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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 10:57 AM
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Wisconsin voters wondering what happened to the big jobs agenda their bagger Governor promised them
http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/114970784.html

Jobs in Wisconsin

What happened to Walker's agenda?

By Phil Neuenfeldt

Jan. 31, 2011

As Gov. Scott Walker on Tuesday delivers his first "state of the state" address, working men and women across Wisconsin are wondering what happened to the jobs agenda that played such a prominent role in November's election.

As a candidate, Walker pledged that addressing unemployment - currently 7.5% statewide but higher in urban and some rural areas - would be his administration's top priority and the focus of a special session of the Legislature. It was part of his promise to create 250,000 jobs by 2014.

So far, it's hard to pinpoint any action by the governor that creates a single job or does anything to boost the state from its economic slump.

There certainly isn't a new job to be found in Senate Bill 1 and Assembly Bill 1, the so-called tort reform legislation passed during the session. The measure severely limits the legal protections of workers and consumers injured through acts of corporate negligence or malfeasance, such as the "Big Blue" crane accident that led to the deaths of three ironworkers during the construction of Miller Park.

A witness testifying on behalf of the legislation flatly refused to say if it would create any jobs, calling it a "trick question."

:rofl:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 11:05 AM
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1. Heads up, there are teabaggers here unrecing your post. nt
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 11:09 AM
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2. Just think how pathetic your life has to be to spend it scurrying around
an online forum unrecing posts.
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 12:09 AM
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19. I'd say they have OCD and probably should seek mental help
Not that they could afford it. Depressed and paranoid too. yawn. they gotta be out of work to have time to unrec a post. not that Republicans would admit to being unemployed
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 03:12 AM
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25. Nearly as pathetic as using the 1st response simply to point out UnRecs.
So, the merits or importance of this thread were not worthy of any response with the first post other than to point out UnRecs? Currently it is on the home page with 111 Recs so it seems to be doing quite nicely.
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 03:14 AM
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26. it is not pathetic
to point out that DU has been infiltrated by right wingers.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 03:25 AM
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28. That assumes that UnRecs are always the work of right wingers.
Everyone always objects when their OP or one with which they agree gets UnRecs. Yes, how dare anybody do that, they must be freepers or trolls.

Is it really so difficult to comprehend that not all DUers are sheep and line up with exactly the same opinions on every subject? Why there are even good Democrats here who do not like President Obama, or maybe DK or KO. If they were to UnRec threads on those subjects with which they disagree does that make them right wingers? Obviously not. Evidently it is easier to attribute any UnRecs here to a vast right wing conspiracy, and not that people might simply not agree with the post or the subject or what it says.

OPs and new threads get Recs based upon their merits. Whining about UnRecs in the first few moments a thread is posted is stupid as this one clearly points out since it has over 100 Recs and is on the front page. Kicking a thread is more valuable than a Rec because it pushes that thread to the top of its forum every time there is a new response.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 03:33 PM
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7. I meant to rec and accidentally unrecc'd
There oughta be a confirmation dialog box. :(
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 02:38 AM
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24. There are teabaggers here.
They are just as stupid as teabaggers everywhere else. Easily influenced deeply stupid Rand Paul supporters.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 11:25 AM
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3. Serves them right
If you are not willing to take the time to find out what your candidate really stands for, you shouldn't go out and vote for said candidate.
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perdita9 Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:52 AM
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39. We get the government we deserve
A majority of American put these jokes into office and now the whole country is going to suffer for it. But that's how Democracy works.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 10:36 AM
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42. That would bring the voting public down to
about 10,000 across the entire US.

I think a far better answer would be for reporters to actually report facts and not the opinions of their corporate masters.
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du_da Donating Member (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 10:48 AM
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45. Nice concept
but how would said reporters get those facts out while sitting at home and no job and no production crew to distribute the message. They could record themselves and put the info out on the net but that would mean we are back to the orginal point of the voters needing to go do some research. Also, those reporters would be doing less reporting since they would be working some other job to pay the bills.


The concept is good, but we can't forget about the structure when attempting to solve problems.

As for voting, I have always believed that if someone is not willing to do the research they should make the choice not to vote in that specific election thus limiting voting activites to the races in which research was accomplished. Note before the con crowd jumps me, there is a difference between wanting them to make the choice and wanting to prevent them from voting.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 11:28 AM
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47. Regulation could help
Edited on Wed Feb-02-11 11:28 AM by obxhead
A free press is a necessary and important thing, but should that freedom extend to a press that intentionally distorts and lies? A bit of regulation against a news agency being classified as news when it is simply an opinion outlet could be a step.

Yes, regulation of the news is a dangerous and slippery slope. If you think about it though, it is already happening and has been for a very long time.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 11:27 AM
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4. Self Delete
Edited on Tue Feb-01-11 11:28 AM by Drale
Double Post
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 11:28 AM
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5. Yo - OH, WI & ME - you've been had - your teabaggin' Gov's work for their cronies, not for you
Edited on Tue Feb-01-11 11:28 AM by jpak
yup
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 03:31 PM
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6. Yup. They be lied to! WE knew but sad that they didn't.
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geekgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 08:17 AM
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32. hey 61% of us here in Maine voted for someone else-- keep that in mind! eom
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 08:34 AM
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34. ????
And yet the Tea Bagger won!
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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 01:45 PM
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49. Yes - with 38% of the vote
On the ballot was the Asshole, our Dem candidate, an Independent that got 37% of the vote and two other guys. 61-62% of Mainers DID NOT VOTE FOR THIS SHIT ASS. Mainers are not that stupid. This is how the Tea Baggers got in and the editorials around the state are tearing them to shreds!
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 11:21 AM
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46. And we're waiting for the jobs too.
I despise LePage but will wait for longer than one month to pass judgement on whether or not he intends to live up to his overblown rhetoric and if so, who and what is sacrificed in the process.
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 11:38 AM
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48. I live in WI and was not had - I voted for Barrett
It was all the rednecks up nort that fell into the trap - because they are morons.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 03:38 PM
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8. He personally sabotaged thousands of potential jobs
by killing the high-speed rail program. :dunce:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 10:37 AM
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43. Not at all. He CREATED those 5000 jobs.
Unfortunately not in WI, but in the states that will get the railroad money instead.

Did he actually specify that he intended to create jobs in WI? How do you know he meant Wisconsin? Not Florida, California & China?
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 03:58 PM
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9. Yep, in between grating wetlands construction expemtions to ampaign donors...
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RegieRocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 03:59 PM
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10. The repubs are tricksey
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 04:08 PM
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11. See boys and girls- this is what happens when you vote stupid.
Vote stupid and stupid happens.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 04:10 PM
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12. hollow, empty republican talking points....no action...wow, shocking!!!
Edited on Tue Feb-01-11 04:12 PM by spanone
i predict by the summer buyer's remorse will be countrywide
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 04:13 PM
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13. The fools elected people who "hate the government" and then are surprised ...
when the nuts they elected do everything they can to prove government sucks.

Would you hire a person for a job if the applicant told you UP FRONT, that the job in question could NEVER be done well?

Hell no. But those voting GOP continue to do this over and over.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 10:09 AM
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40. I'm surprised that even the most ignorant single-issue voters can't make that connection...
But it does feed their perpetual cycle of hate, since when things fail as planned they get to say "I KNEW government couldn't do anything right! I'm going to vote in some other rich candidate next time who claims to REALLY hate government!"
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Kweli4Real Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 10:27 AM
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41. Except here in Arizona ...
The idiotic right voted to put a bunch of nuts in office, from Governor on down -- The legislative menu so far ... 2 Birther Bills, a Bill requesting a waiver to kick 200,000+ off ACCHS (medicaid), a Bill to expand where folks can lawfully carry guns (e.g., bars, public buildings, college campuses, the workplace), a Bill to end birthrate citizenship, and a Bill to lower corporate taxes and raise citizens' property taxes.

Jobs priority one ... yeah, right.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 04:33 PM
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14. RepubliBaggery is such BS
"Where are the jobs?" - Honorable people

"D'oh - that sounds like, um, a trick question or something." - RepubliBagger
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 09:20 PM
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15. Please remember, a lot of us DID NOT vote for this dope
nor the dope who defeated Feingold. Believe me, a whole lot of us are living the misery that others have wrought. And many of you only have to watch.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 12:00 AM
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18. Actively worked for his opponent, but Wisconsinites decided this idjit
was the one to pin their hopes on. He trashed Milwaukee County so lets put him in the Guv Mansion.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 10:55 PM
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16. The media here is just spinning this guy as the jobs man.
And people are so preoccupied with the snow storm, they won't even bother to notice that he has done nothing to create jobs here. In fact, I would argue that he has done a lot to cut jobs and keep certain others (notably the train that will now go AROUND our state) away.

Wisconsin voters were by and large, idiots in the last election and are so dumb, they won't even notice what he is doing.

I'm horrified to be living in a red state thanks to morans.
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 11:01 PM
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17. Don't froget the losses in green energy.
His harebrained scheme to put restrictions on the placement of new wind turbines will kill a lot of jobs.

(Wait, I thought you teabaggers said that regulating buisnesses was BAD???)
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 12:20 AM
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20. Well, now, just whaddaya mean passing the
tort "reform" bill isn't gonna do anything to bring in jobs? It most certainly will. Now those golden saviors of mankind and true capitalism, the corporations and businesses, will be able to do whatever they want, and, thus, kill and injure as many workers as they want, without having to worry about too much of that job-killing liability and accountability stuff. So there, you see, THAT'LL bring in a ton of slave labor-uh, ahem, I mean jobs, no, really, I meant jobs, I did!-right there. And so those bills ARE creating or will create jobs and they got no right whatsoever to trick us up with those pesky-uh, I mean tricky-questions. (Sure hope I don't need the sarcasm thingy here!)

Gah. Unfortunately, that isn't too far off from how too many of them really think.
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Disorientedx3 Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 01:31 AM
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22. sadly, agreed.
"Wisconsin's Open For Business" is just code for "It's OK To Royally Screw Working People". Sigh. Tort reform, targeting unions, "Right to Work" (for less),.. seeking to weaken FML and BadgerCare... Maybe we can change the state motto, 'cuz "Forward!" just seems grossly inappropriate.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 12:26 AM
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21. K&R
Rising Above Politics

No matter what liberals may think, its no crime to be dumb and unaware in this world. Otherwise most of this country would be in prison. So when I saw Big Larry mowing his lawn yesterday, probably for the last time, I just waved and pretended that everything was hunky dory. Both of us knew everybody in town saw that foreclosure block ad on the back of the paper. We have come to watch for them of late, like the obits, to see if anyone we know has been axed by fate. But sometimes you show a working man respect by giving the A-OK sign -- a sign that, bad as it may be now my brother, youll be back to fight again for the feudalistic delusions and promises America has ever offered to working class suckers like us, because there has never been any other choice. There have just been the good times and the bad times allowed us, according to the American financial syndicates needs at the time.

Sure, they may kick a lot of Republicans asses out of office next election. Big friggin deal! For my people, the same feudalist deal is on the table as ever: work hard, kill when you are told to, trust your betters, and everything will be all right. Plenty of highly politicized leftists and their meeker kin, the last hopeful Democrats, came up as hard as anyone Ive described here. The Democratic Party definitely doesnt want them showing up like bikers at a cocktail party and talking real populism. Because there aint no big money campaign contributions behind populism.

Look at it this way: Black America suffered lynchings, police dogs and fire bombings just to shit on the same toilet seats as white Americans like you and me, and ultimately waste their lives in front of computer monitors next to us on the same electronic plantation of the gulag global economy swallowing America and the rest of the world. And so, still I ask (and who am I to ask anything?): Are there any progressives or leftists willing to come out here into the hinterlands and offer the first step. True populist hope? Spell it out in see-spot-run language? Talk about our bad teeth and why our elderly parents are rotting in pisshole nursing homes owned by ex-car dealers and attended by imported Asian physicians who barely speak English? Or the dynamics of hopelessness that drive the meth epidemic out here?

It will take an entire lifetime of commitment amid a crumbling world. And it will continue to crumble around us even as we work. There will be not one ounce of glory or acknowledgment or public reward. But it lies there before us, the first fearful and questioning stone on the pathway to the liberation of mankind. True populist politics could give us a quarter turn in the right direction. Genuine socialism could put us on the approximate path to justice. Eco-politics cannot save us from the inevitable, but at least it can teach us to deal with our limitations as a species upon this earth. But one begins the journey at the start of the path, not the promised land at its end. Can we quit talking and start walking now?

~Joe Bageant, May 2007


- We may laugh at the ignorant 'ol Teabaggers until the cows come home. But we're all sinking in the same boat......
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 02:28 AM
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23. Perhaps we should write the house leadership on the first of each month as well as your republican
member(s) of congress and send a copy to your local newspaper asking the following: Where are the jobs? A few thousand of those each month might get some press attention.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 03:15 AM
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27. I had heard that WI would create 250,000 jobs by 2014 if Walker did nothing.
Of course, doing nothing presupposes not do anything to send jobs out of the state either.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 04:13 AM
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29. Just like DUH-hio. The only jobs Kasich the Fascist is doling out is to his white Republicronies.
All I see the guy doing is laying people off and not replacing them, pretty much like a corporate failure CEO would.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 05:02 AM
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30. yeah, but green bay is in the super bowl, so who cares? nt
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 07:07 AM
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31. Killed the high speed rail project which would have brought in jobs
both now and later. Not a smart guy.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 08:32 AM
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33. The trick is to say that the "free market" will create jobs and then say that there are
way too many regulations, so the market isn't free.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 08:41 AM
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35. The Republicans' Motto Is Based on Otto's Quote from the movie, "Animal House"
"Hey, you fucked up. You trusted us."
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:21 AM
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36. a "trick question."
Yeah.... those "yes" or "no" questions are tricky!
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:38 AM
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38. It's that darn "gotcha media" again.
:eyes:
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DallasNE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:28 AM
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37. Since His Election
Polaris has announced that it is closing its Wisconsin plant and moving the jobs to Mexico. That should count for something. Oops, that would be negative jobs. Go figure.
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Buenaventura Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 10:45 AM
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44. wisconsin is bleeding jobs under scott walker!
from milwaukee to superior, platteville to green bay - businesses are closing and people are leaving. the reason that "wisconsin is open for business" is that there are so many empty offices and factories.
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