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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 04:29 PM
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GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected
Apparently the Greene Co. republican committee publishes a newsletter every month and in March the editor, Ponch McPhee wrote this. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/gop-newsletter-ca...

How do these nuts get away with calling for an armed revolution?

Ponch does seem delusional to me, but calling for an armed revolution if they don't get the results that he thinks they all want at the ballot box?!!
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 05:12 PM
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1. Wonder How Much Scrutiny These Wingnuts Are Receiving?
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 05:27 PM
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2. I wish that I knew.
This guy is a lunatic, but calling for armed revolution is out of bounds isn't it?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 05:55 PM
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3. Can't be much if Ted Nugent got away with nothing more than being interviewed.
Clearly, the man is off his rocker and has threatened Obama and other Democrats many times.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 06:11 PM
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5. This is what I don't understand...
Edited on Wed May-09-12 06:20 PM by tnlefty
Hal Turner received 3 years in jail for blog posts that he made threatening judges. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/13/hal-turner-gui...

Here's another link about it from Raw Story http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/08/14/fbis-white-suprem... /

Nugent's comments about sitting senators and a sitting president don't really seem all that different to me.

I thought that calling for armed revolution was a big no-no.

ETA: when I have time I'll try to look for more info., but IIRC the Southern Poverty Law Center had been tracking Turner for quite a while.

ETA: I found this which is more recent but as I have time I'll try to look through the site to try to refresh my memory about how long they've had an eye on him. http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-file...
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 07:22 PM
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8. Given our own history, outlawing calling for an armed revolution is
at least a little ironic.

If people had not done that, we would still be colonies.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 10:49 PM
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9. 'We' are no longer colonies, and the collective 'we' also endured
a civil war, most uncivil, IMHO, I thought that in modern years talk of an armed revolution was out of bounds.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-12 01:39 AM
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10. Secession is different from revolution.
Edited on Thu May-10-12 01:58 AM by No Elephants
Secession is the act of a state and can be done by a vote. The violent part would come in if the body seceded from refuses to allow the secession.

In adopting the Constitution, the colonies agreed to be a union. Territories entering the union, I believe, agreed not to secede. (Texas is an exception, but I forgot the details.)

Individuals in the U.S. never agreed not to revolt, so I don't know if not being colonies anymore makes a difference with revolution, as it does with secession. The issue would be being oppressed by government.

Of course, the colonials revolted supposedly because they were taxed without having a say in government. Whether our "say" in a government that taxes is us real or an illusion is, I think, debatable these days.

Armed revolution is forbidden by law, as is urging armed revolution.

I believe the famous line about {falsely} shouting "fire" in a crowded theater applies when determining if the law prohibiting sedition violates free speech rights.

Still, I do think a ban on urging revolution is ironic, given our own history. Not saying if it is right or wrong, just saying it's ironic.

Our biggest national heroes engaged in that "crime."

Our freedom of the press clause was in part a reaction to the treatment of Peter Zenger, who was tried for seditious libel. Peter Zenger is one of our national heroes.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 06:12 PM
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6. So He Says
Who really knows as the Service isn't in the habit of revealing the results of investigations. And as Nugent has a history of being a big fat liar I would doubt anything he says.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-12 05:42 AM
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11. Good point, but will be charged with something at some point?
If not, isn't just words?
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-12 07:31 AM
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13. Not Enough THere To Charge Him With
Being a gasbag and blowhard is not a crime in this country but I'd be very surprised if he hadn't been given a warning about incitement
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-12 01:24 AM
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19. A warning is still just talk. And I am not sure there was not enough to charge him.
Edited on Fri May-11-12 01:26 AM by No Elephants
Over the years, he's done a lot of inciting and threatening. I'd be surprised if he hasn't violated something n the Patriot Act or some law about threatening the President.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 05:57 PM
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4. This is not a new tactic. In 2010, we heard a lot about "Second Amendment remedies"
if people were not happy with the way things went at the ballot box.

A bunch of lunatics, they are.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 06:13 PM
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7. True and that was disgusting enough, but I thought that calling
for an armed revolution was slightly different.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-12 05:45 AM
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12. Who knows what "second amendment remedies" for losing at the ballot box are?
The people urging that were not specific.

I think all we know for certain is that it was something that involved guns and violence.

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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-12 07:01 PM
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18. Their 2nd Amendment Remedies is really not that knew
In 1988, former Reagan appointee was talking about using the cartridge box if the ballot failed
They've been using this rhetoric for so long that it's becoming difficult to prosecute they can claim it's all rhetoric and nothing more
It also doesn't help that the airwaves are saturated with people like Limbaugh who on his radio show hoped for the military to do the same here that they did in Honduras or Savage who just spews violence as the solution anytime he doesn't get his way

100 years ago, they'd all be in jail or at the least been shunned by most of society
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-12 01:29 AM
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20. It's all rhetoric until someone picks up a gun and acts on it--and people have.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-12 02:18 PM
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14. Take away their guns.
Or at least stop selling them ammunition by the ton! x(
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-12 04:36 PM
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16. I say smack'em upside the head with a clue X 4
in the form of a visit from the Secret Service and/or FBI agents asking, 'exactly what did you mean by what you wrote.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-12 03:41 PM
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15. Racist asscarrots!
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-12 04:40 PM
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17. With a large dose of stupid thrown in.
From what I could stomach to read I couldn't say that race has everything to do with 'cause there's a lot of stupid thrown in with it.

That little bug-like character of yours still has me reaching toward my screen to swat at it until I remember... :blush:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-12 01:32 AM
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21. I don't think it's only race. It's partisanship gone nuts.
White Democrats are included as often as Democrats of color.

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