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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:26 PM
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My last post on DU2.
Edited on Sat Dec-10-11 08:30 PM by Bonobo
DU was started with the spirit of resistance to injustice, It was founded after the stolen election of 2000 and people clung to it because it offered a safe refuge where people who wanted to speak truth to power could do so safely without the fear of reprisals by people who clung to the status quo and who had vested interests in maintain things as they were.

For the 8 years following the start of DU, some of the most gifted and outspoken voices on the left have come here and shared and informed and helped us to hold out for the hope that one day the horrible and stunningly radical actions of the Bush administration would be stopped, reversed and that Bush and his cronies would be forced to face up to the consequences, legal, moral and political of their transgressions.

What followed Bush was a bitter fight for power in the Democratic Primaries and much blood was spilt -but all of it was in the hopes, I think, that the ideals that defined the Progressive Movement (I say Progressive, yes, because at that time you would have found few Dems who would have supported further extending wars in the M.E., Bush tax cuts, cutting heating assistance, etc.) would be moved forward. It was a battle ultimately between two rather middle of the road candidates, Obama and Hillary -but to me, I foolishly believed that Obama was just "acting" more conservative than he was in order to appeal to the middle for the election.

In my imagination, out of hope, I told myself that an election as historic as this, the election of a black man for president with such tremendous turnout of young people AND after such a radical time as the last 8 years MUST be something transformative and indeed, Mr. Obama encouraged that belief with his soaring rhetoric and constant talk of change and belief. we had waited so long, those of us who came of age with Reagan -30 years really of waiting for some significant change. a new direction that would show the rest of the world how we opposed Bush, how he wasn't US!!

The first hint of trouble was the refusal to investigate the Bush crimes... one cannot truly judge where one is going without first looking backward to see his own path, I think. But worse than that was the signal it gave to us, to the world. Then came the financial policies and appointments...then came the continuation and extension of the wars. And it never stopped. The sickening, sinking realization that there was no real change on the horizon was a hard thing to adapt to after so much hope.

And... what happened to DU as a result? How did IT change with the times? How did DU adapt to its new role -not a role of resistance - but an uncomfortable role as a party supporter that had to walk the fine line between allowing the free expression of criticism and avoiding going too far as to allow too much anti-Obama, anti-Democratic party rhetoric. I think DU did an impressive job overall. It made a choice though. Was DU going to keep allowing people to be the voice of resistance to the injustices of power or was it going to try to smooth things over? In the end, DU began to advance policies that would slowly make sure that it was not an "embarrassment" to he Democratic Party such as the creation of forums where opinions that were too embarrassing to be shown to the larger media world could be hidden such as 9/11, LGBT, Israel/Palestine...

Anyway, some people swim to their destination against the tides and some people set their mark on different destinations depending on which way the current is flowing. As for me, I still resist injustices -in particular war and the abuse of US military power overseas while ignoring the plight of the 99%. I will not compromise my ideals on those issues. They are rock-solid positions that are not susceptible to change no matter WHO is leading the country. If that means that my voice will be silenced in order to advance the agenda of one political party than let it happen. But karma is real -it is not what most people think of it as. It is not "fate". Karma is "action" and things come into existence as the result of our actions. Conditions are created through our actions that set up the nature of the reality that we live in.

Best of luck to DU in the future. I hope it does the right thing.

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:37 PM
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1. Very well said, Bonobo.
I think the tide is turning. It's a new world, far different now than it was when we had faith that the Democratic Party was the answer. We, and millions of others.

They ignored the pleas of the people who elected them and listened to the Corporate Lobbyists and in the end they forced the people to take matters into their own hands.

The leaders are now the ones who have to choose. Are they going to represent the people or the corporations? Because they cannot have it both ways anymore. Those days are over.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:40 PM
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2. K&R! n/t :)
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:41 PM
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3. Great Post! K and R
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:54 PM
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4. Happy to kick and recommend this beautiful post. nt
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 09:15 PM
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5. Interesting that your last post on DU2 is...
...revisionist swill with regards to DU.

DU's majority voice has been anti-Obama since his center-right appointments. Hell, it started with the invite for Rick Warren at the inauguration, the die hards and respectful supporters decided to be neutral on it, and the divide started. As the appointments became increasingly seen as center-right, the "I told you so's" emanated from the depths of the "I must be right crowd." Never mind that same "I must be right crowd" was absolutely wrong about Obama being a highly progressive liberal, as many of us (who still support him now) said he wasn't.

For those of us who are ideologically anti-political this whole affair has been bittersweet. Warning the same people of Obama's post-partisan ultra-moderate-ness, before they became the ardent anti-Obama speakers that they became. To say that DU has weakened any sort of anti-Obama or anti-Democratic party message is, ultimately, pure revisionism and not based in any reality.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 09:45 PM
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6. I am entirely unsurprised to hear your conservative voice calling this "swill". nt
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 09:50 PM
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7. A child labor advocate dare call me a conservative.
Cute.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 09:58 PM
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8. I won't reargue that OP which was advocating a cross-cultural educational method and NOT
at all what Newt Gingrich was suggesting.

But, yes, a person like you that strongly pushes for further US military intervention in the Middle East is not someone I would put myself in the same category in politically -so I bask in the warm glow of being recognized as not being in the same "camp" as you.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 10:04 PM
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10. I'm a pro-revolutionary. You don't know me.
I do not believe in "further US military intervention in the Middle East." Being for one specific scenario does not magically mean I am for "other" scenarios. I am against both Iraq and Afghanistan. I am against drones. I am against targeted killing. The list goes on. You don't know me.

Meanwhile cleaning desks is all fine and dandy. It's not what you said, it's how you said it that's cute. Simple as that. I too don't need to hash that out and have no intention to, I know where things are looking.
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WildNovember Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 10:32 PM
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12. for a subset of revolutions favored by the neo-cons.
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WildNovember Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 11:43 PM
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14. the neocon cheerleaders have moved on from libya; next stop, syria..
Edited on Sat Dec-10-11 11:43 PM by WildNovember
cheerleading all their phoney us-sponsored "revolutions..."

"gang of four"
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 10:01 PM
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9. +1 million.
DU's majority voice has been anti-Obama since his center-right appointments.

I'm not even sure it took that long...

Funny. People posting potshots to the president in their "FAREWELL, DU!" threads. That's actually quite funny.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 10:30 PM
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11. Leadership is risky
but it sure beats the alternative.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 10:39 PM
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13. Heartfelt post.
It is a time when many must decide which battles are worth fighting when we know what we face. Many will need more time to decide if swimming upstream isn't wearing us out too much.
:-(
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WildNovember Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-11 12:00 AM
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15. kiotsuketekudasai.
Edited on Sun Dec-11-11 12:02 AM by WildNovember




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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-11 12:05 AM
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16. No way!! Really??
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-11 08:26 PM
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24. ヘえ?
なるほど
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WildNovember Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-11 11:52 PM
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25. Unfortunately your post shows to me as: &#12504&#12360&#65311
Edited on Sun Dec-11-11 11:52 PM by WildNovember
I don't have the software.
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-11 01:06 AM
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17. Thanks for this, but where else can we post and communicate with each other?
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-11 01:54 AM
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18. Bonobo, will you be on the "new and improved" DU?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-11 02:19 AM
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19. For the time being. Sort of. nt
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-11 10:08 AM
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20. My last unrec on DU2...nt
Sid
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-11 10:17 AM
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-11 01:13 PM
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22. Simply excellent! My last recommendation on DU2
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Huey P. Long Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-11 01:43 PM
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23. For the people! -eom
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