Beck told his listeners to read Mein Kampf...Jared did.

[goodboy]

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908120017
Beck: "I'm not comparing" Obama to Hitler, but "please read Mein Kampf" and learn from Germany's mistakes."


Did beck tell his listeners ever to read the Communist Manifesto?

Still working on that one.

But he did say the party was over for Democrats and that "You are going to have to shoot them in the head."

Jared Did.



edit: add quote.

[Swamp Rat]

1. "... learn from Germany's mistakes." - Like, don't wear brown shirts,

nor limit violence towards Jews, gypsies, and gay people.

[goodboy]

2. SWAMP RAT!

:toast: :toast: :toast:

[madmax]

6. Wow, Swamp Rat - one of your best! n/t

[malaise]

11. Excellent

Good to see you're really back :fistbump:

[sabrina 1]

16. Blue is a much kinder, gentler color!

[SlimJimmy]

3. Is there any evidence that this maniac listened to Beck?

If so, please link to it. I'd love to see it. Because, according to his friends, he didn't listen to any talk radio.

[goodboy]

4. This is intended to counter the claim that "he read Mein Kampf"

therefore he's not a right wing teabagger.

[emulatorloo]

7. They claim he read Mein Kampf because he is a "Socialist"

because for some reason they skipped high school history and think Hitler was a socialist.

[JuniperLea]

9. What friends are those?

The only friends I've heard of were friends 2 to 4 years ago. Things change quickly for schizophrenics in their early 20s.

There's no evidence either way, that's what is troubling. No evidence he was or was not influenced. All we have is a string of "coincidences."

[emulatorloo]

15. Yes there is one friend who says he was apolitical, another one says he got pissed off about

politics all the time. I guess the investigation/trial will give us some answers.

[JuniperLea]

21. Yep... and I will leave my mind open until then...

We just don't know enough. We don't know enough about his parents either, though I think the media should back away from them right now.

[elocs]

18. I think the evidence would be that people here really, really want it to be true.

I wouldn't expect a link anytime soon.

[JuniperLea]

27. We don't know enough one way or the other...

We don't know that he did, and we don't know that he didn't. This could be pure coincidence. That much I agree with you on. But to put any credence into what these alleged "friends" have said puts you in the same boat as those who want to point the first finger. Truly it does.

[SlimJimmy]

38. This is not my "opinion" It come from an interview done by ABC

Certainly an unbiased source. (included at the link) And as to believing them - why wouldn't I? There aren't any sources out there saying anything to the contrary, as far as I know. If you find one, by all means provide it.

"He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right."

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/jared-loughners-friend-says-suspect-did-not-watch-tv-disliked-the-news_b48040

[JuniperLea]

45. I've a friend who is a forensic psychologist...

He says all those people are full of crap... he hasn't read one news report that would be admissible in court.

[SlimJimmy]

47. So, his best friend is full of crap because they reported what they observed?

How would that not be admissible in court? It's not hearsay - it's empirical evidence. As I said, if you have a link to something different, I'd love to see it.

[JuniperLea]

48. Hi best friend how many years ago?

I guess you missed the bit about the onset of mental illness and the changes a youngster with schizophrenia experience in their early 20s.

I've yet to find one comment from one friend, acquaintance, or otherwise that wasn't a couple of years old. Two years in the life of a youngster like this can change the game drastically.

[SlimJimmy]

49. You're reaching for anything to make your narrative work. Sorry, but

I'm not buying. The bottom line is that this was a mentally disturbed young man that had a grudge against Rep. Giffords going back to 2007 (documented). And sadly, he acted on it. This had nothing to do with hate speech, Palin, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, or target maps. I'm all for calling a shovel a shovel. But I'm not going to say a box of oranges is a shovel. Even if it's politically popular for my party to do it.

[JuniperLea]

50. So nice you can read his mind so clearly!

Bullcrap. You have no idea what was in his mind or what influenced him.

Even the GOP Congresspeeps are carrying heat now! Why would that be?

[SlimJimmy]

51. You're a lost cause. Have a nice day. (nt)

[JuniperLea]

55. I still have my fingers...

Thanks for going away... I'll give you a hand.

[Hannah Bell]

53. um, we know he listened to somebody, because his "grammar" theory -- you know,

the one he wrote about in various internet postings & made a video about -- is out of the militia movement. he didn't invent it himself.

and that's a fact. easily verifiable.

[SlimJimmy]

54. And he also wrote "Mayhem Fest" on a math test. Also easily

verifiable. As is his open grudge toward Rep. Giffords from 2007.

[CLANG]

44. Wait until the trial - we'll learn all sorts of crazy things

[Rebubula]

5. LOLZ

People are just falling all over themselves to indict the RW talking clowns over this insane guy's killings.

Everyone who knows him has said he is not a RW nutter - he is just mentally deranged.

However, keep trying to make the connection if it makes you feel better or allows you 'talking points'.


UnRec'd

[emulatorloo]

8. Personally I think Loughner's book list is made up.

[JuniperLea]

13. I thought that too...

My first thought was his list is probably a lot like GW's... he's probably got some "Shakespeares" on it too.

I read Mein Kampf too. There are a lot of reasons for reading such a thing. Mine was intellectual curiosity... I wanted to know what the history was. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. I wanted to know if Hitler's writings were as freaky and weird as his speeches. Yup. We need to examine freaky killers and learn from them.

[lfairban]

37. I disagree

Hitler's speeches were well structured and elegant by comparison. I thinks someone wrote them for him. Mein Kampf was ambling and at times structurally incomprehensible, like a D student trying to sound like a B student. Sometimes the translator would footnote the original German as if to say, "It doesn't make any more sense in German than it does in English.

[JuniperLea]

46. Narcissistic at best...

Narcissistic "writers" think they aren't the only ones who love to hear them blah blah blah on and on.

His speeches are what got him noticed. He could really whip a crowd to a froth... sorta like Beck.

[jakeXT]

10. at least he knew that he would get the blame for it

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201011080039

[kctim]

12. If he was a 'right wing teabagger'

why would he only do half of what Beck told him to do?

[JuniperLea]

14. To me that sounds like you are making excuses for someone...

and not doing a very good job at that. Your question makes no sense at all.

[kctim]

39. Not making excuses for anyone

The OP says Beck told his listeners to read Mein Kampf and implies "Jared," being the good little 'right wing teabagger' that he is, did as he was told and read it. IF 'Jared' was such a 'good little teabagger,' then why did he not also listen to Beck and "learn from Germanys mistakes" and lead the fight against facism?

One should always use ALL FACTS, not assumptions, hopes and opinions, to prove a point.

[Voice for Peace]

17. this person claims he listened to limbaugh

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x147755

[gordianot]

19. I read Mein Kampf for me it was proof positive Hitler was deranged not just a mistake.

I have to say I find Beck deranged not just mistaken.

[elocs]

20. OK, I've read the OP and I listened to the link. What is the context here?

Because I don't think it has anything to do with Loughner or Beck exhorting his audience to read and embrace Hitler.

It would seem that the point Beck was making from the beginning had to do with Obama not being in favor of single payer, but at an earlier time telling another audience he was in favor of it. I think the point was that Hitler said what he was going to do in Mein Kampf and the German people didn't really believe he meant it and that Obama has said what he wanted to do (during the campaign) and that Beck's audience should believe what he (Obama) says.

We would be making the same argument regarding what Beck said if it had been Keith or Rachel who had said something that was taken out of context by the right. Beck sucks, but fair is fair.

[Imajika]

23. There is no context to be found...

This is just another silly thread where someone is attempting to link Laughner to the right, even though no such link appears to exist in any way, shape or form.

Some people just don't want to let go and accept that Laughner was seriously mentally ill and probably has no more links to anything we'd consider right than he does to the anything anyone would think of as left.

[elocs]

25. There is a context, from Beck's viewpoint, in the audio link.

It really had nothing to do with Loughner or wanting his listeners to be Nazis (at least not in that clip).

[WinkyDink]

33. Beck's ONLY "point" was to link "Hitler" with "Obama" in his auditors' minds.

[Jamastiene]

22. That's it.

If we can reprogram Beck to tell his listeners to go jump off a cliff, or play follow the leader after reading Mein Kamf, we'll be set. :evilgrin:

[Exilednight]

24. I had to read Mein Kampf for a two different classes in college. I'm not sure

what Beck telling people to read Mein Kampf has to do with anything.

[cali]

26. is there any evidence that Loughner watched or listened to Beck?

[JuniperLea]

28. Not any more evidence than there is to suggest he didn't...

Just a lot of speculation on both sides as far as I can tell.

We don't know enough about him, or his parents, or their lives, to make any judgments in this one way or the other. The shooting could have been a coincidence... they do happen.

[jakeXT]

31. He was more a gamer, liked Zeitgeist and hated Bush

Zach Olson, who also knew Loughner, said on "Good Morning America" Wednesday that Loughner "did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn't listen to political radio. He didn't take sides. He wasn't on the left. He wasn't on the right."

http://www.truth-out.org/few-solutions-emerge-after-loughner-shootings66802


His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x582201#582237

[JuniperLea]

32. He's mentally ill...

From all accounts, even those who say they know him, he's a loner and hasn't been close to anyone for some time. Things change quickly when a young person is mentally ill. What they may have thought was fact a few years ago could have easily changed and drastically.

It's not about ideology... it's about a mentally ill young man being angry and needing an outlet.

[jakeXT]

34. This whole story has so many funny things

I want to know for example with what he was injected as a 16 year old.


When he was 16, Loughner was the victim of a nasty prank in the school cafeteria. Another student poked him in the upper arm with a weapon fashioned from a plastic ballpoint pen and a needle. Loughner became dizzy and pale. Unable to stand, he had to be helped to the nurse's office. He did not press charges.

Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/15/3327357/shooting-suspect-displayed-downward.html#ixzz1BR6NAovA

and what was this whole identity theft thing?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x212640

[JuniperLea]

36. No surprise...

"Funny" things happen when a person is suffering from mental illness.

[Nye Bevan]

29. Obama said to bring a gun to the fight.....Jared did. (nt)

[WinkyDink]

35. Reading comprehension is everything, as is a DEPENDENT CLAUSE: "IF they bring a knife,...."

[thereismore]

41. No, Obama didn't say that. Sorry. nt

[alfredo]

30. Hey Glenn, this is for you!!

http://www.photron.com/index.php?cmd=gallery&cid=3&mv=03_03_raspberry

[Erose999]

40. You can read something and be "interested" in it without being aligned with it ideologically.

That might explain Loughner's interest in Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto.

I have friends who are liberal as can be, but they still read Ayn Rand.

I'm not sure we can re-construct Loughner's mind just from the collection of various texts he listed on his MySpace. We would need to know what his level of understanding of those texts was and what he used from them to create his ideology.

Remember that he had a loose sprocket, as well. People who are crazy often think they recieve kind of illuminated knowledge from books, music, etc that other people don't. Charlie Manson heard "messages" from the Beatles music, etc.

[CLANG]

42. He also said:

GLENN: We were just a minute ago reading the Constitution of and I just tweeted it if you’re a Twitter subscriber. The Constitution of the Revolutionary Communist Party USA. You need to read this. In fact, let’s ask Dan. Sarah, if you would ask Dan if he would include this in the free e mail newsletter today? Because it’s stunning. I’ve got we’ve got it highlighted and distill it for you on how many things are in common.

[CLANG]

43. This scrubbed post contained the question:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:pi0LLQU0wKcJ:answers.yahoo.com/question/index%3Fqid%3D20110108214102AAIXzuU+Communist+Manifesto+Glenn+Beck&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I would hope followers of Glenn Beck with a passionate distaste for communism should have AT LEAST READ The Communist Manifesto

[social_critic]

52. I don't follow Glenn Beck

But I did read the Communist Manifesto, and it sucks. But I suspect Beck didn't read it anyway, he must have been trying to be incendiary.

But wasn't he trying to switch to re-brand himself as Oral Roberts? I don't watch his shenanigans, but I read somewhere he was peddling religion.