#OWS: What's wrong with this picture?

[tex-wyo-dem]

[Angry Dragon]

1. too big

[tex-wyo-dem]

3. sorry...on my mobile and can't figure out how to...

Reduce :(

[Fire Walk With Me]

2. One of these arrested groups, is not like the other...

[Roy Rolling]

41. LOL

Good one...

The militarization of local police is a big problem. The federal government's latest bureacracy---the Department of Homeland Security---pays for equipment used by local police to abuse its citizens.

Now in the U.S., the Department of Homeland Security is the U.S. version of the old KGB.

[midnight]

4. Very sad. Those Russian kids are being treated better than our American children...

[ChairmanAgnostic]

15. The solution is obvious? Tie them up, too!

[DJ13]

5. See, Communism is bad

I still say we LOST the Cold War, and the Kremlin took over our country.

[PatrynXX]

70. sometimes I wonder if Fox is working for Putin

so he can slam our media for taking a Greece protest in for the one in Moscow..

[robinlynne]

6. holy shit.

[tex-wyo-dem]

7. Here's a hint...

Both pictures are taken in police states....one is just a bit worse than the other.

(And I wish I was being sarcastic)

[peacetalksforall]

64. You are so right. In the shadow - stories about the prisons and what looks like stockpiles of

plastic coffins, plus stories of family prisons - filled with Mexicans and their children just as many others are still empty. I'm not hinting that the empty ones are for more Mexicans or Muslims ... judging from the military handling of protestors it can be for all of us who think we have the amendments behind us. I am more convinced that the country is being run according to a revised Constitution or a new Constitution or a series of breaking in Constitutions.

We through out Habeas Corpus. We can also have a secret new Constitution - secret to the public - for now I'll call it the Pepper Spray Peak At Constitution.

I would like to see a list of everyone arrested, their version of what happened, the charge against them, and the outcome.

[sabrina 1]

8. One is a lot worse than the other.

Been doing some research on why this is happening, and the more I learn, the more outraged I feel. Wish I hadn't started. All I can say is that something is very, very wrong here, way more so than we thought.

I don't how it can be fixed. My only hope is in the fact that history shows us that at times like the ones we are living in, when it seemed impossible to change things, the human spirit often prevailed. But not without a lot of suffering.

[tex-wyo-dem]

10. Suffering...yes...

But as Gandhi said (paraphrasing), tyrants always fall and the power of good and love always prevail.

We all need to understand: the good ole U. S. Of A. Is no longer by the people and for the people...it has been fully coopted by very wealthy interested. This is what we must fight (peacefully) against.

And we must be prepared for it being a very long fight.

[sabrina 1]

17. I agree with you. And I know it will be a long fight. It took

decades to get to where we are, and will probably take years to reverse the damage :-(

[Javaman]

27. Wait until the spring. nt

[tavalon]

29. Yep, they will forget all of us over the winter,

but come spring, they will hear us roar!

[daleanime]

40. It's going to be a very interesting....

election season this year, with both parties trying to harness OWS's energy(one way or another):evilgrin:

[hootinholler]

11. I hope you will share

I can't seem to buy a clue these days.

[sabrina 1]

21. I have started to write an OP about what I've learned, about

our police departments especially, but haven't managed to get it done so far. I keep finding more and it gets exhausting when you realize how much needs to be reformed and the question I am now asking myself, is it too late? I am normally optimistic, but lately, not so much :-(

Looking at this OP eg, I am reminded of what I read recently about the Oakland police training with the Bahrain police and the Israeli border police who also have a reputation of tremendous human rights abuses against the Palestinians. My question is, 'why are our police training side by side with the police departments of a dictatorship like Bahrain? And this, AFTER that country's brutal and murderous crackdown on its own citizens?

But then I think in a way it explains the behavior of the Oakland Police who nearly killed two Iraq Veterans. But what can be done about it since our Government appears to either not care or be complicit? We now have to depend on the UN to defend American citizens from the brutality of their own police departments? I am glad the UN is taking an interest, but how bad is it when we need outside interference?

[izquierdista]

54. Method #147

As in Gene Sharp's method #147 out of 198*: Deliberate inefficiency and selective noncooperation by enforcement agents.

So far, we have only seen a couple of police chiefs ignore a mayor's orders to crack down, but in time this number must grow. Police need to be reminded that old attack dogs don't get to sleep on the porch, they get euthanized to save on dog food. Every time a cop's family is denied a medical procedure by an insurance company, they need to be asked "now are you in the 99%"?

Even the most dim-witted of cops needs to come to the realization that after all the pepper is sprayed and all the heads are busted and all the tents are trashed, they will still be in foreclosure because the 1% want their house and their pension.

That is the question that they need to be continually asked: "now are you in the 99%"?


*The entire list can be found here: http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/198_methods.pdf

[rhett o rick]

56. I havent done much research, but I recognize terrorism when I see it. Our

government is showing clearly that they were ready for this. They were prepared and acted quickly to brutalize and terrorize. They know this has to be stopped and they will do what ever they have to to end this.

My heart goes out to our hero's in the streets.

[tuvor]

9. Attribution, please?

Would love to post to facebook, but without a source....

[tex-wyo-dem]

12. sorry...don't have a direct source currently...

Got it off the twitter from @OakFoSho. On my mobile so can't really research it well.

[starroute]

16. The Oakland one is from UPI

Can be found here, alone with several others equally disgusting:

http://www.upi.com/News_Photos/gallery/The-latest-from-Occupy-Oakland/5846/1/

(Google Reverse Image Search is your friend.)


On edit: I haven't come up with the Russian one, but there's a very similar one of a bunch of kids in the back of a police van at http://www.cultofmac.com/133631/jailed-russian-blogger-tweets-instagram-pic-from-police-van/

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. USA, USA, USA...

(When chickens come home...)

[tuvor]

25. Wow, thanks for that!

Much appreciated.

[Prometheus Bound]

13. Those Russian kids need to be clubbed, tied, and humiliated.

They may have broken some obscure law.

[NBachers]

14. And how long before it's dead bodies instead of live ones?

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Hope to be wrong on this

Sooner or later.

[Fire Walk With Me]

33. do not want

[woo me with science]

20. Good god.

I am so angry.

[T S Justly]

22. Nothing...

Both photographs are true depictions. The first is of a group of people whose country
had a revolution ninety-four years ago. The other shows a group living in a country
without revolution for 235 years.

[Le Taz Hot]

23. K & R

Powerful stuff.

[Odin2005]

24. Frickin' A!!!

[Leopolds Ghost]

26. Damn communists are soft on hippie protesters. This is what'll happen if the socialists take over

[Enthusiast]

28. Freedom of speech is more protected in Russia

than in the United States?

[Shoe Horn]

58. Who's leading the world in mass incarceration and prison population? We are! yes we are!oh yes we r!

And something happy, cuz the truth is so damn depressing sometimes:

Whozagudboi??Whoiz??

[xchrom]

30. recommend

[SammyWinstonJack]

31. USA LAND OF THE FREE!

:puke: This Country needs a serious reboot.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

32. those Russian kids look so happy

wish the American ones did.....

well, thank goodness revolution is beginning here; we need it.

[KansDem]

34. Oh, that's easy!

One group was protesting government power and corruption, while the other group was protesting corporate power and corruption.

I hope that helps! :hi:

[Robb]

35. The Russia picture needs a source for me to buy it.

They've arrested more than 1,500 people in the last three days, and the news reports are not kind to the police. FWIW they are anti-Putin rallies.

This is not to excuse the contents of the Oakland photo.

[MadrasT]

37. Yes

While the Oakland pics are horrible and there is no excuse... I wish I knew more about the picture that was selected to set up the contrast of "look how much better it is in Russia".

I don't think life is all sunshine and ponies in Russia.

Either way, the Oakland pics are awful and horrifying.

[tex-wyo-dem]

38. LOok at #16 above...

Not the same pic, but very similar (maybe the same group?)

I've been trying to locate the source with no luck so far.

[LiberalArkie]

59. It was on Cultofmac.com

Pictures taken on iPhone, that is why it was on Cultofmac

[defendandprotect]

36. The OAKLAND pic should be on the front page of every newspaper -- !!

Looking more and mroe like a Gesteapo -- !!

[Chorophyll]

39. Good to know.

Jeezus. x(

[Dutchmaster]

42. Part of the 99% huh? Ummm, no.

These cops are going to have to stand up and be accountable for their crimes against the populace they are supposed to be protecting when this thing is all said and done.

[Beavker]

43. Are we the most brainwashed culture in the world?

I mean, China won't even let people know that Tiananmen square existed, so they have an excuse! The events making this country a joke are freely published, then freely spun into bullshit but we apparently (present company excluded of course) don't have the BS Meters to pick it out. Or were just selfish fucks. It's hard to say.

[Ricochet21]

51. Yes

[Fantastic Anarchist]

60. Brave New World ...

We've been mesmerized by other things more important ... like the Kardashians.

[pam4water]

44. K&R

[stlsaxman]

45. rec #100!

[AikidoSoul]

46. What is the context? Are the Russian kids in the process of being arrested? N/T

[treestar]

47. Yeah right. The Russian police are famous for their

gentleness.

[AikidoSoul]

48. Unrecommended because there is no context to this photo

and everyone simply jumped to conclusions.

Yes, the police in the U.S. are acting like thugs around OWS demonstrators.

But what is the situation with the smiling kids. Are they going to a picnic?

[caseymoz]

49. Now compare those to a picture of those arrested at Tea Party rallies.

Oops! There weren't any were there?

Yep, even though some Tea Partiers actually came armed, there weren't any arrests.

So, which one is really opposing a corrupt system and which one is a tool of that system?

[truebrit71]

50. One is from a country that has a long history of squashing dissent...

...and the other is Russia...

[JDPriestly]

52. Wow!

Do you and your luggage get x-rayed in Russia?

Answered this question with a Google search. The airport security procedures are just about as annoying and time-consuming as our own.

Does the Russian government read and collect your e-mails?

How do the laws regarding privacy and human rights compare?

Is there anyone fluent enough in Russian to find this out?

[JNelson6563]

53. Wow

Astounding. Passed it on.

Julie

[gateley]

55. Who's the Evil Empire now? nt

[Shoe Horn]

57. It's funny, we sent so much money into various countries to finance the exact thing OWS stands for..

...and yet, here in the US, they won't allow it, and know exactly how to break it down, having funded and trained many in other countries.

Good luck, filth! Your censorship of speech is a disgrace to every patriotic American and activist WORLDWIDE.

See:
'Special: The Democratic Revolutionary Handbook'
http://www.linktv.org/programs/the-democratic-revolutionary-handbook
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


All bankrolled by the US, ironically enough.

[Cid_B]

61. Context context context...

Anyone?

Here's a hint. There isn't any... This doesn't prove anything about anything. It doesn't even hint.

[RoccoR5955]

62. I'm stealing your pic

and pasting it to Facebook. Let's see how far it gets out!

[WillyT]

63. K & R !!!

:kick:

[svpadgham]

65. In America....

Police beat you. What a country. (Apologies to Yakov Smirnoff)

[certainot]

66. the PD there needs to see this comparison outside the station every day

[certainot]

67. russians are lucky a pack of radio nazis aren't determining the flavor of the country

[RZM]

68. Let me share a personal story about the Moscow police

I once witnessed a man beat to a pulp outside of a subway station in Moscow. The man on the receiving end of the beating was obviously highly intoxicated and not fighting back. That didn't stop his attacker from punching and kicking until the man was on the ground, then repeatedly jamming his knee in to the guy's face. It lasted an excruciatingly long time and there was blood everywhere. It was by far the most brutal beating I have ever witnessed in my life.

Two police officers watched the whole beating without attempting to intervene. Once it was over they walked over to the attacker and shook his hand. Then they left, leaving the beaten man writhing in slow motion on the ground.

They've also been known to come down pretty hard on gay pride parades as well:

http://news.pinkpaper.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=5469

[PatrynXX]

69. uh

several hands are turning blue compared to others that certainly aren't..