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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-12 01:12 PM
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Catholic Bishops to investigate Girl Scouts' ties to groups that support family planning.
Edited on Thu May-17-12 01:13 PM by madfloridian
From the New York Times:

Bishops Group to Investigate Girl Scouts

The Girl Scouts are facing an official inquiry by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. At issue are concerns about program materials that some Catholics find offensive, and assertions that the Scouts associate with groups espousing stances in conflict with church teaching. The Scouts, who have parish-sponsored troops, deny many of the claims and defend their alliances. The inquiry will be conducted by the bishops Committee on Laity, Marriage, Family Life and Youth. It will look into the Scouts possible problematic relationships and problematic program materials, according to a letter from the committee chairman, Bishop Kevin Rhoades of Fort Wayne, Ind., to fellow bishops. Critics contend that Scouts materials should not contain links to groups like Doctors Without Borders, the Sierra Club and Oxfam because they support family planning or emergency contraception.


There is an interesting twist on that today at Religion Dispatches.

If the Girl Scouts Investigated the Bishops...

After all, that committee includes the Most Rev. Salvatore J. Cordileone, Bishop of Oakland, who publicly bemoaned the fact that former Harvard president Lawrence Summers was excoriated for suggesting that women tend to have less aptitude for science and math. Why, asked Cordileone, didn't he have a right to say something which is a perfectly legitimate observation?

..."Also on the committee is Most Rev. George Rassas. In 2008, Cardinal Francis George, Archbishop of Chicago, said in a deposition that Rassas had withheld information about abuse allegations.

These are two of the people who will be seeing whether Girl Scouts USA meets the appropriate standards for a Catholic organizational partner. In light of this, why not ask whether the Committee on Laity, Marriage, Family Life, and Youth meet Girl Scouts USAs standards, rather than just the other way around?


In 2009 the Catholic Bishop's group had injected itself into party politics so much that a reporter from the Chicago Tribune had a warning for Obama and other politicians.

Chicago Sun Times: Obama can't let bishops set U.S. policy

Catholic bishops have every right to speak their mind and preach the church's teaching. But they are engaging in outright political lobbying. Helping to write legislation that turns Catholic doctrine into law. Attempting to blackmail U.S. Rep. Patrick Kennedy of Rhode Island by denying him Communion unless he comes around. Violating the separation of church and state.

When bishops lobby legislators, they should be required to do what all tax-exempt 501(c)3 groups have to do. Create a parallel political organization and pay taxes on the contributions they receive. And fully disclose, like every other lobbying organization -- corporate or charitable -- what they take in and what they spend to advance positions they advocate.

.."As a woman and a taxpayer, I rebel against the notion that a group of men more obsessed with our wombs than other significant life-and-death issues -- war, poverty, pestilence -- are given favored tax treatment in order to reduce a woman's freedom of choice.


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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-12 06:14 PM
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1. "As a woman and a taxpayer, I rebel against the notion that a group
of men more obsessed with our wombs"...I've felt that way since before I had my first job, and they're getting worse as the decades roll on.

What do they know about marriage, relationships, and no I'm not referring to the criminal pedophiles and their enablers, oh wait maybe some of those who don't take celibacy seriously might know a thing or two about relationships http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/05/activist-priest-is...
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-12 02:33 AM
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2. I do not choose to be Catholic. Laws that require me to adhere to Catholic doctrine
violate MY freedom to choose my own religion or, if I choose, to be free from all religion.

That is the real war on religious freedom in the United States.


And, guess who has been losing the war against religion that exists in reality, as opposed to a religious war occurring only in the minds of those who equate a blinged out dead tree with any Biblical religion or public prayer with Christianity.



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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-12 08:28 AM
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3. Re trees and praying, from the King James Version
Trees

Jeremiah 10:1-4

1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2 thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.


Sounds to me as though keeping blinged out dead trees out of government places may be separation of church and state or a war on paganism, but definitely not a war on Christ or Christmas.

The Puritans, etc. did not even believe in celebrating Christmas at all (though, as the colonies matured, some inhabitants sneakily extended their "Thanksgiving" celebration).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_in_Puritan_New_E...

(FYI: If you drop by Paul Revere's home on the first Saturday in December, you will be able to help yourself to some enjoyable colonial baked goodies and some very pleasant warm cider, but you will see no visible sign of the Christmas season per se. However, there may be a guilty pleasure orange or two on the family's dining table, a very big treat in Boston in December in Revere's day and therefore a subtle sign of a very special occasion.)

I doubt that the Puritans or Paul Revere or any of the Sons of Liberty were warring on Christ, Christ's birth or Christianity, though.



Praying--WWJD? Words that the Bible attributes to Jesus:

Matthew 6:5-6

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.




(Of course, at that time, Christian churchs had not yet come into existence. So, IMO, the admonition is only about synagogues, but I am no thelogian.)
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-12 08:59 AM
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4. I don't think religions are banned from lobbying.
Edited on Fri May-18-12 09:01 AM by No Elephants
AFAIK, they don't even get in danger of losing their tax exempt status unless they campaign for specific candidates or Parties by name.

If they simply say, "Don't vote for anyone who is pro-abortion" or something like that, in 9 out of ten cases, they may as well be saying, "Don't vote for any Democratic candidates." (I don't know if that is necessarily the case in places like Kentucky or Michigan (Bart Stupak leaps to mind), but that has been true in the Northeast.)

However, even when they name names, they rarely get caught OR lose their tax exempt status if they are caught.

It's disgusting and rarely benefits anyone but Republicans.

Let's wait for the Democrats to change that, though.
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-12 04:39 PM
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5. Maybe the Girl Scounts should investigates the Catholic bishops' ties to ...
Edited on Fri May-18-12 04:40 PM by dtexdem
pedophiles.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-12 07:14 PM
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6. Uh huh...
just sayin'.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-12 05:49 PM
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7. OMG...this stuff from Catholic Church is getting More OTT...!
Edited on Sat May-19-12 05:53 PM by KoKo
What is wrong with them.

BTW.. CAVEAT.. I'm an Episcopalian with a Partner for Life (such as life exists) who is a "Fallen Away Catholic"....so it's interesting why this Pope keeps pushing this stuff. Epicopalians have a loose tie to Catholic Church due to our Bishops...and the "Hands On Rights of Succession" which we have to "agree to" when we are confirmed...

BUT, OMGOSH...no wonder Organized Religions are loosing folks and the FUNDIES ARE GAINING.

GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND GET OUT THERE...YOU PROTESTANT REFORMIST

I am NOT anti-Catholic...but, given I'm the Religion of the Renaissance/Reform and break away but love the mystery/music and tradition of the Catholic Church...I URGE IMMEDIATE REFORM and THROWING OUT THE CURRENT POPE who seems so CONSERVATIVE he's like the SOUTHERN BAPTISTS in his views on FEMALES, RACE and MINORITIES...along with HIS VIES ON FEMALE REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM AND RIGHT TO CHOOSE!

This Pope seems to be like a SLAVE MASTER! WHY? WHY is he still POPULAR?

:shrug:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-12 08:29 PM
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8. Well Damn, A Group Of Men In Long Dresses
Edited on Sat May-19-12 08:30 PM by Me.
Think they should tell women what to do and when
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