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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 06:53 PM
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what happens when a chiropractor "adjusts" your neck?
crack..pop..tink..snap..pop..pop..crack..

I went to the chiropractor today. My neck felt much better. I could not believe the sounds that came out of my neck. At first I thought I had died. But I didn't. And my neck felt better.

So what are all those sounds that occur when a chiropractor adjusts ones neck?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 06:54 PM
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1. Air and gas are released from the joints?
:shrug:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 06:54 PM
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3. I know, I know!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 06:56 PM
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8. I think that may be the case
But by God, it sounded like my neck snapped in two..
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 06:59 PM
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10. How'd it feel?
Then determine the value.

A chiropractor is as good as his/her intent.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:10 PM
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19. The adjustment didn't have any "feeling"
but I felt better afterword.
In otherwords, there was no pain during the adjustment, but I did feel better afterwords..
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 06:54 PM
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2. Mostly the table.
:)
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 06:55 PM
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4. And his wallet falling on it.
:)
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 06:55 PM
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5. She/he gets paid for your belief in the supernatural? n/t
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 06:55 PM
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6. That geek that runs FreakRepubic always reminds me
of someone with a neck problem - it's a foot tall.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 06:55 PM
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7. the "doctor" eating a famous cereal?
:hi: Good luck with getting rid of the pain!
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 06:56 PM
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9. Never let a chiropractor touch your neck...
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:02 PM
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12. Unless you're in bed naked with with them or something. n/t
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:08 PM
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18. That's a whole 'nother kind of "adjustment"...
:hi:

Sid
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:00 PM
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11. Cervical manipulation is dangerous and not worth the risk.
Edited on Fri Jan-21-11 07:04 PM by Ian David
Never let a chiropractor ever do anything except adjust the LOWER BACK on an ADULT.


See:

Chiropractic's Dirty Secret:
Neck Manipulation and Strokes
Stephen Barrett, M.D.

Stroke from chiropractic neck manipulation occurs when an artery to the brain ruptures or becomes blocked by a clot as a result of being stretched. The injury often results from extreme rotation in which the practitioner's hands are placed on the patient's head in order to rotate the cervical spine by rotating the head <1>. The vertebral artery, which is shown in the picture to the right, is vulnerable because it winds around the topmost cervical vertebra (atlas) to enter the skull, so that any abrupt rotation may stretch the artery and tear its delicate lining. The anatomical problem is illustrated on page 7 of The Chiropractic Report, July 1999. A blood clot formed over the injured area may subsequently be dislodged and block a smaller artery that supplies the brain. Less frequently, the vessel may be blocked by blood that collects in the vessel wall at the site of the dissection <2>.

Chiropractors would like you to believe that the incidence of stroke following neck manipulation is extremely small. Speculations exist that the risk of a serious complication due to neck manipulation are somewhere between one in 40,000 and one in 10 million manipulations. No one really knows, however, because (a) there has been little systematic study of its frequency; (b) the largest malpractice insurers won't reveal how many cases they know about; and (c) a large majority of cases that medical doctors see are not reported in scientific journals.
Published Reports

In 1992, researchers at the Stanford Stroke Center asked 486 California members of the American Academy of Neurology how many patients they had seen during the previous two years who had suffered a stroke within 24 hours of neck manipulation by a chiropractor. The survey was sponsored by the American Heart Association. A total of 177 neurologists reported treating 56 such patients, all of whom were between the ages of 21 and 60. One patient had died, and 48 were left with permanent neurologic deficits such as slurred speech, inability to arrange words properly, and vertigo (dizziness). The usual cause of the strokes was thought to be a tear between the inner and outer walls of the vertebral arteries, which caused the arterial walls to balloon and block the flow of blood to the brain. Three of the strokes involved tears of the carotid arteries <3>. In 1991, according to circulation figures from Dynamic Chiropractic, California had about 19% of the chiropractors practicing in the United States, which suggests that about 147 cases of stroke each year were seen by neurologists nationwide. Of course, additional cases could have been seen by other doctors who did not respond to the survey.

A 1993 review concluded that potential complications and unknown benefits indicate that children should not undergo neck manipulation <4>.

<snip>

The Bottom Line

As far as I know, most chiropractors do not warn their patients that neck manipulation entails risks. I believe they should and that the profession should implement a reporting system that would enable this matter to be appropriately studied. This might be achieved if (a) state licensing boards required that all such cases be reported, and (b) chiropractic malpractice insurance companies, which now keep their data secret, were required to disclose them to an independently operated database that has input from both medical doctors and chiropractors.

Meanwhile, since stroke is such a devastating event, every effort should be made to stop chiropractors from manipulating necks without adequate reason. Many believe that all types of headaches might be amenable to spinal manipulation even though no scientific evidence supports such a belief. Many include neck manipulation as part of "preventative maintenance" that involves unnecessarily treating people who have no symptoms. Even worse, some chiropractors—often referred to as "upper cervical specialists"—claim that most human ailments are the result of misalignment of the topmost vertebrae (atlas and axis) and that every patient they see needs neck manipulation. Neck manipulation of children under age 12 should be outlawed <33>.



More:
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chirostroke.html



See also:

Chiropractic: Does the Bad Outweigh the Good?
Samuel Homola, D.C.

Many people go to chiropractors for relief of back pain. But there is reason for caution. Much of what chiropractors do is nonsense, and they often misinform their patients.

Do you need to see a chiropractor? Many people think they do. Just about everyone thinks of a chiropractor when back pain is mentioned. There is considerable evidence that spinal manipulation can help relieve some types of neck and back pain. But neck manipulation can be dangerous. And according to a study published in the October 8, 1998, New England Journal of Medicine, spinal manipulation may be no more effective than physical therapy in the treatment of back pain and only marginally more effective than following a self-help instruction booklet. So what about chiropractic treatment? <1> Should you—or any member of your family—ever go to a chiropractor?

There is no doubt that dramatic relief of back pain will occasionally occur when manipulation is used to unlock a binding spinal joint. Many people with acute or chronic back pain experience relief of symptoms when the spine is loosened by manipulation performed by a chiropractor, an osteopath, a physical therapist, or an orthopedist. Manipulation is most readily available from chiropractors, however, and a report issued by the RAND Corporation stated that 94% of all such manipulation in the United States is done by chiropractors <2>. For this reason, many people who have back pain will visit a chiropractic office where they will experience spinal manipulation for the first time.

<snip>

A 1996 RAND report on The Appropriateness of Manipulation and Mobilization of the Cervical Spine estimated that stroke and other injuries resulting from cervical spine manipulation occurred about 1.46 times per 1,000,000 manipulations <12>. It also concluded that only 11.1% of reported indications for cervical manipulation could be labeled appropriate. A patient who receives regular, frequent, and totally unnecessary neck manipulation is subjected to greater risk. Since many cases of stroke caused by cervical manipulation have not been recognized as such, studies are being done to determine how many stroke victims had neck manipulation prior to their stroke. The incidence of stroke from cervical manipulation might be much higher than indicated in past studies. A study by the Canadian Stroke Consortium, published in the July 18, 2000, Canadian Medical Association Journal, for example, reported that stroke resulting from neck manipulation occurred in 28% of 74 cases studied <13>. Other causes were sudden neck movement of various types. The most common finding was vertebral artery dissection (splitting or tearing of arterial walls with clot formation and embolism) caused by sudden movement or rotation of the top two cervical vertebrae.

<snip>

A good chiropractor can do a lot to help you when you have mechanical-type back pain and other musculoskeletal problems. But until the chiropractic profession cleans up its act, and its colleges uniformly graduate properly limited chiropractors who specialize in neuromusculoskeletal problems, you'll have to exercise caution and informed judgment when seeking chiropractic care.

More:
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chiroeval.html


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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:04 PM
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16. Yes, I went to a chiropractor once
for my back.

He did something to my neck, which resulted in a click sound when I turned it. I freaked out and canceled all other appointments.

It took a few years for the noise to go away. Scary.
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Kceres Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:10 PM
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21. Agree completely.
There are some very good chiropractors and some very bad ones. Spinal injury is usual non-reversible so be extremely careful. I worked for a physical medicine physician for years and we would see the damage done by quacky chiros. On the other hand, the doc would also refer patients to chiropractors at times. Just make sure you ask a physician you trust to recommend one.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:39 PM
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29. Thank you for this important information. I will also add that there is a risk of stroke from a
hairdressers shampoo sink, also. Not something we are commonly told about.

http://www.stroke.org/site/PageServer?pagename=SS_MAG_so2006_web
AGain, it says "rare", yet doesn't say what the studies are.

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auntsue Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:47 PM
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33. I went to chiro - once.
The snap, crackle, pop in my neck scared ma and I didn't feel any better. I finally got referred to a physical therapist whe did some heat treatment and then did a slow pulling that relaxed and stretched my neck and oh the relief. PT s have an array of very helpful treatments and can also do manipulation. If you hurt see an MD and a PT. I"m just sayin'- - -
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:02 PM
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13. What do you call a failed Physical Therapist? A Chiropractor.
It's a scam.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:02 PM
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14. The RFID chip moves
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:03 PM
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15. I know how you feel
I was in a car accident 10 years ago (passenger) & my neck was always killing me. I did what the medical doctors suggested, including taking pain meds that did absolutely nothing (but could become addictive). I finally gave in & went to a chiro. She wouldn't do adjustments on me until she saw my x-rays & confirmed with my doctor that I didn't have fractures or breaks. She adjusted my neck one time---holy cow! It wasn't until I was on my way home that I realized I could turn my head without pain. After months of suffering, I finally had no pain.

dg
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:39 PM
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30. I have the same problem...
was 2 accidents almost 17 years ago. Major issues with my neck still, and a constant headache, which at least once a week flairs up to a migraine. When I can't take it anymore, I go to the chiro, $30. It's temporary, but it's not pain meds and there's no way I could afford any kind of surgery to fix it.
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Pancho Sanza Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:07 PM
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17. The sounds are coming from him as he thinks of P.T. Barnum
:shrug:
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:10 PM
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20. chiropractors do not deal with back pain. That is not their purpose.
Edited on Fri Jan-21-11 07:12 PM by provis99
If you want relief, go to a physical therapist; hell, see a certified masseuse. The purpose of chiropracty is to cure all ailments and diseases humans have by "adjusting" their spine. It is pure quackery of the worst sort.

Chiropracty was created by a fraud who used to sell "magnetic" medicine, who was quite probably insane.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:17 PM
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23. PT is so very expensive
I love going to pt, but it costs so much more money..
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:35 PM
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28. That's because you're getting someone with real expertise, oversight and training when you go to PT
Edited on Fri Jan-21-11 07:35 PM by Ian David
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:21 PM
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24. chiropractic
chiropractic

Chiropractic is the most significant nonscientific health-care delivery system in the United States. --William T. Jarvis, Ph.D.

....chiropractic today includes more than 60,000 practitioners that represent a wide range of positions, from the traditional subluxation theorists to reformers who are critical of subluxation theory and its related pseudoscientific claims. --Ron Good

The basic idea of classical chiropractic is that "subluxations" are the cause of most medical problems. According to classical chiropractic, a "subluxation" is a misalignment of the spine that allegedly interferes with nerve signals from the brain. However, there is no scientific evidence for spinal subluxations and none have ever been observed by medical practitioners such as orthopedic surgeons, neurosurgeons, or radiologists. On May 25, 2010, The General Chiropractic Council (GCC), a UK-wide statutory body with regulatory powers, issued the following statement:

The chiropractic vertebral subluxation complex is an historical concept but it remains a theoretical model. It is not supported by any clinical research evidence that would allow claims to be made that it is the cause of disease or health concerns.

Even so, chiropractors still maintain that spinal adjustment is the key to good health.

More:
http://www.skepdic.com/chiro.html


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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:14 PM
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22. What Really Cracks When a Chiropractor Adjusts Your Spine
Edited on Fri Jan-21-11 07:16 PM by Ian David
Note: This is from a site that advertises chiropractic services, and is NOT HONCode Certified.


What Really Cracks When a Chiropractor Adjusts Your Spine

What is that popping sound?

When the Chiropractor adjusts your spine, you probably heard some "popping" sounds, also sounds like a crack. Joints will produce a sound when gas or bubbles flow into the surrounding joints. The bones in your body are connected together with ligaments and other types of connective tissues. These joints are surrounded by a fluid called synovial fluid, which is a thick, clear-like liquid.

When the chiropractor adjusts your neck, back, or other joints, this puts pressure on those joints to pull apart and slightly separate. When this happens, the tissues are stretched and subsequently increases in volume. As this volume increases, the pressure decreases and the gases become less soluble. This forms gas through a process called cavitation. When the joint reaches a point to where it is stretched enough, the gas bubbles will burst causing the popping sound (or the "crack").

Once this gas escapes from the joint, it takes the body about 30 minutes for the gas to absorb back into the joint (thus making it possible to hear the sound again in your back is adjusted).

Is it bad for you?

When done in moderation, this cracking or popping sound is just a byproduct of the adjustment performed by the chiropractor and is safe. A study done by Raymond Brodeur and published in the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics looked at people that were habitual knuckle crackers/poppers and found that there was no correlation between how much a person pops his or her knuckles and arthritis. They did, however, find that there were other types of damage to the soft tissues due to the constant stretching.

More:
http://hubpages.com/hub/What-Really-Cracks-When-a-Chiropractor-Adjusts-Your-Spine





See also:


<snip>

4. Popping Normal Backs

As a general rule, chiropractic treatment, or manipulative treatment for back pain, should be discontinued when symptoms disappear and you are feeling well. It is not necessary to continue with occasional spinal adjustments unless you have a structural problem that causes chronic back pain that can be temporarily relieved with manipulation. Frequent and unnecessary manipulation may do more harm than good, causing you to seek treatment for symptoms caused by the manipulation.

Normal spinal joints often make popping sounds when the joint surfaces are forcefully separated by manipulation.

Chiropractic patients often interpret these sounds as movement of vertebrae that are out of place. Some chiropractors use the popping sound to encourage patients to return for regular spinal adjustments in order to "maintain vertebral alignment." While such treatment has a strong placebo effect, it is misleading and tends to perpetuate illness or fear of illness.

More:
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chiroeval.html
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:23 PM
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25. thanks for the reply
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:34 PM
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27. No problem. I'll just bill it as "extra consultation time." n/t
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:25 PM
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26. That's the sound of your insurance being billed three times
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:44 PM
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31. I had it once - almost broke my neck!
Follow your DR's advice - and best of luck!
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 07:45 PM
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32. Just one question..................
Did you ever see a rich person go to a chiropractor? These con artists make their living fleecing the poor with mumbo jumbo and bogus treatments. Like someone said a physical therapist is expensive and forces people with no insurance to try chiropractors who can only accomplish a little temporary relief like a massage. The popping you hear is cavitation bubbles popping like when you pop your knuckles. It's all a show. One of the worst things about chiropractors is I have seen people that go to them get screwed on workman comp claims because they have no professional standing in court to counter the insurance companies. So the insurance companies win twice between paying less and keeping out of possible larger settlements down the road.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 08:43 PM
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34. if you have rotator cuff surgery you`ll find out about adjustments.
Edited on Fri Jan-21-11 08:43 PM by madrchsod
it`s the muscles hold your neck in place...
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 08:49 PM
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35. Yoga works wonders as well.
I've had back issues since I was a child. My job as a surgical nurse requires me to be on my feet sometimes 12 to 14 hours a day.

Yoga seems to be the only thing that has helped with back and leg pain. I try to go atleast two times a week. If I miss, I can tell.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 08:51 PM
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36. thanks for the reply
peace and low stress..
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