All the anger should be directed at Sandusky and ...

[Tx4obama]

Paterno's BOSS that dropped the ball.

I find it strange that the name 'Sandusky' is barely even being said in the media.

What is the name of Paterno's boss - the guy that Paterno told - they guy that was responsible for calling the police?
Where is the anger at HIM for not calling the police?

[Zoeisright]

1. Bullshit.

Paterno should have called the police. His position requires him to be a mandated reporter. That means when he SUSPECTS any type of child abuse, he MUST call the police. IMMEDIATELY.

Educate yourself before posting such tripe.

[MADem]

4. I have to agree with you. If you know a little kid is being raped and all you

do is tell someone who has an interest in covering that up, you're not doing shit.

The appropriate response to that knowledge was "911."

[emilyg]

19. Exactly

[ellisonz]

2. Paterno knew and did not notify authorities.

He should face criminal charges.

[Mz Pip]

23. Agreed

I worked in education for 20 years and we were required to report child abuse to the authorities. THere was a clear process and it's pretty obvious that any kind of required protocol was not followed in this case.

[valerief]

3. Why couldn't Paterno call the police? I thought it was the responsibility of citizens

who are aware of a crime to report it to the police.

[Bill McBlueState]

6. He reported it to the campus VP who oversaw the campus police

That sounds like 'reporting it to the police' to me. I know that doesn't actually satisfy anyone.

[valerief]

15. No. They're not the police. nt

[Bill McBlueState]

20. i don't know what to say

The campus police. <-- See, police.

[valerief]

21. They're rent-a-cops. nt

[Bill McBlueState]

25. nope

Campus police have the same authority as any other police. I've spent enough time on college campuses to know that.

[valerief]

27. Okay, thanks. nt

[fishwax]

24. The VP of Finance and Business isn't the police

He's not only not the police, he's not even the direct supervisor of the police department's director. (There is an Assistant VP for Police and Public Safety.)

[Bill McBlueState]

29. well, ok

Far be it from me to understand university administration. I *think* that's why Paterno contacted that VP, though. In his mind that counted as contacting the police.

[fishwax]

33. for the record, I'm not sure Paterno even actually contacted the VP

That has been reported and/or repeated, but it isn't in the grand jury report. The report says that McQueary told Paterno and Paterno called Curley (the AD) the next day. Then Curley and Schultz met with McQueary a week and a half later. The first mention of Schultz in the grand jury's account is when McQueary was called to the meeting with Curley and Schultz.

[Tx4obama]

35. So, has McQueary been fired yet for not calling the police? n/t

[fishwax]

36. nope n/t

[rhett o rick]

7. How could Paterno live with himself knowing what was going on. nm

[Tx4obama]

12. Paterno did NOT witness anything. He was only told what someone else said they saw.

He did the proper thing by reporting it to the person that was his superior/boss.

It would have been different if Paterno had witnessed what happened - but he didn't.


Edited to fix typo.

[tuckessee]

28. The right thing would've been to order the witness to contact the police ASAP.

Paterno washed his hands by passing the buck up the chain of command where he knew (and hoped) it would be buried.

[Tx4obama]

31. Well then blame the 'witness' for not calling the police.

I don't hear anyone calling for his head!

[tuckessee]

37. I agree. The witness is a worthless POS for not contacting the police immediately.

And I heard a few sports radio talking heads say essentially the same thing today.

The witness was more concerned about his job at Penn State than the victim of the rape. It says a lot about the culture at Penn State where this witness thought that making waves about the violent rape of a child might endanger his career.

[frylock]

40. that's because you're not listening..

mcquery's contract will be terminated by end of week if not tomorrow.

[Tx4obama]

39. Why aren't you blaming the witness instead? It was the witness that allegedly saw something

not Paterno.

Paterno had no 'proof' of a crime - Paterno only knew that a third party told him something, he did not know if it was true or not.

Why aren't folks angry at the 'witness' that said he saw something and then didn't call the police?

Why aren't folks hollering for him to be fired?

[frylock]

41. folks are..

get off du and read some sports sites.

[rhett o rick]

5. Disagree. There is enough anger to spread around. Paterno knew and did nothing.

Telling his boss doesnt get him off the hook. When the boss did nothing he should have taken steps. At least he should have resigned in lieu of working for a program that protects child abusers.

[Tx4obama]

18. Bull. Paterno did not witness anything - he was only told something by someone ...

and Paterno had no proof that the guy telling him was telling the truth.
Paterno reported what he was told to his boss, it was the responsibility of his boss to call the police and or find out the truth of what happened.

[frylock]

42. you don't seem to have a grasp of the magnitude of these crimes..

joepa wasn't told about somebody witnessing a car break-in.

[rhett o rick]

43. How sad. This isnt about cheating in class. Paterno as a coach has an obligation

to watch out for the safety of children. He should have told the police what he knew and let them determine if it was true. He knew his boss was neglecting to investigate. He should have confronted the guy. And if his boss refused to investigate, he should have resigned.

Those that know and dont tell share equal responsibility.

[ScreamingMeemie]

8. They all...every last one of them... have the destruction of innocence

on their hands. They know it, and so should you.

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/9/2549908/jerry-sandusky-investigation-timeline-rumors

[fishwax]

9. plenty of anger to go around n/t

[rufus dog]

10. Sandusky is a flaming piece of shit

No defense for him.

Jo-Pa stayed silent for years and Sandusky was even slated to be the coach after Paterno.

There is no defense of Paterno

FUCKING NONE!

He got exactly what was deserved.

Ask yourself, how would you feel if your 10 year old kid went to a Penn State sanctioned football camp ran by Sandusky.

[Bill McBlueState]

11. Nobody outside of college football has ever heard of Jerry Sandusky

People like to pile on the one they've heard of.

[gratuitous]

13. Sandusky will face criminal charges in a court of law

Whatever he has coming to him will be in accordance with regular rules of criminal and court procedure. Should Paterno continue to enjoy an elevated position of prestige and respect after such a colossal and ongoing failure?

[elleng]

14. I agree.

[Atman]

16. They were ALL responsible for calling the police!

You don't turn a blind eye when you know of a child rape taking place, and just hope someone else would take care of it. When Sandusky remained on the job, it had to have been clear to Paterno that no one else had taken any action. Stop making excuses for these criminals.

[liberalmuse]

17. Right now I'm angry at people who are defending Paterno.

And the students rioting not for victims of rape, but for the people who turned a blind eye to it. A coach who knows their assistant is raping kids in their football locker room and does nothing more than tell their boss and wash their hands of the matter is a piece of shit who is complicit in the rape.

[Politicalboi]

22. IMO the right thing to do

Was to beat the shit out of the scum, and then call the police. Whoever witnessed this.

[LynneSin]

26. You're talking about Tom Curley - he was arrested right away and stripped of his job

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-09/penn-state-s-curley-stripped-of-award.html

Penn State’s Athletic Director Stripped of Award After Child-Sex Scandal

Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley was stripped of an award for administrative excellence less than a week after he was accused of helping to cover up a child-sex scandal involving a former assistant football coach.

The National Football Foundation and College Football Hall of Fame said in a statement that it decided to vacate the John L. Toner Award that Curley was chosen to receive in June.

It didn’t mention Curley by name or give a reason for its decision. The awards dinner is set for Dec. 6 in New York.

Curley, 57, took a leave of absence from Penn State two days ago after being charged with perjury and failure to report allegations of child sexual abuse by former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky on university grounds.

Point is he was one of the first to go but anyone in that chain of command starting with the grad student now WR Coach at PSU who witnessed the act - all of them are responsible.

It's simple - you see an adult having sex with a minor - you call the cops.

[Angry Dragon]

32. +1000

[Angry Dragon]

30. The graduate assistant that witnessed it should have gotten

the child to safety.
In most states educators have a legal obligation to report such crimes
He told his boss
Joe should have done more and followed up
The two people above him should have done more
The president should have done more
The school knew something was going on
They put sanctions on the ex coach
The board probably even knew

[Tikki]

34. A reported incidence is required to have a follow up...

Paterno would know this. If no one came to talk to him than he would be required to follow up himself.
That 's the law around these cases when they are reported.


Tikki

[rpannier]

38. Paterno sold himself and his program as a place where doing the right thing was most important

Then he did the bare minimum he had to do when informed of the incident and then said nary a word about this guy hanging around Penn State with underage boys.

No sympathy for Paterno

[seabeyond]

44. nope. as adults, we have a greater responsibility. coach failed in that. nt

[yardwork]

45. This appears to be Joe Paterno's reasoning. Not good enough.

There was more than one eyewitness report of Sandusky molesting children in Joe Paterno's locker room.

If you live in Texas maybe you don't realize what complete control Paterno has had over the Penn State football program for decades. He let an employee continue to rape children and did nothing but "report" it up the chain of command?

Give me a break.

[OwnedByFerrets]

46. Everyone knew/knows who the boss at Penn St was. He

did NOTHING to stop this abuse. And then he was too fucking stubborn to resign....had to be thrown out.:eyes: