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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 05:29 PM
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'Bean Dipping' In Schools Causes Concern
'Bean Dipping' In Schools Causes Concern


DUBLIN, Ohio - The mother of a Dublin middle schooler said Friday that her daughter was traumatized after being exposed to "bean dipping."

The mother, who did not wish to be identified, said that bean dipping is a new activity in the schools where a boy touches a girl under her breasts to see if they bounce and then makes fun of her.

The mother filed a bullying report on the Dublin City School District's website, 10TV's Tanisha Mallett reported.

The mother said the Davis Middle School principal told her the situation would be handled but could not detail how the student would be handled.

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2011/12/09/dublin-b...
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 05:34 PM
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1. Bean dipping? Sounds like assault to me. n/t
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 07:17 PM
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14. article says "borders on sexual harassment". .. Borders???
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:10 AM
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23. Yeah, this is sexual harrasment and sexual assault
No borders to that! Geez!
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 05:35 PM
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2. I guess that is sexual assault.
How does the idiot principal think cases of sexual assault should be handled? With a two-day suspension?
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 05:51 PM
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3. Ah, another euphemism for sexual assault- like the "butt drag" in wrestling.
Maybe you remember it from a while back, too? High school wrestler charged with sex crime after inserting fingers in opponent's anus

I still think, all-told, the prevalence and "accepted" nature of that wrestling move is far more disturbing than what's happening here. But there's a certain insidious aspect to giving a goofy or oblique-sounding euphemism to a crime, whether it's necessarily intended to conceal the nature of the act or not.

It's not "bean dipping", it's sexual assault. Some of this behavior goes on, has always gone one and sadly probably will go on. Please don't take my pointing that out as acceptance of it, though. When situations like this arise there really needs to be a response which starts with an immediate- "Harassment and certainly sexual, racial or religious harassment will not be tolerated in any form and the penalties for that behavior will be severe."

I am at a bit of a loss why the principal couldn't immediately come up with some kind of at least thumbnail sketch for the parent about how the offender would be handled. Reading the full article, I think there are some things missing from the article about what might have caused that hesitancy.

PB
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 05:54 PM
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4. +1 Similar to bullshit terms like 'intimate partner violence'
wtf?

Assault is assault
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 06:12 PM
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6. You know, I think every DUer has some post, some big post on a topic of...
Edited on Fri Dec-09-11 06:14 PM by Poll_Blind
...overwhelming importance to them that they haven't made yet because, well, at least in my case, they maybe haven't been able to articulate the thought properly.

I think my "big post" is something I notice more and more as I get older: The incredible epidemic of child neglect, child abuse and child sexual abuse. And how, even though those are so incredibly repellent to the civilized society we and other nations consider ourselves to be, it is so ubiquitous that it's difficult for us to begin to address it or sometimes, even acknowledge it.

The statistics are as astounding as they are humbling, infuriating, frightening and stomach-turning.

And those abuses are so widespread and leave marks so deep that we deal with some of the fallout on a societal level as opposed to an individual level.

PB
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Shoe Horn Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 07:00 PM
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11. ...I look forward to reading that post. [nt]
:thumbsup:
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 07:42 PM
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17. Well said!
It is beyond sickening how we, as a society, are incapable of addressing these horrendous crimes with the seriousness they deserve and the long term devastation, caused both by the crimes themselves and our seeming inability to even fully accept they do occur and in staggering numbers, will continue.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 01:02 AM
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22. how about ball busting? should end bean dipping. little assholes
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 09:03 AM
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33. lol. My thoughts exactly.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 06:05 PM
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5. I don't get the principal's reaction
"I think it is also important that a school assembly is called so that the children can be addressed, so they can be told that this borders on sexual harassment and it is not tolerated," the mother said.


"Borders on" my ass. How about during this assembly he explain what sexual assault is while the school cop frog marches one of the little twerps to the squad car.
Glad both of my kids are grown.

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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 06:40 PM
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7. I think I would be talking to an attorney about that principal
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bigmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 06:42 PM
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8. Isn't it important that these are kids?
Bad behavior in kids needs to be corrected. Maybe, though, imprisonment is too much.
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populistleftist1 Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 07:15 PM
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13. kids will be kids and reactionaries will be reactionaries
no matter their political affiliation.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:21 AM
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24. So, let me clarify.
You think that it's "reactionary" if one objects to boys touching a girl's breasts? How about other body parts? Vagina perhaps? Is that just a "boys will be boys" behavior as well? How about if he wants to go further than just touching. Prey, tell me, where are the boundaries? "populistleftist1?" Really.
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populistleftist1 Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 07:34 PM
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55. reactionary is as reactionary does
burn the witch?
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 10:04 PM
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19. who said anything about imprisonment?
Although I will admit that might have been my initial reaction, there is something to be said for scaring the shit out of him.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 06:56 PM
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9. Should teach our daughters "nut crunching", which is of course a swift kick to the testicle area. nm
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 06:59 PM
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Bwhaaahahahaaa.

:headbang:
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Shoe Horn Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 07:02 PM
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12. lol
Edited on Fri Dec-09-11 07:02 PM by Shoe Horn
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 07:19 PM
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15. You beat me!
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 07:42 PM
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18. Especially in the younger years I think that is the correct response...
... instead of the legal system.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 10:15 PM
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20. A better euphamism is "wine making"
because it involves crushing the grapes.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 11:48 PM
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21. And a lot of wining. very good. nm
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:23 AM
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25. Unfortunately, it's a vital defense tactic
that should be taught to girls. Boys are generally bigger and stronger and that's the only defense a girl has.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:28 AM
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28. Defense classes tell you not to do this, actually.
The chance of missing and not causing significant enough pain to allow you to get away are too great, and can result in an even more vicious response.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:46 AM
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29. So, what do you suggest?
:shrug:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 09:53 AM
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36. I don't know, some kind of non-violent response I guess.
The immediate response would vary wildly based on the personality of the girl being assaulted... whatever it is should be followed by reporting it to the teacher and parents who should in turn contact the principal and the police.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 11:25 AM
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40. She's right, kicking isn't usually taught.
It's taught for women that are active in martial arts, because they can launch the kick with enough speed and power to do some real damage and have backup attacks if it fails. For women that aren't active in martial arts and just want to defend themselves, grabbing and squeezing/twisting is more effective.
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 10:18 AM
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39. Pretty much...
The theory is that men have the inherent reflexes to protect the family jewels and so a miss or ineffective strike is likely.

The alternative is a joint strike. I prefer knees..
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:52 AM
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30. That worked when I was in junior-high way back when,
Edited on Sat Dec-10-11 08:53 AM by polly7
I'm assuming it would be just as effective now. I don't normally condone violence, but there is no way any girl, or boy, should have to put up with this stupidity, bullying and assault.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:58 AM
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32. I know. Me too.
I started "sprouting" at 10 so my "kick" reaction was developed real early. And what the hell is it with guy that think they can just walk up and touch your breasts? It seems to happen more to those of us with the larger-than-average rack. :wtf:
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 09:09 AM
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34. The mentality of it has always baffled me.
I don't get where the sense of entitlement comes from. It's so frustrating to see nothing really changes.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 03:32 PM
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49. Is is all about dominance. nm
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:03 PM
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57. Perhaps "ball bouncing"
.... would be ok :)
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 06:59 PM
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10. People have been doing that to boys for years
Fat boys get that a lot. It's hardly sexual assault, though.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:25 AM
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26. So, if you have a daugher, say 12 years old,
and some boy comes up to her and grabs her breast, that's OK with you? Wow!
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 01:49 PM
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45. THey flick the fat up in the air... takes about a microsecond of contact
And there's nothing erotic about it. Kids will be kids. Oh, and you can't stop it. They've been doing it to each other for as long as there have been humans on the planet.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 01:58 PM
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48. Oh, you can stop it pretty easily.
Bullies aren't actually as tough as they seem and a swift knee or kick making them fall down and cry IS an excellent deterrent. Just ask me. The crying was kind of shocking ... I truly had no idea it would hurt that much. The problem is, today anyone doing that would most likely be the one suspended.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 03:51 PM
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52. I agree, bullies are actually cowards and are usually doing their deeds for an audience.
A good slap across the face should suffice to embarrass them in front of their coward friends.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:21 PM
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58. Serious denial - you may want to have that looked at. n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:26 AM
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27. What people have been doing it to boys? Other bully boys?
I would imagine that in those cases that you're right that it is not sexual assault.

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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 01:51 PM
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46. ...your "buddies"
Edited on Sat Dec-10-11 01:52 PM by Cronus Protagonist
the ones that try to flick you with a towel in the changing room, the ones that flick your ear with their index finger, the ones that tell you to pull their finger and fart, the ones that slap you on the back while you're slugging down a coke, and on and on and on.

While they'e not any fun for the "recipient", I see no need to criminalize these activities either, or you criminalize half your children.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 03:36 PM
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50. Or bullies could learn that girls' breasts aren't public property
and that they have no right to touch them.

Whatever they do with their "buddies" is a different situation entirely.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 11:33 AM
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42. No, then it's just plain old battery.
Or assault, depends on your state I guess.

Breasts are not a secondary sexual characteristic for males, and that's the difference.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 01:54 PM
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47. I can assure you a lot of males have nipples "direcltly wired" to their penises
Perhaps you are unaware of that, but nonetheless, a tit flick is not any more offensive than a butt slap, a towel whip, an ear flick, an unexpected slap on the back of the head, Saran warp over the toilet, farting in class and so on. Kids will be kids.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 03:51 PM
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51. I hope you don't have daughters. nt.
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The Second Stone Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 07:39 PM
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16. Assault and battery
at the minimum. Sexual assault too.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:53 AM
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31. Speaking as a teacher here
Administrators have a responsibility to serve both of the students involved (at least on some level). And they get caught in PR crap and issues that can get punitive for them if they expel or suspend too many students.

This is why if my kid was assaulted, I would notify the principal, but I would also go straight to the police and file sexual assault charges. The police aren't in the same situation, and getting an assault charge filed against their child will make asshole parents take it a lot more seriously than a "talk with the principal at an assembly."

I have no clue why as adult women if we were groped we would consider it assault, be traumatized, expect the person to be fired if it were on the job or consider filing charges. But when it happens to a younger girl, schools expect them to shrug it off and move on, they'll "have a talk" with the person who did it.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 09:09 AM
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35. @ the risk of being flamed I would like to say:
1) It is bad behavior and should be punished

b) Most Middle School Boys have always been and will always look for a way to feel a girl's breasts ... we used to ask some girls if
they wanted to play football w/ us.

iii) I wonder what a "3 bean dip" is a euphemism for?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 09:55 AM
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37. That sense of entitlement needs to end. It should have ended long ago,
Edited on Sat Dec-10-11 09:56 AM by redqueen
but many people act as if they are entitled to do whatever they like, and dress it up however they like to rationalize their actions.

This particular form of misogynist bullying is sexual assault.

It is NOT fun and games.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 10:12 AM
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38. Wow. Chops Busting would be an appropriate response, I think.
I've taught my daughter some purely evil moves to be used if anybody lays hands on her without her permission. Seems to me that "Bean Dipping" would fall in that category quite easily. There's nothing like a broken nose or a wrung out scrotum to point out the error of your ways, I guess. Either way, the screaming (his or hers!) would attract attention to the problem.


:nuke:



Laura
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 11:28 AM
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41. Bean dipping? That doesn't even sound right. Did they make
it up as the lawsuits came rolling in? :eyes:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 11:37 AM
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43. sack tapping, and now this. wow.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 12:56 PM
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44. Bean dipping should be met with "NUT CRACKING."
Edited on Sat Dec-10-11 12:58 PM by mistertrickster
That's when the girl drives her knee violently into the boy's scrotal sack.

When done properly, the boy will fall to the ground and vomit.

Then the girl can point and laugh. Pretty much assures that the bean dipping will end . . .

On edit--apologies to those who posted this already, heh.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 04:16 PM
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53. If the gals ran around dickslapping some of y'all would holler
titflick? not so much, huh?
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 04:16 PM
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54. This sounds made up. nt
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 07:36 PM
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56. No - it's very real.
My friends and I do that, but we NEVER do it to the girls - only to other guys.
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