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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 06:57 PM
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Seriously, don't go to Alabama --even with docs, you get arrested under the new immigration law
Edited on Fri Dec-02-11 07:30 PM by CreekDog
And me, since my current and valid driver's license was obtained without any proof of US Citizenship or legal residence (California 1987, perfectly legal then and never required since then) I assume it won't be good enough.

Also, on principle, I refuse to show my passport for a traffic stop. that just ain't f**** happening.

I'm an American citizen and cannot be prosecuted for not proving I'm a citizen.

But to avoid all the kerfuffle, I recommend just staying the heck out of there if that's a feasible option.

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To arrest one foreign car-making executive under Alabama's new tough immigration laws may be regarded as a misfortune; to arrest a second looks like carelessness.

A judge has acted to put a Japanese employee of Honda Motor Company out of his misery by dismissing immigration charges against him, three days after he was booked under Alabama's new immigration laws that have been billed as the most swingeing in America. Ichiro Yada is one of about 100 Japanese managers of the company on assignment in southern state.

Yada was stopped in Leeds, Alabama, at a checkpoint set up by police to catch unlicenced drivers. He was ticketed on the spot, despite the fact that he showed an international driver's licence, a valid passport and a US work permit.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/02/alabama-car...

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Leeds Mayor Eric Patterson stood by the officer's decision to arrest the Honda employee on Monday night during a license checkpoint on U.S. 78 in Leeds.

Patterson said Yada was ticketed for driving without a valid license and was arrested for being in violation of a section of Alabama's immigration law that requires everyone to have a valid license while driving.

City officials said he was released on a signature bond at the checkpoint and was not taken to jail. There was a magistrate at the checkpoint.

The immigration law amended another law on driving without a license to require officers to arrest a driver if police can't verify that the driver has been issued a valid license.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/12/charge_dismissed_ag...
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:05 PM
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1. he was ticketed not arrested and the ticket was dismissed
Edited on Fri Dec-02-11 07:06 PM by pitohui
i agree that it was pure stupidity that he was ticketed with all those documents right there to show the apparently poorly trained officers but you cannot avoid an entire state out of fear of encountering a stupid-ass cop who writes a bad ticket

there are stupid-ass cops who write bad tickets in all 50 states, you take a risk every time you get behind the wheel

the guardian and that british humor is amused about this particular bad ticket, but there are probably thousands of bullshit tickets written to drivers every day all across america that get no publicity and will never be in the news

i live near a town in louisiana where once in the 1990s the entire police department had to be arrested, because they'd written so many bad tickets and confiscated so many guns/drugs from people over the years, it was killing business, because the speed limit was 25 miles per hour but even if you went 15, they would say you were doing more and stop you for speeding so they could see if you had anything worth stealing




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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:09 PM
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3. No, you are incorrect, he was arrested--the law states that you have to *PROVE* you're a citizen
Edited on Fri Dec-02-11 07:22 PM by CreekDog
So if I don't cough up my passport, they can ticket/arrest whatever.

And nevermind that even the idea that they are setting up checkpoints/dragnets to check your "papers" is ridiculous.

You know what, I don't need to go to Alabama and frankly, with what they've passed down there, it is perfectly reasonable and rational for people who don't need to go there to stay out.

If they want my money or the money of those that agree with me, then they might try not instituting Nazi type (and that's what it really is, when you're randomly checking papers of everyone) rules.

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Leeds Mayor Eric Patterson stood by the officer's decision to arrest the Honda employee on Monday night during a license checkpoint on U.S. 78 in Leeds.

Patterson said Yada was ticketed for driving without a valid license and was arrested for being in violation of a section of Alabama's immigration law that requires everyone to have a valid license while driving.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/12/charge_dismissed_ag...
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:10 PM
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4. Place I grew up had a 4 mph speed limit trap. n/t
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 11:05 PM
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19. Sounds like Livingston
I avoided that entire parish when I lived in Baton Rouge. That's Klan country, no place for a gay dude.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:08 PM
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2. Seems I'm developing a list of states (or parts thereof) I never want to drive through, really. n/t
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:35 PM
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12. Me too.
They execute innocent people in Georgia and Texas. I don't want to set foot in either one. Alabama? I won't be going there anytime soon.
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 10:43 PM
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18. Is stay north of the Mason- Dixon line a good choice east of the Missisippi River ?
Out west seeems a crap shoot
Texas / Arizona would make the list and Idaho I heard has a lot of militia groups
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 11:12 PM
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20. Add Mississippi
I was in the back seat of a car driven by a friend. He was *almost* one mile over the limit on the Interstate. Two of the hottest, Colt-model cops got the three of us out, separated and interrogated us, pilfered in the trunk a bit, then let us go with a "warning".

I was never so scared in all my life. All I could hear in my head was screaming banjo music.

I almost flipped totally out when I found out my friend was holding. (I was all **Don't you EVER** do something that stupid again!) By a near miracle ("nothing in here worth stealing" I'm guessing) the cop didn't find it.

There's a section in southern MS where the handsomest cops you ever saw finely filling out a uniform would prey on gay men, coerce them into a sex act, then when the cop "got complete satisfaction" *THEN* they'd arrest the mark for indecent exposure or public sex or some such shit. It was legendary.

I'm keeping my gay ass FAR from MS ever, ever, ever again.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:12 PM
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5. Meh. I'm actually in Alabama. I'm working here and not worried.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:14 PM
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6. Of course you're not worried --you support the law anyway
you've defended even the unconstitutional parts of it.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:27 PM
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8. Let me guess, you're lily white, right?
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:31 PM
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9. that poster supported the immigration law when it was passed and w/o knowing what was in it
:eyes:
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:34 PM
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11. Yep, more evidence then that he's a privileged white male.
Edited on Fri Dec-02-11 07:35 PM by Lionessa
Since nearly all rules/laws that limit anything are geared to not bother privileged white males, they tend to be the group that embraces sanctioned bigotry, misogyny, and so on because they know it will never bother their lives one iota.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:37 PM
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13. I've been in Alabama for *almost* 3 whole weeks.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 08:05 PM
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15. White Power!
:sarcasm:

Policies that are designed to target minority ethnicities are racist. These policies are going to fuck over a lot of poor people.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:26 PM
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7. recommend.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:47 PM
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14. Any more of this, and it becomes a job-killer, if Honda decides to relocate
Nice going, teabaggers!
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 10:16 PM
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17. It's a Job-Killer Already
Even if Honda and Mercedes-Benz don't shutter the auto plants they already built, who is going to build ANYTHING in Alabama now?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 08:40 PM
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16. As I understand it, the German executive had only a German ID, not a license
Edited on Fri Dec-02-11 08:44 PM by rocktivity
But since the Japanese driver "showed an international driver's licence, a valid passport and a US work permit," the ticketing absolutely should have have happened.

:headbang:
rocktivity
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