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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 08:37 AM
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Blue Dogs break with Dems on balanced-budget amendment
Edited on Thu Nov-17-11 08:40 AM by chill_wind


Blue Dogs break with Dems on balanced-budget amendment
By Russell Berman - 11/16/11 08:30 PM ET

The conservative-Democrat Blue Dog Coalition officially endorsed the House Republican balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution, breaking with Democratic Party leaders and the White House.
The support from the 25-member bloc keeps GOP hopes alive that the measure, scheduled for a final vote Friday, could gain the two-thirds support necessary to pass.

We were advancing a balanced-budget amendment when balanced-budget amendments werent cool, a co-chairman of the coalition, Rep. Mike Ross (D-Ark.), told reporters on a conference call.

Another Blue Dog leader, Rep. Jim Matheson (D-Utah), said he expected a significant majority of members to support the amendment, and sent a blunt warning to Blue Dogs who might oppose it.

The decision to endorse the measure puts the Blue Dogs directly at odds with the Democratic leadership and with a longtime ally of the coalition, Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer (Md.). Hoyer supported a similar amendment when it gained 300 House votes in 1995, but he is opposing it now because he said he cannot trust the Republican Party to make responsible fiscal decisions and waive the requirement in an emergency.



http://thehill.com/homenews/house/194023-blue-dogs-brea...

I haven't checked for position statements from the Third Way/New Dem sites, but it seems likely there will be some ample overlap there with that bloc as well.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 08:41 AM
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1. The fuc*ing blue dogs have destroyed the Democratic party, and why it is where it is today
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 09:51 AM
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17. K&R
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:23 AM
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24. Blue Dogs, New Democrats... by any name they are known
they are indeed the reason for the situation we're in now.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 06:54 PM
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42. Just say Turd Way and we'll no the cast of fuckwits you are speaking of in all their flavors
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 08:41 AM
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2. fuck em
They are falling into the republicans trap of only being "very concerned" about balanced budgets when a Democrat is in the White House. Where were all these budget hawks when Bush was spending like a Las Vegas gambler.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 09:02 AM
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6. yes. nt
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 08:53 AM
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3. DINO's. n/t
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 08:55 AM
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4. Blue Dogs?? Call them what they are: Republicans running on a D ticket.
Let's not forget, Democrats have the majority of the American people behind them. The GOP knows this. So, not having the numbers to retain power in our government, they run one of their own as a Democrat; one who will always vote with them on important issues, and against Democrats on those very same, important issues.

Blue Dogs: the quintessential Manchurian pol.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:10 AM
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20. +1 you are so right
:thumbsup:
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:21 AM
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23. My cynical side believes that this is part of the repuke strategy to infiltrate the Democratic party
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 03:56 PM
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34. I don't put it past them. They do it all the time on other levels
like that woman who taped Senator Obama saying that bitter and loving their guns and religion thing. She was there, as a Democrat. Tell me, what Democrat would want to put the candidate for president in that precarious situation where she *knows* it'll be twisted by corporate media?

I can list a LOT of other occurrences, but I'll have to look in my archive.

This is about a LOT of power and control of the most powerful country in the world. It's not impossible to believe they'll do whatever it takes to keep as much power for their corporate masters as they can.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:41 AM
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30. Blue Dogs?? Call them what they are: Imposters. nt
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 06:50 PM
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41. The GOP infiltrated w Bill Clinton (Jackson Stephens financed his campaign)
I held my nose and voted for Clinton and now am partially responsible for the repeal of Glass Steagall, MFN status for China, Telecom Act of '96, free trade shifting a mercian jobs. I will NEVER vote for another POS faux D again. Evar!
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 08:01 PM
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43. The Gramm-Leach-Blilely Act passed with veto-proof majorities in Congress
but I don't know if the President is still obligated to sign the bill into law. Could President Clinton have refused to sign it if he so chose?

But you're right about President Clinton, although I'd place the lion's share of the blame on so-called Democrats in Congress. They're the ones who keep giving the GOP what they want. It should make us wonder if they're really Dems, or are they Republicans elected with D's beside their names just to get elected?

The U.S. government is the most powerful government in the world, and a lot's at stake. I wouldn't put it past the GOP to push Republicans to run as Democrats.

If you can't beat'em (the majority of the country is Progressive, not REgressive), infiltrate, join'em and blow them up from the inside out.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 08:55 AM
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5. The US has a 1 1/2 party system.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 09:36 AM
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16. Throw in Third Way
on most matters and I'm not sure we have even that.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 09:04 AM
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7. That would ensure depression.
Learn some economics, dopes.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 09:05 AM
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8. And the opposition to a balanced budget is?
Edited on Thu Nov-17-11 09:10 AM by RB TexLa
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 09:10 AM
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10. Wrong bat-time. Wrong bat-channel. nt
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 09:16 AM
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12. You're seriously asking?
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Philosopher King Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 09:25 AM
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14. Because it will ultimately end the practice of stealing bacon from the future.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:37 AM
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28. delete- wrong place
Edited on Thu Nov-17-11 10:38 AM by chill_wind
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Philosopher King Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:13 AM
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22. *
Edited on Thu Nov-17-11 10:13 AM by Philosopher King
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:39 AM
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29. This is a Tea Party wet dream. Why are you supporting this? And it appears that you are.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 09:10 AM
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50. Looks familiar.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:42 AM
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33. There isn't any objection to a balanced budget.
What people object to is that "balanced budget" is now a dog whistle that means "Fuck the poor and middle class as hard and fast as humanly possible.".

Any time you hear someone say "I think we should balance the budget", what follows will inevitably be demands for cuts to every social welfare program, infrastructure program, and non-military R&D program.

Asking "And the opposition to a balanced budget is?" is like asking why someone objects to patriotism because they oppose the Patriot Act.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 10:57 PM
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48. The opposition to the balanced budget amendment is only logical
This is it:

http://goodlatte.house.gov/system/uploads/92/original/H...

It allows Congress to ignore it with a three-fifths majority vote in both houses.
It requires a three-fifths majority in both houses to raise the debt ceiling
It requires a "rollcall vote" for tax increases
It allows the amendment to be ignored when there's a war going on, and since there ALWAYS seems to be a war going on...
It defines "outlays" as "all outlays of the US Government except for those for repayment of debt principal."

I interpret it as a very-difficult-to-get-rid-of way to completely destroy the government.
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Huey P. Long Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 09:06 AM
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9. Of course they have! I guess the WH and country have no choice now but to go along.
More pain ahead for the 99%.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 09:15 AM
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11. I am a bit surprised they don't have this part in it:
"This amendment is only to be enforced during times when a Democratic Party member is President. When a Republican Party member is President, this Amendment shall be put on hiatus until their term ends"
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 09:20 AM
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13. Blue Dogs are not Democrats; they are Republicans.
nt
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 09:33 AM
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15. How about an amendment to keep households...
from borrowing, too?

If the government can't borrow on the future, why should households be able to?

Let's call it the "Balanced Household Budget" amendment.

That should put the final nail in the coffin of the housing and consumer market.
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:03 AM
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18. Because they're NOT "Dems" - they're Republicans.
They ought to just drop the damn pretense and switch parties - stop undermining the DEMOCRATIC party.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:03 AM
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19. Remember when Rahm backed these assholes against progressive opponents?
In some situations, that choice blew up in their faces right away--think Blanche Lincoln & Bill Halter. In other cases, like right now, we're paying for that strategy on the installment plan, and the balloon payment just came due.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:12 AM
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21. CBPP
November 15, 2011
PROGRAM CUTS UNDER A BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT:
HOW SEVERE MIGHT THEY BE?
By Richard Kogan

Read the analysis at the link (6 pages)

http://www.cbpp.org/files/11-15-11bud.pdf
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:26 AM
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25. This still has to pass the Senate by 2/3 vote I presume?
:shrug:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 04:02 PM
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37. I thought the vote had happened and it failed.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 06:14 PM
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39. It did today
This thread was started earlier this week.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 06:39 PM
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40. HHmmm. thanks. Don't know how I came to it.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:27 AM
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26. This is the exact reason we ned a third party that represents the poor and working
class.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:35 AM
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27. Corporate whores. "support from the 25-member bloc keeps GOP hopes alive"
Blue Dog support keeps the Republican Party alive.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:41 AM
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31. Maybe this is a good reason to not just vote for someone because there is a D after the name, no? n
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 10:42 AM
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32. A little more background
Balanced-Budget Amendment: Fix or Fantasy?
By Joseph J. Schatz, CQ Staff

http://public.cq.com/docs/weeklyreport/weeklyreport-000...
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vcc Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 04:00 PM
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35. does anybody have a list of which ones?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 04:02 PM
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36. I thought the vote had been taken and it failed.
Blue Dogs need to be voted out.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 10:09 PM
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45. Blue Dogs aren't going anywhere unless people run against them.
I'd feel a little more optimistic about the future of this country if there were more threads at DU discussing a broad range of viable candidates. Beyond Elizabeth Warren, there doesn't seem to be too much out there.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 04:03 PM
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38. *** This article WRITTEN 11/16/11 08:30 PM ET ***
It is now 11/18/11


The vote FAILED !!!
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 10:01 PM
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44. Blue Dog Congresspeople: "Even though we can't pass a balanced budget
we're going to try to force future Congresses to do so."

Not to say that imposing austerity measures during an economic downturn is a good idea. I'm just saying that it's childish and stupid for Congress to demand that their future counterparts do something they're unwilling to do now.
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StreetKnowledge Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 10:12 PM
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46. Forget All of the Idiots.
Every one of these dirtbags. They are playing the game, allowing the GOP's War on America. All of these people should be tossed out on their asses.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 10:13 PM
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47. Of course they do. nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 10:59 PM
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49. So how shocked should I pretend to be?
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 09:16 AM
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51. Blue Dogs support Dems on ANY economic legislation is the only news worth reporting.
The Blue Dogs routinely vote against traditional Democratic economic policy positions.

They are right wingers to the core.

Blue Dogs, and New Dems, and Thirds, Oh My!

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