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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-12 03:14 AM
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Report: Zimmerman had broken nose (and other injuries)
Report: Zimmerman had broken nose

Published: May 16, 2012 at 3:00 AM

SANFORD, Fla., May 16 (UPI) -- George Zimmerman had a broken nose, two black eyes and two cuts on his scalp the day after he killed Florida teen Trayvon Martin, medical records indicate.

He also had a minor back injury, the medical records obtained by ABC News indicate.


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By law, the prosecution must also provide the evidence to the media, but State Attorney Angela Corey's office said it needed time to review the records and black out sensitive information.

A neighbor told ABC News he saw Zimmerman talk with police outside his home the day after the shooting. The neighbor said he recalled seeing black eyes and significant swelling -- as well as a bandage over Zimmerman's nose.

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Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/05/16/Report-Zimmer...

And an autopsy showed Martin had broken skin on his knuckles.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-12 06:08 AM
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1. Heard on the Today Show this am that this was a report prepared by the family doctor the day after
the shooting.

Right after the shooting, Zimmerman declined medical care.

The day after the shooting is not exactly conclusive as to what happened BEFORe the shooting.

However, I doubt there will be a conviction.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-12 06:18 AM
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2. This morning on the Today Show, I heard that there was ONE abrasion on ONE of
Martin's fingers, in the ring area, about one quarter of an inch. (I did not hear if a ring had been on his finger when he was found or not.) That sounds a lot different from wounds on his fingers.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-12 11:51 PM
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5. Zimmerman's version will come out in court. Martin's version will not.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-12 01:20 AM
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7. you "hope" Zimmerman will walk for blowing a hole in the teen's heart?
Edited on Sat May-19-12 01:24 AM by Divine Discontent
George is the one who ignored 911 directives and still got out of his vehicle with a loaded weapon to confront a teen doing no wrong, who he deems was "up to no good", who was clearly profiled because he was black (like all the others he's called on).

He is no stranger to violence - as he also assaulted a police officer in 2005 and resisted arrest, and it was just released that Zimmerman also bullied a coworker about his race, and after repeatedly calling HR at his job so much after the Middle-Eastern guy complained, they fired George.


Zimmerman was reported by his neighbors also in the weeks before the murder for his strong-arm tactics towards them. See here -> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/12/george-zimmerm...


He was a serial "phone call" zealot, obviously.

Seems you ought to be complaining as fervently about George's parents as you have in this and other threads about the Martins. The Zimmerman's sure didn't raise a winner, and again, this guy was nearly 30, whereas the guy he confronted with candy, was just 17. Neither person involved were clean as the driven snow, but one was supposed to be more mature than the other, and certainly, being a wannabe cop, you'd think he would have listened to an order from the 911 operator just seconds before getting out of his vehicle with a loaded weapon, and let the cops do their work (but he liked playing cop).

"At an emergency homeowners association meeting on March 1, one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home, the resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch captain role."

The Sanford detective wrote in the evidence that Zimmerman was the one - not Trayvon - who could have avoided this murder if he had just listened to the 911 operator.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-12 06:45 AM
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8. Lbrtbell provides a viewpoint that has not appeared at DU2 often
since DU3 began.






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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-12 01:26 PM
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11. yeah. been seeing that. eveyrone's entitled to their own opinions, I respect that.
but to ignore the wrongs of an adult male, and his sordid past and bullying behavior, seems a bit questionable.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-12 06:53 AM
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9. Gee, I would never have to thought to blame the parents for allowing a 17 yr old to go to a nearby
Edited on Sat May-19-12 06:55 AM by No Elephants
convenience store to buy something his kid brother wanted.

Maybe that's because it's hard for me to see what the convenience store has to do with it, given he was killed by his dad's neighbor on the private property of his father's homeowners' association.

I bet if Trayvon and his parents could turn back time, they would not have let Trayvon pull George Zimmerman out of his own car and force Zimmerman to follow Martin after the police told Zimmerman to stay put.

Maybe Zimmerman's parents should have started keeping Zimmerman at home after he called 911 about a suspicious character whom immerman himself described as an African American male appearing to be between 7 and 9 years of age.

Brutal beating? How does that remotely compare with being shot dead at 17?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-12 01:21 PM
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10. the prefacing of this situation that the teen shouldn't have been out so late going to the store is
ludicrous.

Sanford is a smallish kinda town a half hour away from Orlando, it's not Miami where the teen was used to living. I don't get why so many people seem to think he shouldn't have been out walking to a gas station. As I said, this isn't Mogadishu, it's Sanford, FL.

He was rightfully visiting the home of his father's fiance, and yet, people have repeatedly said, "he was in a neighborhood he shouldn't have been". There's hate speech on the Orlando sentinel website right now about how this "n" was in a place he shouldn't have went. Ugh. It's sad that anyone would go this route to discuss his murder, as if being out at around dinner time is a horrible choice, and daring to walk in a Florida neighborhood that his relatives lived was just asking for trouble. They make that area sound like a war zone. Funny, I don't hear about regular murders going on in that area of Sanford.

Again, if this was a white 17 yr old, there wouldn't be any talk about him being out too late, or being in the wrong for walking around his father's neighborhood buying tea and candy.

I understand, the crazy-eyed Zimmerman had a phone fetish and loved to play cop with people even though he didn't call 911 after killing Trayvon, and he was tired and fed up with anger about the criminals "always getting away", as he told the 911 operator before killing Martin and standing over his quickly dying body, and not attempting anything to save him that we know of, and George finally got one of them criminals! Yessiree! That's why his defense fund has raised over a quarter of a million dollars already. People disgusted over the crime they see daily, feeling as if a guy finally stopped one of them criminals... What a sick justification for this teen's murder.

I have read the crime rates about Black teens and I understand and appreciate why there's frustration, fully, but this clearly went overboard when GZ chose in anger to get out with a loaded weapon to confront a teen walking who was frightened already for being followed - it's the recipe for disaster, and the one to pay the price was the unarmed teen who wasn't committing any known crime, and for that, GZ who ignored the 911 operator, deserves some type of charges that resulted in the teen's death.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-12 08:07 AM
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12. +1
Edited on Sun May-20-12 08:12 AM by No Elephants
I don't know who started what or who is guilty of what.

Given Zimmerman's history and his having ignored advice from the police to NOT follow Trayvon, I personally believe that Zimmerman started whatever occurred.

And, I feel that I will probably believe that, no matter what happens in court. (The verdict did not change my mind about O.J. Simpson and I doubt it will change my mind about Zimmerman.)

I think too, that, right or wrong, people forget how provocative it is to demand that a member of a minority group explain himself. That applies to any minority group, but especially African Americans.

It goes back to the day when anyone but a fellow African American felt free to demand at any time, "What are doing here, boy?" even if there was no apparent reason to do so. And, no matter what the facts were or the response was, a beating or lynching might follow. And no one would be held to account for it. Hell, maybe law enforcement participated.

So, there is a history involved be it when Officer Jim Crow demands an explanation from Professor Gates in Professor Gates's own home or when Zimmerman demands an explanation from a teen bringing Skittles to his step brother.

"Brutal beating" vs. dead at 17 for no reason at the hands of someone who calls 911 when he sees an African American who appears to be between the ages of --wait for it---7 and 9?

Yeah, I think I'll probably side with Martin, no matter what the verdict is.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-12 10:31 PM
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4. I'll wait until it goes to court.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-12 11:53 PM
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6. Good policy.
Then again, court is not a guaranty of the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, either. Especially when one of two key witnesses is dead.

But, selectively leaked info is not a good basis for a conclusion.
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