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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 01:51 AM
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Rand Paul did somethiing GOOD
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/196943-pau... -


Paul Calls Senates Bluff, Kills Terrorist Detainee Amendment

By Josiah Ryan

December 2, 2011

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) on Thursday simply by asking for a recorded vote managed to kill an amendment that would have clarified that the military can indefinitely detain enemy combatants.
Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), called the amendment to the floor, explaining it ought to garner the support of all senators because it would simply clarify that enemy combatants acquitted of crimes in a court can still be held in military detention until they are no longer deemed a threat.

Looking to spare vulnerable Democrats from an awkward vote on the controversial issue of extra-judicial military detention, Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.), with the assent of his Republican counterpart John McCain (R-Ariz.), attempted to swiftly pass the amendment by unanimous consent.
I think that this can be accepted on voice vote, Levin said, when Sessions finished presenting the amendment. I have great problems with it, but I think there is probably a majority here that will favor it.

But from across the chamber, Paul demanded a recorded vote on the amendment, which resulted in a resounding 41-59 defeat.
I am going to ask for the yays and nays, Paul said, surprising leaders.

Both McCain and Levin, who indicated moments before that they would agree to passage of the measure by unanimous consent, voted against it in that roll-call vote.
A Republican aid close to the process told The Hill on Friday that Democratic leaders including Levin had agreed to allow passage of the amendment, which they opposed, to dodge the roll-call vote, and that they had been assured by at least one high-powered Republican in the Senate Armed Services Committee that in the end it would be stripped from the final conference report.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 02:05 AM
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1. This was awhile ago, this bill passed (with Feinstein's amendment).
And it will be vetoed by the President.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 03:03 AM
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3. Oops, thanks for the update
eom
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 03:23 AM
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4. I'm annoyed Levin and McCain were going to vote for it via unanimous consent.
Very sneaky. Unanimous consent = deniablity. Didn't know they pulled this so it's still an interesting bit of history. I think Feinstein's amendment would've trumped it though, as I highly doubt Franken and others would've voted for the bill otherwise.

Obama says he's vetoing the bill because he does not believe the military has the authority to do what they want it to do.
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 08:11 AM
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7. That's not correct.
Edited on Wed Dec-07-11 08:13 AM by eomer
The Feinstein amendment in the Senate failed.

Also, two different versions were passed in the House and Senate so it must next go to conference committee to work out the differences and then the new version be passed in both bodies before the President could veto or sign it.

The Senate version has the provisions that are causing the veto threat; the House version does not.

Edit: here is an article that analyzes the differences:

http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/12/house-senate-side-by... /

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 02:09 AM
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2. Like father like son
and in this case it was a good thing.

Remember, kids, stuck clock and all that.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 05:01 AM
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5. Why didn't any of the Dems demand a roll call vote?
i don't see how any Dem i could vote for would vote for such a horrible thing.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 05:08 AM
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6. The only TWO Dems to vote for this piece of shit were Joe Manchin of WV and Mark Pryor of Alaska
Edited on Wed Dec-07-11 05:09 AM by slay
took a few google searches to find out - Democrats.senate.gov didn't list them, neither did the article posted on The Hill.

nice to know that these two supposed Dems think it's ok to detain someone indefinitely. :mad:

*on edit - no surprise but that scumbag Lieberman voted for it too. :grr:
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 09:05 AM
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8. You mean Mark Pryor of Arkansas?
He's a Blue Dog here in AR. Votes like a republican. Barf!
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 01:49 PM
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9. Yes, sorry - i got my state abbreviations confused
AK, AL, AR.. my bad. thnx for the correction. :hi: sucks you're stuck with that guy. i'm not in a good situation here in NC either with repub asshole Richard Burr and blue dog horrible millionaire supposed dem Kay Hagan. :puke:
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