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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 01:08 PM
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President Obama backs full civil rights for Gay Americans; backs Gay Marriage
Edited on Wed May-09-12 02:08 PM by Divine Discontent
http://gma.yahoo.com/obama-announces-his-support-for-sa...
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President Obama today announced that he now supports same-sex marriage, reversing his longstanding opposition amid growing pressure from the Democratic base and even his own vice president.
In an interview with ABC News Robin Roberts, the president described his thought process as an evolution that led him to this place, based on conversations with his own staff members, openly gay and lesbian service members, and conversations with his wife and own daughters.

"I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don't Ask Don't Tell is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point Ive just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married, Obama told Roberts, in an interview to appear on ABCs Good Morning America Thursday. Excerpts of the interview will air tonight on ABCs World News with Diane Sawyer.

The president stressed that this is a personal position, and that he still supports the concept of states deciding the issue on their own. But he said hes confident that more Americans will grow comfortable with gays and lesbians getting married, citing his own daughters comfort with the concept.


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Thank you, Pres. Obama. Especially considering the thumping Civil Rights just took a thumping in NC, a state that Pres. Obama won in 2008.



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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 02:17 PM
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1. so excited to share the news I repeated my wording. ha. anyhow, how is this gonna play out, now!?
Edited on Wed May-09-12 02:17 PM by Divine Discontent
HUGE news... so proud of him for doing this with just 5 or so months to go before his election! what a rather brave action! :applause:



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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 02:18 PM
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2. Not sure why he did not say this Monday. But, he says it's up to the states.
I think NC was the 30th state to ban same gender marriage.

And how can it be up to the states when DOMA is still federal law?

Bottom line, though, a President's saying this is very important.

And, a President's saying this while in the heat of a re-election campaign is brave.

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 02:21 PM
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3. yeah, not sure the reason for the delay. probably talked it over and over with staff
he probably/possibly saw the thumping in the polls that civil rights was going to take, and just decided to go ahead and say he was for it. Politically, very surprising. Some polls have just under half of people supporting Gay Marriage, and it's a hot button issue with those who don't support it, so it makes his actions for Gay rights while in office, immensely impressive now!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 02:45 PM
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4. I see we were posting very similar things at almost the same second.
Here's what I would have said, if I were an advisor.

Anyone who is going to vote against Obama strictly because of this issue is voting for someone else anyway.

On the other hand, if Obama continued to say his view was "evolving," he would look like a weak and/or very cynical person, which might cost him swing votes, quite apart from same gender marriage. The one thing people seem unable to tolerate in a President is wishy washiness.

And, it might also cost him votes from members of the LGBT community and their supporters that would oterwise have been his.

I don't know how long he could have stayed on the fence after Joe Biden's stand on Sunday So, politically, it's better to get the issue off the table now, rather than closer to the election.

That would have been my analysis, I think.

I think at least 50% of Americans do support same gender marriage. Problem is, they are not spread evenly across all states. In Massachusetts at this point, I think a large majority would say either they support it or it's not important to them. Ditto New York.

In the end, it will be the economy and, as always, GOTV.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 03:02 PM
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5. ha! noticed that, too. And good points about getting it out of the way now & avoiding losing votes
of people that would vote for him, as opposed to worrying about the votes of those who ain't gonna vote for him anyhow, who are definitely anti-gay marriage. I'm sure two people I used to work for out West are up in arms about this announcement of his, but they're horribly anti-Obama, so like it matters if he upsets them even more? And, if he goes down politically for standing up for what he believes is correct (supporting full rights for all Americans), then so be it.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 03:14 PM
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6. I'm glad that he did this even if it seems a little late to me.
I found Meghan McCain's comments interesting here http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/05/twitter-celebs-rea...

Rec'd BTW
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 04:00 PM
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8. wow, each one of those famous people's comments had something great in them
thanks for posting from joe's site.

:hi:
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 04:17 PM
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11. It made me wonder as she's been on the GOP about it's views
of equality....so is she gonna hang with Romney and the GOP, who I just heard a clip of stating his opposition to marriage equality (not the words he used) or jump ship?

Which way will she go?

Unfortunately, the log cabins had some nasty comments about the President. Oh, well, sucks to be them I guess.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 03:52 PM
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7. About time!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 04:06 PM
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9. The Bible speaks of many things people no longer follow, such as slaves and
an honored man like Abraham marrying his half sister and then conspiring with her to have a child with her handmaiden--and then banishing both the handmaiden and the child.

Not to mention Lot offering his young daughters to a mob.

So, we have erred in the past following the Bible literally, for we cannot argue that any of the above was moral conduct.

As a beautiful minister once said, "If we are to err, let us err on the side of being loving."
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 04:12 PM
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10. +1. people should be willing to accept things they may not understand, in the pursuit of loving
others as we love ourselves...

:hug:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 05:47 PM
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13. Off topic, but it took a long time for it to dawn on me that
Edited on Wed May-09-12 05:52 PM by No Elephants
"Love thy neighbor as thyself," starts from the premise that we are indeed supposed to love ourselves.

This is far from the undermining some parents and some religious folk seem to favor.

BTW, the pastor who I heard say that was the pastor of Riverside Church in Manhattan about ten years ago.

He was being interviewed by a former local news anchor who all but said during the interview that she was a lesbian.

She did raise a child as a single woman long before it was common.

No one ever asked her about it and she never gave any explanations.

At some point, she stopped being a news anchor and went to divinity school. Now, she only appears on TV in connection with religious matters. And her shows are always amazing.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 05:43 PM
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12. CBS news tonight claims Biden forced Obama's hand. Also that the announcement came on the eve of a
Hollywood fundraiser and a lot of Obama's donors are gay. Finally, CBS claims that one in six of Obama's bundlers are gay and the gay community, having heard Biden, pressured Obama to take a stand.

If true, this clears up questions about why now and not before the North Carolina vote, etc. Also, if true, reminds us that, in politics, "Follow the money" is good advice.
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