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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-12 01:46 PM
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A Little Trouble in Big China
May 4, 2012, 12:30 pm
By STEPHEN R. PLATT
Stephen R. Platt is an associate professor of history at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst and the author of Autumn in the Heavenly Kingdom: China, the West and the Epic Story of the Taiping Civil War.

Half a world away from the battlefields of Virginia, a small community of American traders and missionaries in the international port of Shanghai watched the Civil War play out as a distant and grinding agony. News from the United States took at least two months to reach them and when it did, the anxiety many felt to leap onto the next California-bound steamer generally faded when they thought through how long it would actually take before they could get back home, enlist and put on a uniform.

But the tensions of their home nevertheless bled into the local community. Most of the Americans in Shanghai were Northerners, but their British neighbors who outnumbered them 10 to 1 were overwhelmingly pro-Confederate and had no compunction about saying so, even joking about it. There wasnt much the Americans could do, though now and then an Englishman would find himself getting beaten up at a dinner party.

The war finally came to Shanghai in the winter of 1862. After American sailors had boarded the British mail steamer Trent near Cuba in November 1861, Britain began preparations for war against the United States, and by the winter of 1862 Shanghai was echoing with the rumor that James Hope, the commander of Royal Navy forces in China, was just waiting for the orders from London that would authorize him to seize or destroy all United States ships in Chinese waters and throw his American neighbors into prison.

The Americans in Shanghai were helpless. With United States naval power concentrated on blockading the South, there was only one American gunship in Chinese waters: the little Saginaw, which had rotted out in December 1861, leaving them with nothing to rely on but the good graces of the same Royal Navy from which they now feared an attack. An American merchant in Shanghai wrote home to his mother in March 1862 that everyone was waiting for the next steamer from America, which will bring us news of either peace or war. In the event of a war, business will be entirely broken up and nearly all the Americans in this place will make tracks for San Francisco.

More: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/04/a-littl...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-12 05:07 PM
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1. Well......Glad to see you over here with a good read..(s).
Edited on Sat May-05-12 05:51 PM by KoKo


This reverse came to mind. :D

Anyway...will hope to read this over weekend.

Thanks for remembering us over here on 02...we miss "LG" and "Skippy" who have abandoned us for "other pastures." In "LG's" case I can understand because of his "Ponies"....but "Skippy" ....well he is farther ranging.

I miss them both. Get after them...can you? We need some help over here... We don't want to become a "dreaded" ECHO CHAMBER. :cry:

ON EDIT: Of COURSE we are "Holding our Own" here..so, don't think we are THAT LONELY... We are carrying on....carrying on...until the plug is pulled.

We are a good group. We hoped others would find it that way...but, not too many. We NEVER want to become the "M&H" thingy over there or to be dissected up into various FACTIONS.

So...whatever... Just wanted to make it clear that we miss you...could use your help...but, we are "carrying on.." and that's because we are the "Little Engine that Could" ...and because well.....we don't know..the answer to that...
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-12 02:51 AM
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2. I try to get over once or twice a day.
I'm actually spending way less time on the DU in general. I think I'm burning out a little bit. Leopolds Ghost hasn't posted in almost a week. Maybe a new job or lost internet connection or something.

I'm honestly kinda surprised that DU2 is still up. I figured they would shut it down in short order, but nope. I was wrong.

:hi:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-12 07:11 PM
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3. Well...some of us stalwarts are "keeping on trucking" ...but agree...
it's like pushing a boulder up that hill these days..and the boulder seems to win.

Your posts here have been appreciated... And, as long as we are here...please step in from time to time with your intersting posts.

We can't give up yet...(but, yeah...some of us are kind of flagging..)

:hi:
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-12 09:16 PM
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4. Will do.
Still nothing from LG...
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-12 04:05 AM
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5. I hope it's that his work is keeping him busy. As evidenced by my thread asking if
anyone had seen him, I've been worried about him.

He did post that his favorite uncle passed away and he has not been around much since.

But then, I tend to worry.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-12 05:50 PM
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6. Here I am.
Lots of stuff I've been working on has been busily falling apart, online and off (not including DU, although it factors into it as I would have been spending more time online otherwise, plus a couple DU friends of mine who I know IRL dropped off the face of the earth. :evilfrown: ) see my monday morning pony thread for another example.

I'm still committed to help with the hosting / guidelines etc. It's just... tough for me lately right now.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-12 07:56 PM
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10. No worries!
Take care. I've been busier as of late too! Hope you get it back together, I hear bubblegum and duct tape works! :hi:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-12 06:20 PM
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7. Thank Goodness..."LG "has appeared out of his Fugue...and he's
Edited on Mon May-07-12 06:23 PM by KoKo
appreciated and should not stray out too far without checking in from time to time.

CREATIVITY...is so lacking outlets these days....We need to keep "LG" close to us for as long as we can last over here on this site...

And, again...appreciate your posts and the "checkings in."


On Edit: I posted about "THE FUGUE"...at least we over here can post "stuff like that" and it's a good thing to recognize that many of us are going through various stages of that.

LIFE...sort of gets in the way.

What I don't understand is WHY those on our SISTER SITE never seem to have "LIFE GET IN THE WAY?"

:shrug:

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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-12 07:32 PM
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9. I thought you said Fudge.
It's been difficult for me to get anything going lately. All the folks I was working on various other projects with have broken off contact for presumably unrelated and in some cases unknown reasons, online and IRL, right around the same time. Imagine if that happened to you. Hell, I think DU is the only place I have any real friends left that did not turn out to be batshit insane.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-12 04:48 AM
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11. "Hell, I think DU is the only place I have any real friends left that did not turn out to be batshit
insane."

That you know of.


KIDDING!


But, I find that people who a little bit (as opposed to batshit) insane are more interesting. Vanilla puts me to sleep.

So, if I keep choosing people who are a little insane when I choose them, odds are a few will go over the edge at some point before the relationship ends.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-12 06:25 PM
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8. This is a MOST Excellent Post for those who take or have time to read the whole piece
just saying...... THANKS!
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