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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 11:59 AM
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> Tell the Senate NO to Indefinite Military Detention - which includes Americans living in the US
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 12:14 PM by avaistheone1
The Defense Authorization bill is now on the Senate floor with troubling provisions that would give the President and all future presidents the authority to indefinitely imprison people, without charge or trial, both abroad and inside the United States and would mandate military detention of some civilians who would otherwise be outside of military control. The indefinite detention without charge or trial provisions are so harmful that the Obama White House has threatened to veto the bill if they are not removed from it.

Urge your senators to vote YES on the Udall amendment to the Defense Authorization bill which would remove the harmful provisions from the bill and in their place, mandate a process for Congress to use an orderly process to consider whether any detention legislation is needed.

https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=...






The Senate is scheduled to vote on the bill this week.
UPDATE: ACLU just stated that this is being rushed for a vote. Vote will take place today at approx.at 2 p.m. EST



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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:10 PM
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1. ** This will get a vote about 2pm or 2:15 pm EST today. **
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 12:15 PM by avaistheone1
It being discussed right now by the ACLU on the Thom Hartmann Show.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:11 PM
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3. "The Hill" says there will be a vote tomorrow.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:18 PM
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5. Eric, ACLU just stated a moment ago on Thom's show that the vote will take place in about
an hour.


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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:32 PM
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6. OK. (NT)
NT
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:10 PM
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2. K&R (NT)
NT
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:14 PM
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4. K&R
Not much time left to call.
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T S Justly Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:51 PM
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7. No...
Both proposals are bloated. And ask Scott Olsen how our current
state of civil liberties protected him.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:52 PM
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8. False headline. The bill specifically excludes American citizens and LPRs.
That's Lawful Permanent Residents, meaning green card holders.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:58 PM
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10. Exclusion is from Sec.1032 only, not from Sec. 1013
The ACLU's update explains:


UPDATE: Dont be confused by anyone claiming that the indefinite detention legislation does not apply to American citizens. It does. There is an exemption for American citizens from the mandatory detention requirement (section 1032 of the bill), but no exemption for American citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely detain people without charge or trial (section 1013 of the bill). So, the result is that, under the bill, the military has the power to indefinitely imprison American citizens, but it does not have to use its power unless ordered to do so.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-dem...


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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:09 PM
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11. I think you(they) mean section 1031 - sect 1013 is about anti-drug reporting. nt
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:46 PM
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13. Good catch, thanks
The ACLU had the digits transposed. Section 1031 is the correct section.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:56 PM
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9. Done. This bill is horrible. Indefinite "detention" and it militarizes
local police work even more because if a person is suspected of terrorist associations, it requires them to be turned over to the military -- and the Feds get to define who is a terrorist.
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T S Justly Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:13 PM
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12. stripping out bad provisions of a bad bill
still leaves us with a bad bill. Either version constitutes
a wet dream for the Pentagon. By the way, the civi liberties
threatened by the inclusion of the "bad" provisions? Already
gone, sorry to say.

Looks like another attempt by our calculating Congress to
pull a bait and switch and get us to accept (with relief, sadly enough) another
boated budget request from the DoD.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:05 PM
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14. The martial law provisions kept in Defense bill by Senate.
37-61 vote to remove.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:40 PM
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15. Roll Call: "Yea" means remove martial-law sections of the bill.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/...

Alphabetical by Senator Name


Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Nay
Ayotte (R-NH), Nay
Barrasso (R-WY), Nay
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Begich (D-AK), Not Voting
Bennet (D-CO), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea
Blunt (R-MO), Nay
Boozman (R-AR), Nay
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Brown (R-MA), Nay
Burr (R-NC), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Nay
Chambliss (R-GA), Nay
Coats (R-IN), Nay
Coburn (R-OK), Nay
Cochran (R-MS), Nay
Collins (R-ME), Nay
Conrad (D-ND), Nay
Coons (D-DE), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Nay
Cornyn (R-TX), Nay
Crapo (R-ID), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Franken (D-MN), Yea
Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Nay
Grassley (R-IA), Nay
Hagan (D-NC), Nay
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Nay
Heller (R-NV), Nay
Hoeven (R-ND), Nay
Hutchison (R-TX), Nay
Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Isakson (R-GA), Nay
Johanns (R-NE), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Johnson (R-WI), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kirk (R-IL), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Nay
Kyl (R-AZ), Nay
Landrieu (D-LA), Nay
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Lee (R-UT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (ID-CT), Nay
Lugar (R-IN), Nay
Manchin (D-WV), Nay
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
McCaskill (D-MO), Nay
McConnell (R-KY), Nay
Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
Merkley (D-OR), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Moran (R-KS), Nay
Murkowski (R-AK), Not Voting
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Nay
Paul (R-KY), Yea
Portman (R-OH), Nay
Pryor (D-AR), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Risch (R-ID), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Rubio (R-FL), Nay
Sanders (I-VT), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Nay
Shaheen (D-NH), Nay
Shelby (R-AL), Nay
Snowe (R-ME), Nay
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Tester (D-MT), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Nay
Toomey (R-PA), Nay
Udall (D-CO), Yea
Udall (D-NM), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Nay
Warner (D-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Nay
Wicker (R-MS), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Yea

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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:43 PM
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16. Done! And who exactly are the monsters behind this monstrosity?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:46 PM
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17. Lindsay Graham & Carl Levin wrote it.
Scott Brown & Joe Lieberman voted for it.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:07 PM
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18. Thanks. Just shameful. HOWEVER...
...it goes to show that they are AFRAID of #Occupy. That, and that they probably have "larger" plans around the martial law issue...
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:26 PM
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19. The wicked are ever stricken to the core with fear.
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