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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-12 03:37 PM
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q. Which religion is VP hopeful Marco Rubio? A. Which religion would you like him to be?


Rubio's Mormon past revealed
By NBC's Domenico Montanaro



*** UPDATED AT 1:45 PM ET WITH COMMENT FROM RUBIO SPOKESMAN AND CORRECTS TIMELINE***

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Thats right, Marco Rubio, the conservative senator on everyones short list for vice president, was a member of the LDS Church in his youth, BuzzFeed reports.

When Rubio's family moved to a suburb of Las Vegas, near cousins who were Mormon, many in his immediate family (but not his father) converted, including Marco. Rubio was baptized in the church when he was 8 and enthusiastically participated in the religion, according to the report.

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NBC Latino reports that a former Rubio campaign staffer said this should have no bearing on whether the Florida senator's picked as VP and that he is a "devout Catholic":

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While Rubio continues to identify as a Conservative Roman Catholic, he frequently attends a non-denominational Baptist church with his family in Florida. As his notoriety increases, both communities have sought to lay claim to the rising political star, with little resistance from Rubio himself. In fact, the politician has cooperated for profiles in both the Catholic Advocate, and the Evangelical World Magazinegranting pitch-perfect interviews to each.




http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/23/1048787...


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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-12 05:14 PM
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1. So, which is it, Mr. Rubio? Catholic, Evangelical or Mormon?
Whatever suits his narrative at the moment seems to be the case. But it doesn't seem like Rubio is too eager for his early Mormon background to come to light.


Why all of this religious equivocation, Mr. Rubio?

Does it depend upon your audience?


Nothing else would explain his uncomfortable little dance routine. Like the Cuban 'exile from the Castro regime' embellishment. That backfired too.


Whatever he holds himself out to be today, more and more people aren't buying what Rubio is peddling.






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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-12 06:01 PM
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2. Mormonism is probably the least of his problems.
I think Rubio's biggest problem here is not his Mormon past (although I'd bet real money the LDS church still considers him very much a Mormon, as long as he's never been excommunicated nor gone through the laborious process of getting his name removed from the rolls -- a process the LDS church makes as difficult as possible), but his apparently dual allegiance to both Catholicism and Protestantism.

I can see why he would want to be seen as a Catholic in Miami, yet present himself as a Protestant to the rest of the country (thus the Baptist church attendance) -- but the Baptist thing is really going to mess him up with old-school Catholics. Speaking as an ex-old-school Catholic, we were forbidden (even if it wasn't written down anywhere) to so much as enter a non-Catholic church, let alone participate in its services. The old Cuban Catholics are not going to like this.


P.S. This reminds me of Sonny Bono, who swore to the public he was still a devout Roman Catholic, many years after he allegedly switched to Scientology (and of Mark Foley, who, hear tell, seems to be keeping his own Scientologism in the closet).
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-12 04:31 AM
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4. Things are a little different now. Neo theo of all religions band together
Edited on Fri Feb-24-12 04:58 AM by No Elephants
insofar as they have a perceived common cause, while attacking their own who have different views, as when Catholics attack Kerry for taking communion while Democratic.

As a kid, I heard an Orthodox woman of Syrian descent say she would sooner be Protestant than Roman Catholic. Yet, to an outsider, there is so little difference between the Orthodox and Roman Catholic, especially now that both use English in services in America.

Also as a kid, I heard from the adult members of my non denominational church about what idolators Catholics were and how false their religion was.

One very brave Sunday School teacher confided to my small class that she had a good friend who was Catholic and this friend was such a believer in Jesus and such a good person that my Sunday School teacher believed in her heart that this Catholic woman would go to heaven. I was maybe 12. And I was shocked at my Sunday School teacher who, up until then, I had thought of as a wonderful and solid Christian. But, what she was saying was so contrary to everything I had heard up until then. (I never did tell on her.)

And so on.

But, now, they will cheerfully band together, along with Muslims and Orthodox Jews to do things such as fight reproductive choice, fight to get prayer back into schools, etc.

And someone, regardless of religion, who fights against reproductive choice is far superior to someone who fights for reproductive choice.

Think of all the Catholics the Bush boys appointed to the SCOTUS, even though their base is WASP. The neo theos, though, know they can count on Catholics to be anti-reproductive choice.

And, as we know, all who believe that Jesus is the Son of God will fight to have a pagan tree in public buildings at Yuletide--er, I mean, Christmas.

Is there still a "my religion is the only real one" attitude? Yes, but not as much as there was before the Republicans married the Moral Majority. Also, that emphasis shifts when there is some bone all of them want to pick, like "under God" in the flag salute or the ten commandments in the court house.
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-12 06:30 PM
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8. True: The only thing that brings together all religions is a common hatred.
It was oodles of fun to watch the National Organization for Marriage for Irrational Homophobes issue a public thank-you letter, signed by representatives of every gay-bashing denomination imaginable, to the Mormon church for pushing Prop H8 through -- and then watch the fundies go back to ragging on the Mormons for not being Christians, and the Catholics for being child molesters, etc., a few months later.

Oh, and we Catholics knew you Protestants were the ones going to hell -- after all, you were the ones who rejected the one holy, catholic, and apostolic church. So we prayed for you, a lot -- that is, when we weren't busy adopting pagan babies in Biafra and giving them proper christian names. :P

The only non-Catholics bound for heaven, of course, were Jews. Otherwise, it would have been pretty hard to explain why Jesus wasn't going to hell, too.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-12 06:21 AM
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6. Mark Foley is a...Scientologist?
You have got to be kidding me.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-12 07:49 AM
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7. Scientology, the Family. Not all that different from each other, IMO.
Some are chosen to be above the rest of us; and, for them, the laws of God and man that apply to the rest of us do not bind them.

Also the philosopy of various other sects and cults.
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-12 06:53 PM
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9. Only his auditor knows for sure.
But they certainly had their hooks in him for a while. He was one of a handful of inexplicably Scientology-"friendly" congresscritters who went to bat for the CoS when Germany moved to ban Scientology; later Foley was feted by the Scientologists at the CoS's "Celebrity Center" in Clearwater, Florida, by the "Clearwater Business Association," a CoS front group.

And when Foley decided he needed help with his alcoholism, he went to a Clearwater rehab. Nobody knows whether the rehab center was a CoS facility or not, but since the CoS pretty much owns Clearwater ("the town Scientology built"), chances are good it was. (Might have even been Narcanon, also a CoS operation.)

Not surprisingly, after the page scandal broke, CoS cut all (public) ties with Foley, wiping any mention of him from their websites, etc.

My guess is that if he ever was a practicing member, he's not now (Scientology detests homosexuality, calling it a "perversion") -- and if he is, he'd have to undergo Scientology's bogus "cure" for homosexuality.

Further reading:
http://home.conservativebabylon.com/category/mark-foley /
http://www.xenu.net/archive/WIR/wir10-40.html

Long, interesting discussion here:
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=20957

Keep an eye out for an innocent-sounding (now defunct) PAC, "Citizens for Social Reform," and who it funded:
http://www.salon.com/2011/02/10/scientology_friends_dc /
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-12 04:05 AM
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3. Jesus Christ. n/t
:beer:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-12 04:41 AM
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5. The Mormon connection is a good thing for Democrats, I think.
Edited on Fri Feb-24-12 04:47 AM by No Elephants
If Romney is the nominee, Rubio would be very useful to Romney on the ticket, for his traditional religion, as well as for his Hispanic roots.

His Catholicism would draw a lot of fundies, especially if his Baptist church attendance were bandied about. That would be much more appealing to the RW neo theos than would Mormonism.

And Rubio's Hispanic roots alone, with or without the Catholic factor, could have brought in a lot of votes that would otherwise have gone Democratic (or stayed home).

But, it's very different, now that we know Rubio grew up Mormon, not Catholic, not being confirmed in the Catholic religion until well beyond the usual age. That will give pause to Pentecostal and non denomination neo theos, as well as to observant Catholics, including observant Hispanic Catholics.

They probably won't go Democratic, but they might stay home. I don't think Romney will risk that by running with Rubio.


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