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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-13 12:03 PM
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Israel's Netanyahu rival moots center-left alliance for
Israel's Netanyahu rival moots center-left alliance for election
By Dan Williams

JERUSALEM | Sat Jan 5, 2013 9:15am EST

(Reuters) - Israel's main center-left parties may join forces against conservative Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the January 22 election that he is currently forecast to win easily, one of the challengers said on Saturday.

Former foreign minister Tzipi Livni, head of the centrist Hatenuah party, said on Twitter ? that she would meet counterparts from the kindred Yesh Atid and left-leaning Labour "to discuss the creation of a 'united front' to work together to replace Netanyahu".

Opinion polls see the three parties taking around 37 of parliament's 120 seats in the vote - collectively, enough to best the some 35 projected for Netanyahu's joint rightist list and, potentially, to form the next Israeli coalition government.

Netanyahu is a two-term premier who takes credit for the relative stability of the Israeli economy and appeals to the Jewish state's burgeoning religious-nationalist sectors by championing the settlement of occupied land. He has sounded hawkish on the Palestinians and Iran but avoided big conflicts.



Long story at http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/05/us-israel-ele...

Sigh. Left of center in the U.S. seems to do a lot better at splintering than at uniting.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-13 11:30 AM
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1. "Left of center in the U.S. seems to do a lot better at splintering than at uniting."
How so, No Elephants? There isn't much of a "left" left. And we don't have anyone to unite with. Labor has systematically been destroyed. IMHO, Israel is much more liberal than the U.S.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-13 03:48 AM
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2. IMO, the left is very much in existence.
Edited on Mon Jan-07-13 04:21 AM by No Elephants
However, there is a concerted effort most of time to give the impression that no one is further left than Obama. For the right's part, it pretends that he is the furthest left it is humanly possible to be. For the part of the media, Democratic strategists, etc., they pretent, most of the time, that the left is a monolith, aligned behind Obama.

When they deviate from that myth, its to say that those to the left of Obama are small in number and borderline certifiable or, as White House folk put it "retards," "on drugs," etc. However, it they did not see the left as a threat, why would they attempt to degrade and demean the left? Why pay posters to demean the left on message boards?There is, as you say, labor. Yes, it has been weakened. All the more reason to unite with other like-minded folk.

Another time they deviate from it is when they think it will help Obama in some negotiation, as in "Well, sure, the Tea Party is putting pressure on Boehner, but, don't forget, Obama is under pressure from the Democratic left, too."

I remember a while back, a DUer asked for liberals to weigh in if they were still here--and that was after many had been banned or gotten bullied until they left of their own volition. As I recall, it was pretty clear that he was not talking about the usual loyalists.

About 300 posters weighed in. To be honest, that suprised even me, after all the board bullying that had gone on.

Back to splintering.

There is, as you say, organized labor. Yes, it has been weakened, but it is still a significant group. And the blows it has sustained are all the more reason for it to unite with other left of center folk,


There are people who claim to be "Libertarians from the left," though, to be candid, they seem to me preety much like all other Libertarians.

There are the Greens.

There are Democratic Socialists.

There are several other political parties whose names include the word "Socialist," meaning not even all the Socialists can unite with each other--perfect example of the left's self-defeating addiction to splintering, IMO.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_...

There are Communists.


There is the Working Families Party (which may be Democratic-sponsored because its recommendation was to vote Democratic, but under the Working Families ticket, supposedly to show Democrats the voting power of working families0.

:wtf: Like anyone cares which column the votes that re-elected them were in.

Then there are a very large number of Democrats who claimed to be well to Obama's left, but who voted for him because they see no other choice that feels safe to them.

So, what happened 2011-2012, when most or all of the above were feeling betrayed and sold out? Did they all unite with each other and mount a strong challenge that could not be ignored? No. Instead, some of them formed yet another political party, the Justice Party, as if the vote of the left was not already too diluted.


If there is a hair's worth of difference between us, let's not compromise a whit so we can unite go for the greater good because there is strength in numbers. Let's just form the Hair's Worth of Difference Party and start reinventing the frickin' wheel until we wither away from lack of number and lack of momey.




Even aside from people who self-identify as to the left of Obama, over 70% of all Americans, Democratic, Republican, indie and third party, wanted a public option, even as Obama was calling it nothing, a mere sliver. Over 60% of all Americans oppose cuts to Social Security and Medicare. And so on.

If you poll on an idea without labeling as liberal--a term Republicans and Democrats alike have tried their best to make toxic--Americans in general do poll liberal. But no one wants to admit that or to harness the left. Both major Parties would rather keep insisting that the U.S. is a center right nation. That's because both major parties want a center right nation.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-13 05:06 AM
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3. Excellent post, young lady.
I guess I should have qualified that as "organized left".

But you got to the heart of it. "They" do feel threatened by the leftish nature of the nation. That is why they do everything in their power to shove us rightward. They are going to ridiculous lengths to achieve this. But the Obama is a socialist/communist meme is the perfect example. Most of the nation is to the left of Obama but according the the right wing pundits there is no further left than Obama.

I remember the Rachel Maddow program where she explained how the American people were "left" when polled on the issues. She was so effective that I copied this to preserve as a reminder of where the nation's sentiments actually lie.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-13 08:52 AM
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4. Thanks much, young fella.
Who you calling a lady?

After I wrote that long post, it occurred to me that you might not see it, given your My DU is not working.



Two caveats to my post--and to Maddow's chart.

One, I repeat, because it cannot be emphasized enough, for that people have to be polled by idea, without any labels as to whether it is Democratic or Republican, liberal or conservative, etc.

Two, people have to be polled on an issue before it becomes a subject of a propaganda war. Republicans/media will do their best to convince people that they don't really want what they really want.

For their part, Democrats will do absolutely nothing to cut back against that. In fact, they might help the propaganda war effort as much as they can because they don't want a liberal nation anymore than do Republicans.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-13 11:02 AM
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5. I know exactly what you mean.
They don't want a liberal nation anymore than do Republicans. And this is what pisses me off.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-13 12:45 AM
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6. There was an important op-ed in WaPo about this, but
WaPo does not preserve any record of their op-eds by non-regular columnists, meaning they don't publish any liberal opinions online since their only liberal op-eds are by guest writers (except for Steven Pearlstein and like one other liberal who hasn't been fired.)
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