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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-12 06:46 AM
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Scarborough: Day Two of harping on the admini's response re: Biden's gay marriage remarks.and
counting.

As most know by now, Biden came out (no pun intended) on Meet the Press as strongly and unequivocally in favor of gay marriage. (He has in the past, as when he was on the Ellen DeGeneres show, shortly before she married, but this was Meet the Press.)

In response to questions from the media about Obama's views, Carney did a bit of dancing.

Yesterday morning, Arne Duncan was a guest on Morning Joe and Morning Joe habitue, Mark Halperin asked Duncan if he supported gay marriage, to which Duncan responded "yes." Halperin then signalled his intent to put the question to all of Obama's cabinet members.

The underlying message was that Obama is cynically trying to have it both ways, to re-energize his base by seeming that he will do something further about same gender marriage in his second term, if re-elected, while still being able to have his organization still able to say he does not support same gender marriage as they talk to voters, especially in Virginia and North Carolina.

Today, Joe was at it again.

I suspect he and his accomplices will hammer on this for a while and then will bring it up repeatedly.



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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-12 02:03 PM
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1. I'm SOOOO glad that Bill Press is on Current early in the morning
so that I don't have to be subjected to Morning Joke or CNN anymore.

As for Halperin, I didn't renew our subscription to Time after he blurted that the President was acting like kind of a dick on Morning Joke a few months back. I received a plea to renew in the mail over the weekend and called the customer service number. Into the conversation (and I mentioned Halperin and his comments) the customer service rep. mentioned that we hadn't renewed, and I responded, "Damn straight, but what I'm telling you now is that I don't want another piece of crap mail from Time ever again. I may reconsider in the future if Halperin is no longer affiliated with Time."

I do hope that Halperin chokes on his own bile while putting the question to all of Obama's cabinet members. If I had my way, I'd get his right to marry put on a ballot so that voters could decide whether his nasty self could marry.

I think I'm finished being mean now.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-12 02:17 PM
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2. I wonder what happened because Halperin's father is or was a Democrat.
As far as putting the right to marry on the ballot, if I am not mistaken, it has been defeated any time it's been on the ballot.

In Massachusetts, the first in the nation to recognize same gender marriage, the court did it, as an interpretation of the equal rights provision of the state constitution.

In other states where it is recognized, I believe the legislatures did it.

Civil rights should not be subjected to a ballot anyway, but our joke of a Supreme Court would simply say that no one in the 1860's (14th amend.) intended the equal protection clause to apply to members of the GLBT community, so it doesn't.

And Scalia the Foul has already said something like that in a speech to, I believe, law students.

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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-12 03:10 PM
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3. I realize that civil roghts shouldn't be put on a ballot. I was
being a smart ass about Halperin, add Scalia, David Fowler (local asshole) and a few others to my list of people who have their marriages put up for a vote. I don't think they would like the idea.

Maybe Mark has daddy issues or was dropped on his head a few times.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 03:12 AM
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5. Okay, you wanted Halperin's right to marry on the ballot. I read too quickly and not very well.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-12 03:11 PM
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4. It's simple.

It gets their right-wing enthused. It gets more Republicans to the polls.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-12 03:25 AM
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6. I think Joe kills a few birds with that stone.
He tells the RW that Obama WILL legalize same gender marriage if re-elected.

This, of course, is a lie because repeal of DOMA requires Congressional action and Obama cannot do squat about state law on marriage. However, I have never known Joe to be scrupulous about the truth.

However, Joe knows that anyone who bases his or her vote solely on opposing gay marriage will be voting Republican anyway, so I don't think those people are the primary targets of Joe's campaign.

Joe also pointing out what he believes to be a general character flaw in Obama--taking care of his own re-election above all else, not taking principled stands, etc. Joe also attacked Santorum on similar grounds that day, for a back-handed endorsement of Romney (whom Joe has not yet endorsed himself). Joe said little Rickie should either have made a full throated endorsement or stayed silent, not try to have it both ways.

I believe Joe was also pointing out to members of the GLBT community that Obama is still trying to have it both ways with their civil rights at stake.

(This dance by Carney was done a couple of days ahead of the North Carolina Constitution vote on gay marriage.)


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