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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:42 PM
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The deregulation of Fracking that was passed during the GOP stranglehold
on the government back in the early '00's needs to be revisited.

The idea that the shit these companies inject into the rock to squeeze out the gas or oil trapped inside is poisonous scares the living bejeebeeze out of me. Under these provisions these companies were allowed to keep secret this chemical gumbo for what ever reason Cheney and his ilk decided.

They are injecting this shit under the ground that also holds water. It is getting into the water table in many places. Witness the burning tap water that was shown on the Maddow show the other night.

Perhaps this should be a litmus test given to all the people running for congress.

Try to force them, democrat or republican, to promise to get to the bottom of this.

The only way we can have any sway over these environmental criminals is to force them to divulge their chemical stew through an act of congress.

I don't think the courts are an option because that would take a liability case and I believe many of the people that are now faced with burning tap water are bound by agreement not to force the issue.

Anyway, I'm sure going to ask who ever my congressperson is in 2012, redistricting kicked our ass here in Ohio, to work on it and pronto.

We are blessed with an abundance of clean fresh water here in the midwest, why should we jeopardize it just to make more money for a bunch of Wall Street 1%.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:52 PM
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1. My congressman, Maurice Hinchey of NY, already is trying to change this
He is co-author of the FRAC Act, and just came out with a statement today, rejecting the NYS DEC draft SGEIS on fracking. Read the whole article here: http://hinchey.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&v...

Hinchey's one of he good guys! We have to keep him in Congress! Oh, and he's no millionaire either!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:54 PM
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2. Meanwhile, Gov. "Koch Bros. Puppet" Cuomo ended the moratorium on fracking in NY this summer.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 11:16 PM
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3. He's a cuomo in name only...
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:14 AM
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6. Nope, you do not have correct information.
Cuomo WANTS to end the moratorium, but the DEC and such have to have a plan, WITH the input of WE THE PEOPLE! As public opinion moves against fracking, Cuomo is changing his tune a bit.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:30 PM
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9. "Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York moved to lift the states yearlong moratorium on fracking"
Edited on Sat Nov-19-11 05:32 PM by ClarkUSA
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/20/magazine/fracking-amw...

My language was not precise enough for you, but my implication is clear.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 09:22 PM
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10. The NEXT SENTENCE negates that...
"Following a series of hearings this month, New York will decide whether to allow fracking early next year."

Those hearings are ongoing. It is up to DEC now, and out of the governor's wheelhouse. The longer this drags on, the more regulation that is demanded, the more it's gonna cost the gas companies to drill. I recently heard on the radio, that a few of them are reconsidering fracking in NY, because it may be too expensive for them!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 11:26 PM
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4. k&r..
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43to42 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 11:54 PM
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5. Frack
Source please????? Fracking was never regulated at the Federal
level, nor should it be.... The several states did quite well
over the last 60 year........ Just cause you just heard of
it, does not mean it is satan in flesh........
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:16 AM
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7. Check out the link that I provided for sources.
Hinchey has plenty on his site. Oh, and Fracking hasn't been going on for "over the last 60 years" as you state. It's a newer process.
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43to42 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:59 PM
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8. Fracked
Sorry you are just plain WRONG!!! My Grandfather did one of the first fracks in this area in August 1948, My father work on wells being fracked from the 50'to the 90's and I have been around or on over 500 frack jobs since 1977......... You clearly are mistaken on this point, so I guess the rest of your thoughts or facts on the subject are just as vapid........
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 09:26 PM
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11. Perhaps vertical fracking, but that's not what they are doing.
We are talking about horizontal hydraulic fracturing, not vertical. When you drill half a mile horizontally, you need more pressure to fracture the formation. It's a matter of physics. They first started fracturing vertically in the early 40s in the US. They pumped water down the well to bring up more oil. Then they used other fluids, but it was only straight down, not down than over.
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