I will make this promise.

[kentuck]

I will fight against any Democrat that surrenders Social Security to the Republican Party. I will do everything in my power to see that they are never elected to another Democratic office.

It doesn't matter if they are a Congressman, a Senator, or the President of the United States. I am laying down my marker. I simply cannot support a Democrat that would surrender the crowning achievement of the Democratic Party.

Once they join the Republicans in destroying Social Security, they have lost me. And, in my opinion, they have lost the Democratic Party. If they are entertaining such thoughts, I would suggest they rid their minds of them immediately. Otherwise, they will be my enemy.

I'm certain they are shaking in their boots? Who is this one little Democrat that is going to keep us out of office? We are so scared...

[Mojorabbit]

1. You can make that two. nt

[H2O Man]

2. Three.

[DJ13]

3. Make that three... er four!

:rofl:

[Vadem]

4. make it three!!!! ......n/t

[ProSense]

5. Haven't you heard?

The cuts are going to happen, any day now.

[NorthCarolina]

35. IMO, this is not really a subject to poke fun at. nt

[Divernan]

59. Agreed. Any cuts, privatization, extensions of retirement age spell tragedy for 100s of thousands.

And the GOP is pushing so strongly on these issues that it is incredible anyone would trivialize our concerns.

[ProSense]

66. Why?

Is poking fun only limited to claims that cuts are not inevitable?

You know, anything can happen, but repeatedly distorting someone's position isn't particularly useful.

[Lasher]

106. I have often wondered if you are one of Grover Norquist's agents.

Not really, that's just a joke. Hee hee.

[ProSense]

116. Unlike some so-called progressives, I detest Grover Norquist. n/t

[rhett o rick]

123. Wait a min. No progressive likes Norquist. Always pushing hate toward progressives. Are you Rahmbo?

[RetroLounge]

134. No one would call you a progressive

So you're safe with Grover.

RL

[sabrina 1]

139. Too bad Obama thinks highly enough Grover Norquist to

allow him to give him advice on the Fed. Deficit. But hey, there is a strange standard being applied to bloggers who 'reach across the aisle, try a little bi-partisanship to try to get things done, once in a blue moon, as opposed to presidents with a 'D' after their names who drag ousted Republicans from the political gutter and put them in places of power.

How DO you feel about the President taking advice on the Fed. Deficit from the infamous Mr. Norquist btw?

[Lasher]

140. I was just making a joke.

Like you did.

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[ProSense]

117. Is this a threat to

gang up on posts? Imagine the the terror!

Unlike you, I really don't believe a lone opinion here is going to dramatically impact public policy.

[rhett o rick]

124. It appears you have a guardian angel. nm

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[MannyGoldstein]

119. Should be by the end of March

When Obama is "hostaged" again over the debt ceiling. He'll be "forced" to agree to the recommendations of his own commission, which he designed to recommend Social Security cuts.

[Maraya1969]

133. Can you tell me how I can find that information? Thanks

[Stinky The Clown]

6. Rec 5 is mine. Off to the Greatest Page with you, now.

[JanBrady]

7. K&R. I'm with you.

[hootinholler]

8. I'm in.

They don't call it the third rail for nothing.

-Hoot

[snappyturtle]

9. Count me in too! K&R nt

[femrap]

10. I really don't think we have

two political parties anymore.....just one big fat GREEDY, CORPORATE C*CKSUCKING ONE.

Game over.

[neverforget]

11. I'm with you

[somone]

12. Recommended

[WillyT]

13. Right There With You !!! - K & R !!!

:patriot:

:kick:

:hi:

[decidedlyso]

14. I will join you and do whatever is necessary. Time to get rid of

Claire McCaskil, even if we have to go there to talk to voters.

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[emilyg]

16. I'm with you.

[Doremus]

17. I join you. Somebody should make a pledge form for us to sign. nt

[decidedlyso]

19. I think that is a great idea. My forecast is they will try to cut or

adjust social security by the ides of march. If we get something going, I'll do whatever anybody wants me to do. I trust Harry Reid somewhat, but he's the only one. That payroll tax cut never should have been done!

[defendandprotect]

69. They're not threatened by losing your votes ... ask yourself why ---

[Doremus]

95. No need to ask why as the answer is obvious.

Similarly, there's no need to go quietly into that good night -- is there?

Putting up a web page with a pledge for people to sign that they will never again support the corporatists in either party is cathartic for the signers, if nothing else.

[defendandprotect]

141. Agree --

and in that case, guess the huge liberal voting bloc has to decide whether

we do or don't have "someplace else to go"?

Don't know if there's enough left of the Dem Party to save --

but if we could DRAFT Bernie Sanders to run on a Dem ticket and stick with

outsiders -- those Dems from outside the party who aren't yet bought and

pre-bribed by corporate money -- maybe we could get a ticket that all liberals

would vote for?

It would expand the liberal vote beyond the Dems -- perhaps drawing the many

who wouldn't ordinarly vote for a Dem?

[russspeakeasy]

110. The pol's are not threatened by your vote or non-vote.

Votes and non-votes can be purchased by the millions.

[robinlynne]

18. count me in.

[bullwinkle428]

20. Another K&R.

[Odin2005]

21. K&R

[kentuck]

22. Either we are Democrats or we are not.

Thanks to all you Democrats for standing with me on this issue.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

23. The Democratic Party manifesto states that it defends social security

anyone who doesn't support social security will be booted out of the party forthwith.

let's make this very clear!

[TheKentuckian]

24. Down

[Mnemosyne]

25. + 52. KnR n/t

[me b zola]

26. I'm with you

I had made this decision a little while ago.

[Lugnut]

27. I'm with you.

It's a line I won't ever cross.

[BuelahWitch]

28. I'm with you!

:kick:

[Tsiyu]

29. even discussing it pisses me off

i can't believe we have gone this far backward in such a short time.

it's unbelievable

K & R

[cdcfbw1]

135. even discussing...

I'm with you! My god,it's like were in a nightmare!

[Tsiyu]

137. And Congress is made up of Zombies

With the Stock Market so high, Wall Street bonuses so high, how can they even throw this up in our faces?

And the amount American workers are earning is paltry compared to the cost of living.

It's a war on every American who isn't one of the 1%ers

"We got ours, screw you!"


Another kick for this

:kick:

[tomp]

30. that ss will be revamped is virtually a done deal.

the only question is how much will they get away with.

the only way to stop them (demorepublican party) is to bring millions out into the streets.

if we can't do that, all is lost. look to egypt for inspiration.

[pecwae]

31. Right there with you.

Why a Democrat would even consider thinking about such a thing......

[chimpymustgo]

32. It will be ON. With you 100%.

[nashville_brook]

33. k and r

[TBF]

34. Solidarity, kentuck, I stand with you. nt

[defendandprotect]

70. DU needs to organize a fight-back for Social Security -- if we can organize here ...

to send money to candidates, we should be able to organize here to

make a non-financial impression on Demcrats? Liberal website, right?

Then, this is the place to do it!

[mdmc]

36. don't believe the 2% tax holiday hype

support SSA!

[cate94]

37. K & R

With you all the way.

[Little Star]

38. I'm with you! k&r

[BlueJac]

39. Count me in!

[Hubert Flottz]

40. Make that another democrat...

They need to figure out how to pay back, what they "BORROWED" from the money WE paid in.

[Paper Roses]

41. Count me in.

[whathehell]

42. Damned. Straight...This IS the line in the sand. n/t

[barbtries]

43. let them know it

if you haven't already - you put it very well here, send this to your democratic reps. i will join you.

[The Wizard]

44. Any Democrat

who continues to acquiesce to the corporate rape of the American peoples' interests must be challenged and defeated. I don't care if they take the bribes. I only care how they vote.

[riverwalker]

45. I take that oath as well n/t

[NNN0LHI]

46. Better go have a talk with the assholes who stayed home and didn't vote

And those encouraging other stupids to do the same. They are the ones who put us into this situation.

Your anger is misdirected.

Don

[Old Codger]

47. Absolutely N/T

[tilsammans]

48. With you all the way! n/t

:patriot:

[BonnieJW]

49. Me too.

Anyone who would touch SS or Medicare is not a member of the Democratic party, no matter what letter appears after their name.

[MasonJar]

50. Feingold for President. Thank you Kentuck from a fellow Kentuckian.

[myrna minx]

51. K&R n/t

[rosesaylavee]

52. Yes.

[Time for change]

53. Amen!

I have other criteria as well, but that is certainly one of them.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

54. With Ya all the way ...

Could be the issue that gets us to "Walk like an Egyptian".

Just sayin' it is a pretty cool dance.

[Bluenorthwest]

55. I'm in

I'd even say that those who fail to meet the duty of defending Social Security with full power of rhetoric and office should be removed. No time for milquetoast semi-Dems.

[taught_me_patience]

57. How do you define "surrender"?

Would raising the age by a year be "surrender"?

[Divernan]

61. Yes. The program is financially sound for decades to come IF

the US govt. pays back the money it borrowed. There is no financial need to raise the age. Why should ANY American worker/senior citizen have to work longer to finance the political profligacy of funding the military-industrial war machine?

[Jackpine Radical]

88. Yoodambetcha.

That is a supposed "adjustment" due to supposed rising life expectancies. However, life expectancies are only rising in the relatively more prosperous parts of society, not among the low-wage segments. Also, manual laborers wreck their bodies at their jobs a lot younger than the rest of us do. Try being a 60 year-old construction worker with a bad back. Or a 50 year-old nursing assistant who has to lift, bathe and care for bedridden people.

Edited to add:

And count me in as well.

[bobbolink]

126. Well said, and all the people you mention are forgotten, and many more.

BASTA!

[Enthusiast]

104. Raising the age is surrender.

There has been no increase in life expectancy for working class people. That is another right wing fabrication.

[Fire1]

60. I'm in!! K&R

[gateley]

62. You can make that 170. nt

[Hell Hath No Fury]

63. Any Democrat who aids in any way --

the weakening of SS does not deserve to call themselves a Democrat and DOES deserve to have their ass handed to them on a plate at the ballot box.

I stand with you, Kentuck.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

64. I'm with you, my dear kentuck.

THIS is the line I will not cross.

:mad:

[Michigan-Arizona]

65. K&R Count both hubby & I in n/t

[disillusioned73]

67. Checking in..

k&r:dem:

[defendandprotect]

68. As many have suggested, DU should be fighting back on Social Security ....

the website should be giving some leadership on this issue --

but, overall, as a matter of conscience I won't be able to support Obama in 2012

no matter what more damage he does -- and will only support individual Democrats.

IMO, we need a new candidate in 2012 -- someone from outside the party whom we trust.

And it would have to be based on ending these wars --

MEDICARE FOR ALL --

Actually do something about jobs -- overturning the trade agreeements --

Caring for the homeless and impoverished --

Standing between Wall Street and the public -- not with Wall Street --

Renewing Glass-Steagall and returning to the regulations which protect us from

corporate crime --

[jillan]

71. This is my line in the sand as well.

[peace frog]

73. ..and mine

NO QUARTER to any politician on the left, right or middle who doesn't vigorously defend SS from any and all attacks.

[defendandprotect]

72. Not enough to withdraw support ... there has to be a plan of action ---

a positive direction to move in -- a real fight-back --

And that's what we all need to be discussing here!!

Whatever liberals do -- it's a huge bloc of voters -- and we should be moving

together -- !!!


:)

[MelissaB]

74. Count me in!

[jwirr]

75. Me also.

[Jakes Progress]

77. Me too. But any lines I mark in the sand

will be superfluous. So many have been trampled.

[HughBeaumont]

78. Rec # 200!

The Great Risk Shift better not apply here.

[woofless]

79. I'm in.

[JNelson6563]

80. What are you prepared to do?

Besides post on DU?

[Skittles]

120. you do realize

that many of us do more than post on DU, right?

[JNelson6563]

138. No, I don't realize this.

How could I? It's not like the place is packed with tales of engagement in the real world. So I will pose the thus far unanswered question to you: What are you prepared to do?

Julie

[robertpaulsen]

81. K & R! And Hell Yeah, I'll make that promise too!

:kick:

[FiveGoodMen]

82. Count me in.

We really don't have a party anymore.

[Gin]

83. count me in too

[justabob]

84. sign me up too

There have been many things, but Social Security is it, the last straw.

[RBInMaine]

85. I think you need to take a chill pill, bigtime.

[Lucian]

91. I see where you stand.

So you think it'll be okay if they cut Social Security?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

97. Gag me with a spoon, hoser!

Is it still 1987 up in Maine?

[rhett o rick]

127. Do you have a discussion or just here to throw stones. nm

[Caretha]

131. I guess we all need that

chill pill then, please send me a very large packet of 'em, because I have dozens of liberal Democratic voting friends that don't belong to DU and feel the exactly the same.

[FailureToCommunicate]

86. Kick-ass Bluegrass! We're with ya!

:kick:

[bvar22]

87. What if "they" extend the "Tax Holiday" ,

or use other backdoor methods to destroy Social Security?

[Jackpine Radical]

90. Same thing, in my book.

[Lucian]

89. I will stand with you.

And I fear that day will be coming sooner than we think, unfortunately.

[Blue_In_AK]

92. I couldn't agree with you more, Kentuck.

It's shameful what they've done to the Social Security fund.

[UrbScotty]

93. Yes! Let's PRIMARY the hell out of these non-Democrats!

[KansDem]

94. Make that 235!

I'm with you, kentuck!

[Peregrine Took]

96. Count us in too! n/t

[ChiciB1]

98. Not That There Are ANY Democrats Around For Me To Vote Againhst...

given where I live, but I TOO will NEVER vote for a Democrat that willingly votes against "we the people" regarding this issue and OTHERS that have already been voted on!

We have our OWN "little Egypt" here, but APATHY is the name of the game in these times!! Do I want unrest, NO... but our own leaders are doing a very good job by keeping more and more people falling into the PIT OF POVERTY!!

For the past 2 months I've pretty much stopped blogging because of the anxiety level that takes over my brain. Unfortunately, I'm only sticking my head in the sand by doing so. It DOES get to be too much for so many of us!

Living here in Florida I'm THANKFUL for the GREAT weather we are having, but then living in FLORIDA really, really SUCKS when it comes to our political situation! The SNOW will melt, but so many of us here know we are living with so much corruption down here and we feel HELPLESS to stop it!!

Recently called my local water department about FLUORIDATION of our water and it was useless! According to them, I'M the nut even when I gave them names of researchers who condemn the use of fluoride!!

:scared: :nuke:

[SaveOurDemocracy]

99. My promise, too ... K&R

[texshelters]

100. It's socialism, I tell you

Interesting how three years after my questioning the Democratic Party (its choice of candidates for President, its locking out of Dennis Kucinich from the Debates, its war funding ways) and having numerous posts of mine blocked (praise be that the powers that be are now more interested in Democratic thought and NOT the Democratic Party) that this should come up.

And so many of you poo pooed the idea of cutting the military budget. What, you think cutting Social Security and Medicaid is better because bombing has more social value? Ugh.

Peace,
Tex shelters

[alterfurz]

101. damn straight!

sign me up!

[Enthusiast]

102. I'm with you, kentuck.

We have a majority in the senate and the presidency. There will be NO EXCUSE for increasing the retirement age or any other right wing shenanigans designed to compromise social security for now or the future. And I will not fall for another fake special deal with Republicans similar to the bullshit Obama pulled to extend unemployment benefits.

[Puppyjive]

105. You can count on me

[Lasher]

107. I am a diehard yellow dog.

But I am right on the edge and you have expressed my sentiments exactly.

[closeupready]

109. I agree. K&R

n/t

[shanti]

111. me too

it's my bottom line issue.

[lob1]

112. K&R. I'm with you.

[slipslidingaway]

113. knr - also for any Medicare cuts. n/t

[katty]

114. me too

[sulphurdunn]

115. Business like efficiency in a two party system

comes about when one party is unwilling to compromise on anything and the other is willing to sellout on everything.

[hay rick]

118. K&R

[Generic Other]

121. Are there no workhouses? Are there no prisons?

Name Offence Date Punishment
Elliott, Benjamin Neglect of work 31 May 1842 Dinner withheld, and but bread for supper.

Rowe, Sarah Noisy and swearing 19 June 1842 Lock'd up for 24 hours on bread and water.

Aplin, John Disorderly at Prayer-time 22 July 1842 Lock'd up for 24 hours on bread and water.

Mintern, George Fighting in school 26 July 1842 No cheese for one week.

Greenham, Mary and Payne, Priscella Quarreling and fighting 14 Dec 1842 No meat 1 week.

Bartlett, Mary Breaking window 21 Mar 1843 Sent to prison for 2 mths.

Park, James Deserted, got over wall 4 Sep 1843 To be whipped.

Hallett, Isaac Breaking window 25 April 1844 Sent to prison for 2 months hard labour.

Staple, John Refusing to work 7 Jany. 1856 Committed to prison for 28 days.

Johnson, John Refusing to work 19 Oct 1858 Cheese & tea stop'd for supper. Breakfast stop's altogether.

Soaper, Elizabeth Making use of bad language in bedroom.
Trying to excite other inmates to insubordination. Refusing to work. 17 Jany. 1863 Taken before the Magistrate & committed to prison for 14 days hard labour.

Note by Chairman of the Guardians: "Would not 28 days be better—J.F.?"

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/

[Ghost in the Machine]

122. REC #310, and I stand with you on this..

Is it ok if I cross-post this at http://www.handsoffsocialsecurity.us ? Or you could sign up there and post it or start a petition

Peace,

Ghost

[Lasher]

142. Bookmarked that site.

Thanks.

I think it would be a good idea to bookmark a bunch of them. There must be more.

[rhett o rick]

125. Of course I am in. nm

[bobbolink]

128. I'm with you! Its time to make a clear stand!

[Paka]

129. I think we are up to some high numbers here.

Glad to join this fight. Maybe a few will need to shake in their boots!

:toast:

[teacher gal]

130. Pleased to heartily rec. Thanks Kentuck n/t

[lordsummerisle]

132. K&R n/t

[quakerboy]

136. Any Politician, be they Democrat, Republican, Communist or Monarchist

who votes to undo, privatize, damage, or in any way weaken Social Security will get neither my vote nor my money nor my time. As far as I have power to do so, they will see my opposition.