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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:13 PM
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9-year old student suspended for calling teacher "cute"
9-year-old student suspended for sexual harassment after calling teacher 'cute,' mother says
Brookside Elementary in North Carolina defends action

BY Rheana Murray
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Monday, December 5 2011, 1:40 PM

The mother of a 9-year-old North Carolina boy is furious her son was suspended for calling a teacher cute, but the school says the comment was sexual harassment, WSOCTV.com reports.

Chiquita Lockett said a substitute teacher overheard her son, Emanyea, chatting with a friend when he issued the compliment about another instructor and then was sent home.

Its not like he went up to the woman and tried to grab her or touch her in a sexual way, she said. So why would he be suspended for two days?

Emanyea told the station his remarks werent inappropriate.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/9-year-old-stu...
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This is why I don't give anyone compliments anymore. You never know when you're going to get in trouble for sexual harrassment.
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Quartermass Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:16 PM
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1. I'd sue over that. I hope she does.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:19 PM
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2. I give compliments quite often...
"This is why I don't give anyone compliments anymore. You never know when you're going to get in trouble for sexual harrassment (sic)..."

I give compliments quite often, and have yet to see any negative consequences from it. I think the trick I use is merely exercising prudence and judgement prior to opening my mouth. It's an easy habit to get into.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:21 PM
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3. "It's an easy habit to get into."
You would think so, despite all evidence to the contrary.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:26 PM
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6. I suppose you're not nine though
This is just another example of a classic overreaction by a reactionary bunch of nutjobs.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:41 PM
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13. As reported here it does seem to be an overreaction by nutjobs, no argument there...
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 01:00 PM by redqueen
but the moany comment about 'this is why I don't give compliments' was not said by the nine-year-old.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:43 PM
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16. Sorry I was referring to the comment above yours
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 12:51 PM by sharp_stick
It's an easy habit to get into, not the "this is why I don't give compliments" part. I don't expect too many 9 year olds to exercise prudence and judgement before opening their mouths.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 02:02 PM
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29. I too was referring to the whiny bit
I too was referring to the whiny bit of the post "that's why I never offer compliments", not the nine-year old... kinda thought that was an obvious implication (especially obvious doe to my use of quote marks).
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:22 PM
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4. The Little Rascals would be in BIG trouble.....
Oh Miss Crabtree, I have something heavy on my heart. :loveya:
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:25 PM
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5. WTF! Pedophiles molest kids with zero consequences, except maybe a hand slap,
yet a little boy can't give an innocent compliment to his teacher without punishment! :mad:
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:29 PM
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7. Imagine the firestorm (here in DU as well as in the media)
if the teacher had called the kid "cute" ...

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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:31 PM
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8. I can imagine no such firestorm.
Sorry.
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:38 PM
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9. Let this be a lesson: always call your teacher 'ugly.'
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:39 PM
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10. My son has a crush on his kindergarten teacher.
And it's a good thing I don't share with him what *I* think.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:40 PM
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12. Thanks for sharing it all with us implicitly.
We all really care and appreciate knowing.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 04:31 AM
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43. +1 For tongue biting at the PTA.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:39 PM
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11. OFFS!!!
:banghead:
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:41 PM
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14. I'm thinking there's more to the story here.
All we have is the mom's side, not the sub's or the teacher's or the principal's, and given that their side is missing, I'm thinking there was a lot more to the comment that's been left out.

I'm more than a little jaded and just don't believe most students' stories entirely anymore unless there's corroboration from another source that's fair.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:44 PM
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17. That is an excellent point.
We only have one side of the story here, and there very well could be more.

With today's pornified society, it's not unlikely this child might have said something far more vulgar than just that he thinks the teacher is 'cute'.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:41 PM
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27. It's still not harrassment, no matter WHAT he said privately to another student.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 02:55 PM
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36. In theory, I'd agree with you.
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 02:56 PM by lumberjack_jeff
In practice, I can tell you from first hand experience that you're wrong.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 04:02 PM
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40. It really depends on what was said, doesn't it?
The kid has told his mom that all he said was that she was cute. I'm betting he said something else entirely or said that plus something else entirely, possibly with physical movements to add to what he was saying.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:56 PM
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20. I made that same comment on all these bad school/bad teacher stories for years here
Finally gave up.

What we teachers know to be the reality of these situations is not important to those who just want to bash schools and teachers.

The school can't comment due to privacy laws. So all we ever have is the outraged mom's version of events, which she got from her child who is in trouble.

I'm reminded of the girl in my class many years ago who leaned over a stair railing and dropped an encyclopedia sized book on the head of the girl she had been feuding with for days who was standing on the lower floor. Knocked her out. The book dropper went home and told her mother that she had handed her friend a book. Mom was outraged, made lots of phone calls, resulting in a meeting with the girl, her mom, the principal, a bigwig from downtown, the counselor and myself. Everyone went around the table taking turns telling what had happened. When it was the counselor's turn, she looked at this girl and said "To begin your story with 'my friend' is not honest. If she was really your friend, then why have the two of you been in my office daily for the past week trying to work out the feud you are engaged in?"

Mom turned several shades of red and took her daughter home quietly.

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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:00 PM
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21. Exactly. Mom only has one side of the story.
As difficult as it is to get a kid suspended in most schools, there's just no way it was this simple.

I've had parents suggest security cameras in all the classrooms, bathrooms, and offices so they can see the behavior, and they just don't get why that's a bad idea.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:37 PM
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25. Yup, even the article openly said it had only a second hand version of one side of the story
so i unrecommended.
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WildNovember Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 04:37 AM
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44. It makes you wonder why they'd print just on the parent's say-so.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 09:28 AM
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45. To sell papers is my guess. (nt)
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 02:03 PM
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31. i am thinking so, too. nt
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leftyohiolib Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:43 PM
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15. in '69 when i was in 2nd grade i threw up on my teacher. i went to her to tell her
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 12:49 PM by leftyohiolib
i wasnt feeling well and barfed right down the front of her blue dress. i was sent home to re-coop. hate to think what would happen today
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:48 PM
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18. Same thing--you'd get sent home to get better, and she'd change her dress.
Honestly, it's not like we don't deal with that sort of thing on a regular basis.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:04 PM
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22. Public schools have been receiving the same propagandized treatment
that liberals have been getting for decades now.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 02:04 PM
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32. You'd probably be sent home for bed rest...
Today you'd probably be sent home for bed rest also... :shrug:

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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:51 PM
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19. this is just down right loony
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:28 PM
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23. Give us this day our daily outrage
n/t
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:35 PM
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24. the school has said there were more suggestive comments to the teacher and other students
from what I'm reading, the NY Daily News article is only relying on what the mother says her son told her about the punishment.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/29927381/detail.html
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:39 PM
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26. His remarks were said privately to a third party, NOT to the teacher in question.
This is most definitely NOT sexual "harrassment" of any kind. The substitute teacher who claimed it was needs retraining in the First Amendment.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:55 PM
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28. Beaver Cleaver would be put to death
Beaver suffered from major crushes on his Grant Avenue Grammar School teachers, Miss Canfield and Miss Landers. I remember one episode in which Beaver's adolescent lust compelled him to convince his parents to invite Miss Landers for dinner so he could be with her. Beaver was amazed when Miss Landers appeared at his front door for the dinner date wearing a cocktail dress and a pair of open-toed pumps. Beaver then went nuts when he found out she was engaged, following her around to various places and bugging Miss Landers, trying to convince her not to marry her boyfriend.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 02:03 PM
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30. Some times we just do not know when to stop. My five year old great
grandson would probably say something like that. Where is there sexism in being beautiful? Now if he had said "hot" that may have sexual connotations but cute?
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libinnyandia Donating Member (526 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 02:09 PM
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33. The sad thing is that a story like that is credible in this day and
age.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 02:23 PM
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34. This thread is useless without pictures
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 02:24 PM by jberryhill
I can't tell if the comment was appropriate or not.

Is she cute?

The kid is cute.

Maybe they are both cute.

Or... maybe she's white, he's not, and that's a problem in North Carolina.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 02:51 PM
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35. Consistent with my experience.
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 02:57 PM by lumberjack_jeff
Son #2 in 8th grade was suspended for a week "for harassment" for whispering to another student about the appearance of his teacher. A third student overheard the comment and told the teacher. Before then, I didn't realize that third-party hearsay constituted harassment. Involuntarily delegated harassment, I guess.

Son #3 who has autism, commented in the 6th grade that one of his fellow students was "cute", (you'd have to know him, but he meant it in the sense that a kitten or puppy is cute). Inappropriate? Of course it was... I mean, hello? Inappropriate is kind of the defining characteristic of autism. He didn't get suspended, but he has a very hard time with the concept that some kinds of observations are not just impolite but forbidden on pain of punishment. We were given a stern warning about harassment. He apparently shouldn't be so autistic or so male.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 03:02 PM
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37. Suspending a kid like that out of the blue
is like whacking your dog on the side of the head for something it did yesterday. The kid at that age doesn't know any better and is just being themself. Taking the kid aside and trying to TEACH the kid something by explaining why it's improper is what a school is intended for. If they keep repeating the transgression after a couple of warnings then maybe a suspension might do some good.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 03:13 PM
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38. Don't get me wrong.
kid #2 was very challenging both at school and at home. The incident for which he was suspended was an opportunity for the teacher to lighten her workload. He has since graduated from a different high school, and is now attending community college; an outcome in which his parents take justified pride. With enough belligerence and refusal to quit, anything is possible.

I became convinced that the core purpose of most suspensions is to mollify teachers.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 03:14 PM
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39. Don't have these problems as we home school
:)
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 04:07 PM
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41. Update: School investigation showed no harassment took place.
So, they've apologized, will work with the student to make up for time missed, etc.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/29935344/detail.html
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 04:41 PM
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42. When did we become so fucking fragile in this country?
'Oh no, he called me cute! That's sexual harassment!' From a 9 year old? He doesn't even know what sex is. What's next, a night in jail if you get a Valentine's Day card? The kid is more mature than the adults. I hope these people live really long lives so they can see the mass of robots they helped to raise.
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