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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:11 PM
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I Repeat: Cowboy Diplomacy Is Over
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2011/01/31/i-repeat-cowboy-... /

Peoples opinions on Egyptian-American relations seem to be all over the place. On one hand, conservatives are in spots complaining that Obama is not doing enough (as if he takes vacations like Bush) or that hes part of a secret plot to support the Muslim brotherhood (no, really). Liberals, and some on the right, have also complained that the U.S. hasnt given full-throated support to those rebelling against the Egyptian government.

We cant do this for numerous reasons. Most importantly, the best way to give an autocratic ruler in the middle east carte blanche to put down an uprising would be to give it the full support of the U.S. government. In a region that is reflexively anti-American (sometimes with very good reason) the best way to demonize a movement would be to give it American backing.


Oliver Willis makes sense.

Sid

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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:13 PM
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1. Thank you
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 03:19 PM by dipsydoodle
Tonto. :)

and :hi:
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:14 PM
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2. "The triviality of US Mideast policy"...Robert Grenier, opinion piece on Al Jazeera:

US Mideast policy has been irrelevant and fails to accommodate the current movement that is sweeping across the region.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/01/20...
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:14 PM
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3. We can thank our lucky stars that it is over.
Or we'd be invading by now.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:15 PM
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4. The Iran history is also important.

- Installing the Shah of Iran resulted in an anti-US state when the Shah was ousted
- Bush declaring Iran as part of the axis of evil resulted in Amadinnerjacket
- Supporting the Iranian people against Amadinnerjacket did not help
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:17 PM
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6. Yes, and this Administration has learned that lesson. nt
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:16 PM
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5. I'm afraid nuance and diplomacy are lost on a lot of people.
+1
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:41 PM
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11. There is little nuance in accepting that our partner in torture and rendition
is at this moment in line to replace Mubarak or that Clinton is still insisting that her "friend of the family" be included in the transition.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:54 PM
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13. "is at this moment in line to replace Mubarak"
And will quickly fly right out the window as soon as Mubarak is gone. I'm pretty sure US foreign policy will not be determined by Clinton's dinner guest list.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:17 PM
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7. The people's rebellion needs to remain the property of the people.
It can't be "Rebellion in Egypt, Sponsored By USA Brand Snacks".
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:19 PM
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8. Yes he does
Rec
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:20 PM
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9. Straw man. Actually, straw men.
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 03:31 PM by EFerrari
Do you seriously believe the Egyptian people don't know who has been appointed VP to take over for Mubarak?

That's pretty insulting.

/spelling
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:41 PM
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10. We supposedly wanted a grown-up for president
Now that we have one, some folks want to go back to the childlike antics that we endured for eight years.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:46 PM
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12. Thanks for this...
I was beginning to think I was the only one seeing cheers for cowboy boots and saber rattling! What the hell is up with that?

Maybe we haven't seen real diplomacy in so long that a lot of people forget what it looks like?

Obama and Clinton are spot on in their reactions, IMHO. Anything more is BushCo all over again.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 04:24 PM
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14. YES! nt
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 04:31 PM
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15. UnRec. What an insulting pukefest of an anti-working class article
while many of those protesting the government may have their hearts in the right place they could just as easily turn out to install an Islamic Republic like weve seen in Iran.


Why doesn't he just say: "and, and bless their hearts, BUT..."

:puke:

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Itchinjim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 04:50 PM
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16. Kicked and Rec'ed
Itchinjim
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:01 PM
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17. Heh heh -- huh?
Hope GWB gets the memo, even if it's a few years too late!
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RegieRocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:02 PM
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18. Firing six shooter into the air!!!!!!
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:46 PM
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19. Recommended. nt
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