legal research for my book, points out that, according to Suskind, Suleiman was the C.I.A.s liaison for the rendition of an Al Qaeda suspect known as Ibn Sheikh al-Libi. The Libi case is particularly controversial, in large part because it played a role in the building of the case for the American invasion of Iraq.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:15 PM
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3. Didn't say he would ask publicly...
...which I think is the only strategy some people here will consider acceptable.
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RegieRocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:18 PM
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4. Public statement is mandatory.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:24 PM
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10. But if the deal is done, no announcement needed.
Mubarak just gets on a plane and is gone, a caretaker government is set up, power is transferred, talks with everyone begin, parliament gets engaged, the transition happens, and the pro-democracy forces win. Wouldn't that be sweet.

If that's what happens, as a major critic of Obama's last 48 hours, I'll still need convincing that he couldn't have done this two days ago, but despite that, I'll give him full and grateful credit for pulling this off in the end.

I hope it is so.
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RegieRocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:30 PM
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15. My sentiments exactly.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:19 PM
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6. heh
Here doesn't matter. There matters. There, they will be happy, methinks, if they know Obama has told the crook to hit the bricks.
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Khan Descend Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:18 PM
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5. The USA has been manipulating politics in the middle east for a hundred years
and it's still a big widespread clusterfuck. I wonder if any of our politicians ever considered that just maybe leaving them the fuck alone might be a sort of halfway intelligent approach...

grrr

:eyes:
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:20 PM
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7. Please let it be true!
That is the statement that has been missing! I really hope it's on.
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mindwalker_i Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:20 PM
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8. This guy?

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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:20 PM
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9. Asking for Suleiman is not gonna win us any friends
Edited on Thu Feb-03-11 09:25 PM by AnOhioan
Better he should have asked for someone not connected so intimately with Mubarak, and no, I don't know who that would be.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:28 PM
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12. If it avoids tragedy tomorrow, it's worth it
I assume Sulieman becomes a figurehead.
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:32 PM
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17. A big if...I don't think the protesters would accept Suleiman
They seem pretty definitive about Mubarak gov't going away...and that includes Suleiman
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:36 PM
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21. I think they will, if he's contained
He becomes like a figurehead leader of a caretaker government, but he doesn't control anything. That could be the deal.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:45 PM
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26. I don't think they will accept it.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:25 PM
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11. The Octomom is going to be prez of Egypt???????
:rofl:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:28 PM
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13. Well, why not?
All the world's a reality show anymore ;)
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:29 PM
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14. Very, very true.
;)

:hi:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:32 PM
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18. But the crowd doesn't want Suleiman.
He's simply same shit different day.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:32 PM
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19. This may not make things any better. In fact, it could make things worse.
The citizens of Egypt are not happy about Suleiman

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-01/mubarak-s-top-...
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:43 PM
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25. Is it just me or . . .
Does Suleiman look just like the Nazi Officer in the movie "Casablanca"?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:09 PM
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28. :snort:




The same 'stache, fer sure.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:34 PM
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20. Good news, but will Egypt accept this
U.S. brokered plan for a transitional government under Suleiman or move to scrap the entire regime and install ElBaradei? I think a lot of Egyptians will be skeptical of U.S. motives and Suleiman's commitment to deliver real democratic reforms. I would be.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:38 PM
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22. Orders from the Emperor...
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:41 PM
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23. "Immediately" as in this month, sometime maybe this year, if it's not too inconvenient.
*Cue Dana Carvey as Church Lady*

"Oh, isn't that convenient?
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:41 PM
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24. I don't think Sulieman himself is a dealbreaker
If he is just the figurehead leader of the caretaker government formed to run things while the political and civil society groups, religious groups, etc. sort out the constitution and transition stuff, then I don't see why he'd be a dealbreaker. Hope not. I think it's something Egyptians could work with. It's their choice that ultimately matters, but that's my view.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:49 PM
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27. "If he is just the figurehead leader....etc"
I also think that would be a great solution but considering U.S. foreign policy, regardless of party in power, I think that's a big if.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:19 PM
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29. Egypt is revolting against 82 year old man who has cancer and isn't 'running' for office again- why?
Edited on Thu Feb-03-11 10:20 PM by kenny blankenship
Because they know his successor is waiting the wings, and they don't want Mubarak's regime to continue after he's gone. That successor, put forward by the military last week, and approved by Mubarak is Omar Suleiman. Don't look for any transition to democracy with Suleiman if he's allowed to remain in any proximity to power.

I'm going to guess this proposal will elicit many WHAT THE FUCK??? outbursts from protesting Egyptians tomorrow. Egyptians know this Suleiman as the head of "Intelligence", and we know him as a guy who is happy to do our torture for us, himself, in person. Basically the job of Head of Intelligence in Egypt consists in eliminating possible opposition to the regime, so those are the qualifications he would bring to the job of "transition to democracy". Suleiman is not young himself, but Egypt would have a better chance at self-determination by just waiting for Mubarak to croak and having a fur-flying revolution then, rather than letting Suleiman get into place as "caretaker". Once he's in there he could be very difficult to dislodge, and the Reaper isn't already on the way for him like Mubarak.
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:21 PM
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30. And if he says No??? nt
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