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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-12 09:58 PM
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Ukip: the party that's coming in from the cold
It was written off by David Cameron as a party of 'fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists'. So why is Ukip suddenly becoming a political force to contend with?



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Ukip: the party that's coming in from the cold

It was written off by David Cameron as a party of 'fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists'. So why is Ukip suddenly becoming a political force to contend with?

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John Harris
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The Guardian, Monday 26 November 2012 20.00 GMT
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Nigel Farage, leader of Ukip, 2009
Nigel Farage: the former Tory first became leader of Ukip in 2006. Photograph: Toby Melville/Reuters

In the long slipstream of this year's party conference season, British politics seems to have gone strangely quiet. But listen closely, and under the sound of all that rain, you can make out something very interesting: the metaphorical forces politicians usually call "tectonic plates", shifting in ways that, three or four years ago, no one would have predicted. This winter's biggest political story, in fact, may turn out not to be focused on the Conservatives, Labour or the Lib Dems, but an organisation that until recently was routinely condemned to the fringes, or smirked about as a collection of eccentrics and oddballs.

But there it is: the UK Independence party, which has spent well over a year regularly scoring at least 6% or 7% in the polls, and often climbing as high as 11%, thus relegating the poor old Lib Dems to fourth place. At last week's Corby byelection, the party managed an impressive 14.3%, its highest-ever share of the poll in any such contest. That day, there was also a byelection in the seat of Cardiff South and Penarth, where it managed 6.1% not nearly as convincing, but still its highest share in any Welsh election. And in the same day's somewhat shambolic elections for police and crime commissioners, Ukip's share of the vote per candidate once again put it ahead of Nick Clegg's lot.

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Yesterday, the Tory MP and party vice-chairman Michael Fabricant published a report titled The Pact, in which he advocates an electoral deal between the Conservatives and Ukip, on the basis of a referendum on Britain's EU membership, and a place in a future Tory cabinet for the Ukip leader Nigel Farage.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/nov/26/ukip-par...

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-12 10:24 PM
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1. "a party of 'fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists'" coming from a centrist.
Edited on Tue Nov-27-12 10:30 PM by No Elephants
If this is the trend of the future, I am glad I won't live forever.

Maybe I'll even take up smoking.


ETA: Thing is, when government hurts the 99% and people get desperate, very bad things happen in politics.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-12 05:18 AM
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2. I am sick of assholes. Seriously. "Closet racists"
Read Ken Follet's Winter of the World on the rise of Fascism in the 20th Century. Better yet read Follet's Fall of Giants then read Winter of the World. We are headed for a very bad place. Some of the assholes are no longer trying to hide where they want to take us. The main difference--they don't wear uniforms and march in ranks.

"The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater."

Frank Zappa
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-12 09:51 AM
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3. More and more of us are seeing the brick wall. What we lack is knowledge of what
Edited on Wed Nov-28-12 09:56 AM by No Elephants
to do about it.

And the majority (of both sides) are still hung up in "tribal politics."

It was pretty much laid out in 1934, in Orwell's 1984, wasn't it? The flea in the ointment there, though, was that Republicans thought the big government Commie Democrats were the problem, while Democrats thought the problem was the doublespeaking, doublethinking neo-Nazi Republicans.

Joke's on all of us.

But, it isn't the least bit funny.
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