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Playinghardball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:50 PM
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Santorum: Americans don’t ‘die because of lack of health insurance’
Source: Raw Story

In a feisty exchange with a student in Sioux Center, Iowa Monday evening, GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum said that, in his opinion, lack of access to health care has no effect on America’s mortality.

According to ABC News, the former Pennsylvania senator was pressed by the student asking about health care and whether Christians had a responsibility to care for the poor.

When the student, citing a 2009 Harvard University study, said he didn’t “think God appreciates the fact that we have 50 to 100,000 uninsured Americans dying due to a lack of healthcare every year.”

Santorum was not willing at all to accept the student’s word, blaming Americans for their own fate instead of for-profit health insurance companies.

More at: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/06/santorum-american...

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What an IDIOT!!
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:51 PM
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1. What an IDIOT!!
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CarmanK Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:53 PM
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2. I AGREE, the man knows nothing.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:11 PM
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15. +1
It's hard to believe 8 years ago people looked at him as the future of the Republican party leadership.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 03:33 PM
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27. my sister-in-law's brother did from asthma. left a pregnant 19 year
old wife and a boy that will never know him. RIP, my dear sweet Dennis. Santorum, may he never know your pain.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:53 PM
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3. No, we DIE because we can't afford to access health CARE.
But thanks for playing Ricky.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:50 PM
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32. DCKit FTW!
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:53 PM
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4. Santorum needs to stay locked up in the clown car. n/t
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HelenWheels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:54 PM
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5. Santorum and abortion
Santorum should be asked why it was okay for his wife to have an abortion but no one else should be allowed to have one.
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Ship of Fools Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:00 PM
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10. I think he was asked, and his response was that it was because *he loves his wife soooo much...*
Seriously. That, in a nutshell, was his response.

I'm not so entertained by these $$$holes anymore. I'm getting REALLY weary
of all the buffoonery. There is so much that needs fixing, and this sideshow is
really slowing us down.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:15 PM
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28. Republics are immune to hypocrisy.... should be a DU button answer. nt
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:55 PM
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6. Of course they don't
Americans die because of lack of health care, not health insurance. It's not God's fault if you can't get in to see a doctor. In Santorum's frothy mix of a mind, it's your own fault. But any attempts to change that are apparently against God's will, so a restructuring of our fucked-up health care system is like trying to battle the Almighty, ultimately useless.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:56 PM
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7. He is just proving how out of touch Republicans are
My curse for Santorum is to experience something I have: hopping around on a broken ankle for a whole weekend because he can't afford an ER fee but he can afford to go to an urgent care when it opens on Monday.

My curse for Santorum and every other elitist Republican is to be poor.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:56 PM
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8. A report from 2009, estimated 45,000 do, Rick! Too bad you don't know what your're talking about.
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-09-18/health/deaths.health...

Research released this week in the American Journal of Public Health estimates that 45,000 deaths per year in the United States are associated with the lack of health insurance. If a person is uninsured, "it means you're at mortal risk," said one of the authors, Dr. David Himmelstein, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School.

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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:58 PM
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9. Take away his health insurance and his whole family's insurance.
Then he'll be singing a different tune.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:05 PM
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11. Why is Rick Santorum even in this race?
Last time he ran in an election, he had the advantage of incumbency and was even third most powerful Republican in the the Senate. He got clobbered with approximately 40% of the vote. Voters in Pennsylvania perceived Santorum as crooked, incompetent, arrogant, out of touch and just plain stupid.

Now he thinks he can be elected president?
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:06 PM
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12. Fe Fi Fo Fum
I spy the froth of Santorum
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:06 PM
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13. Where's my fucking clue-by-four?!
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 01:07 PM by sakabatou
:mad:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 11:03 PM
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36. It's busy knocking the shit out of Santorum
It will be back, eventually.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 07:13 AM
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40. To no discernible effect.

I'm always completely amazed at how so many stupid ignorant people wind up in positions of social responsibility.

It's mind-numbing.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:08 PM
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14. The lack of health 'care' is the problem. Health insurance companies are nothing more than banks
that handle money. They do not provide health care. Santorum is an unfeeling prick. Medicare for all!
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:16 PM
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16. I say let him keep talking. Let ALL of them keep talking.
NO one is buying the Reaganomicon creed except the shamelessly cruel and the hopelessly dumb.

This is how 9u11iani shot himself in the foot.

This is how Herman C999in shot himself in the foot (well, that and his bevvy of beauties).

Frothtorum is an irrelevant dust speck . . . a belch in the universe. If every month he comes out and says something shitty like this, it's all good. It's a reflection on the Party of SUCK.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:18 PM
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17. Technically he's right. It's malnutrition, disease, abuse that kills...
"Rick Santorum said that, in his opinion, lack of access to health care has no effect on America’s mortality."

This is simple to test. Let's just eliminate health care for the wealthy. It makes no difference, and will save us enormous amounts of money.

God, I wish we had the sort of legislators who would take something like this and actually introduce the bill. "Given Santorum's assertion that health care has no effect on mortality, we are outlawing both private and public health care as quackery."
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appleannie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:22 PM
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18. Santorum is a greedy idiot and that is why the people of my state got rid of him. They learned the
hard way.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:33 PM
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19. Kick
For the idiocy!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:45 PM
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20. Completely. Out. Of. Touch.
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:51 PM
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21. not an IDIOT...
he's a F^CKING IDIOT!!! there are not enough negative adjectives to describe him and his beliefs
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:21 PM
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29. idiocy has less to do with it than... being an evil bastard, period.
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libinnyandia Donating Member (526 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:57 PM
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22. He seems to think he has a chance in Iowa. Even the right wing
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 01:57 PM by libinnyandia
Republicans won't vote for him. A pastor of a big evangelical church endorsed him, in part because the pastor felt that his church members would not vote for a woman. I'm not making that up.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 02:03 PM
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23. Why can't he just go away already?
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 02:09 PM
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24. The man is an imbecile on a molecular level.
:crazy:
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 02:11 PM
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25. Then he doesn't need his.
I don't expect him to give it up anytime soon, though.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 02:43 PM
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26. Little background on Sioux Center Iowa - it has been an extremely
rethug community and that they are asking a question like that it great.
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vanlassie Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:38 PM
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30. OMG. What a leaking asshole.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:44 PM
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31. He's an idiot and so are all the nuts that vote for him.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:50 PM
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33. What a fuckwit
And people make poor decisions with respect to their health and their healthcare. And they don’t go to the emergency room or they don’t go to the doctor when they need to.”

That's because they have no insurance and therefore can't afford to go to the emergency room/doctor. This guy can't figure out such a simple fact and thinks he's competent to be president?
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 10:08 PM
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34. He's been trained from infancy to accept orthodoxy.
Facts and logic have nothing to do with it. They're incidental, and can easily be ignored if that's what the official story requires.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 11:01 PM
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35. You are truly a dick, Man on Dog Santorum
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 11:17 PM
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37. Deamonte Driver.
Deamonte Driver was just 12 years old when he died of a brain infection caused by severe tooth decay. Access to adequate dental care might have saved his life.

http://fha.maryland.gov/oralhealth/driver_project.cfm



In February, 2007, Deamonte Driver, a young boy from Prince George’s County, Maryland died from a brain infection caused by bacteria from tooth decay. Devastated by the news of Deamonte’s death, a group of Prince George's County dentists mobilized and sprang into action. With the help of many state and community leaders, the Deamonte Driver Dental Project was formed. The Deamonte Driver Project provides basic dental services to low-income students in Prince George's and Montgomery County schools.




Longer quote from the Santorum story:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/06/santorum-american...

Santorum was not willing at all to accept the student’s word, blaming Americans for their own fate instead of for-profit health insurance companies.

“Dying?” he asked. “I reject that number completely, that people die in America because of lack of health insurance. People die in America because people die in America. And people make poor decisions with respect to their health and their healthcare. And they don’t go to the emergency room or they don’t go to the doctor when they need to.”

But as that Harvard study indicates, Santorum is wrong in his assessment: Some American deaths are due to a lack of access to health care.

The 2009 Harvard study rejected by Santorum said that 45,000 annual deaths were caused by a lack of health coverage. The figure was about two and a half times higher than an estimate from the Institute from Medicine in 2002.

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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 11:41 PM
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38. They don't die because of lack of heath care,
They die because they are sick. Just like guns don't kill.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 12:32 AM
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39. Keep talking, Rick.
I love the smell of cooked goose.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 07:22 AM
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41. Scuba: Santorum is small blob of santorum. n/t
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 07:25 AM
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42. Douchebag. eom
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 07:35 AM
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43. I'm just amazed.

In a civilized society, these people should not be allowed to breathe. By 'These people', I of course mean all who reject science and reason.

They believe that science is just another competing 'faith' that they can choose to believe or not. They drive the cars that science gave them, they talk on the cell phones, they watch the TVs, they use the medicines, they reap all the benefits that the body of scientific knowledge has yielded, and then choose to ignore what science tells them if they don't like what they hear or see.

That so many people can have such strong opinions on issues they know virtually nothing about is just stunning to me.

So here's just another shitbag who, when presented with facts, decides to choose his own reality that he wants to impose on everyone else despite how harmful that reality would be.

I truly, truly hate deliberate ignorance.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 07:36 AM
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44. Fuckwad!
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 07:44 AM
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45. It's why the man will never be a governor, much less president
But, he'll always have 10-15% of the electorate in his corner
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 10:53 AM
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46. Feh
Some weasily repuke in a cubical thought up this. The rationale was "well lack of insurance didn't kill him... the cancer did." Someone needs to call Santorum on this and hammer him to the mat. I think a late night show host or a reporter.
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