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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-15-13 06:37 AM
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Money doesn't equal free-speech.
It just doesn't.

When a citizen has one billion dollars at their disposal to spend on massaging public opinion they have far more influence than the citizen with mere pennies to spend. The wealthy and corporations speak with a bullhorn. The average citizen is only heard in a whisper. There is no way the founders would have seen this as fair representation.

Yes, groups of citizens with pennies can have an impact. But groups of citizens with billions can have an overwhelming influence. And that is where we find ourselves today. Such is the state of democracy in the US. Look at the results. You are seeing it right before your eyes. Like what you see?

Don't you find it a bit odd that the President would see the fairness doctrine as some artifice from a bygone era? Many actions by the President are beyond curious to me.

Plutocrats have had control throughout much of US history. But they were a different brand of plutocrat. In the 20th Century the plutocrats lost much of their control. You know the history. In the 20th Century millions of citizens were finally allowed to participate in the democratic process. The constitution is a living document. Only Scalia-like neanderthals claim that it is not.

What has transformed this modern brand of plutocrat into the criminal greedy fucks we see today? They have no sense of patriotism. If they did, they would believe in preserving our representative democracy.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-15-13 04:34 PM
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1. I find it odd that the President would put the final nail in the coffin of the
Edited on Tue Oct-15-13 04:39 PM by No Elephants
Fairness Doctrine, yes. But, then again, I also found his cooperation with privatization of the US Postal Service odd. And so many other things.

About money in politics,

A Democratic Congress passed some campaign finance restrictions. Ford vetoed. Democrats overrode his veto. So far, so good.

But then,

A lawsuit was filed in the District Court for the D.C., on January 2, 1975, by Senator James L. Buckley of New York, former Senator, 1968 presidential candidate Eugene McCarthy of Minnesota, and others.

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They argued that the legislation was in violation of the 1st and 5th Amendment rights to freedom of expression and due process, respectively.




Buckley was a Republican who had switched parties--to the Conservative Party. McCarthy was, of course, a Democrat. So, politicians of both the largest political parties in the country were of one mind about this lawsuit.

Several provisions of the campaign finance laws were struck down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckley_v._Valeo


The other right given (or affirmed) by Citizens' United was the right to remain anonymous. The SCOTUS first articulated that First Amendment right in NAACP v. Button, when law enforcement was demanding that the NAACP turn over its membership list. The SCOTUS used the Button doctrine to say that Citizens United did not have to disclose its donors. Funny, huh, how a rule can seem so right and so just in one case and so foul in another?



I could not agree with you more that elections are being bought and they should not be bought.

I don't know what you mean by plutocrats are different now.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-16-13 06:26 AM
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2. I think most of the plutocrats of yesterday had a sense
of nation and duty to the nation, to an extent. Depending on the individual. Today they only see the US as a resource to exploit and a series of laws to manipulate or get around.
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