Who Is the FBI Really Trying to Entrap?

[Better Believe It]

Who Is the FBI Really Trying to Entrap?
by Glen Ford
December 16, 2010

Attorney General Eric Holder told hundred of Muslims near San Francisco that the FBI's sting operations penetrating mosques across the country are an essential "tool in uncovering and preventing terror attacks." But of course, most of the FBI's high profile prosecutions for alleged domestic terrorism involve plots that were hatched in almost every detail by paid FBI informants who nurtured the schemes to their pre-planned conclusions. So, in point of fact, the FBI has not been engaged in "uncovering and preventing terrorist attacks," as Eric Holder claims, but rather, it has spent tens of millions of dollars and many thousands of man-hours concocting, financing, and providing training and equipment for crimes purely of its own invention. The FBI -- first under George Bush and then even more aggressively under Barack Obama -- has fabricated the illusion of a wave of terror that did not, for the most part, exist. In doing so, the U.S. government has perpetrated at least two classes of crimes: one, against those it has directly entrapped and prosecuted for crimes conceived and executed by the government, itself; and the second, larger class of crime, conspiracy to deliberately deceive and terrorize the American people, for the purpose of depriving the American people of their civil rights, and to foment a public hysteria that would facilitate the launching of military attacks on other peoples.

The fiction has real victims, including the poor and powerless, largely Black and brown men who were manipulated like puppets in theatrical productions directed by the FBI for purpose of frightening an audience of 300 million Americans. The families of some of these entrapped, involuntary actors in the FBI's fake terror dramas are scheduled to gather at New York University, in Manhattan, on December 16, to devise strategies for seeking justice.

Muslim Americans have been criminalized as a community. In Irvine, California, an FBI operative was so brazen in soliciting recruits for jihad, mosque members got a court restraining order to shut him up. It turns out the informant was paid $177,000 to incite a holy war -- the going rate, apparently, for inventing terror where none has previously existed.

So who is the real target of government entrapment? It could not be the individuals sucked into the FBI vortex, since Eric Holder's men knew they were incapable of independently carrying out the crimes and, therefore, represented no danger to society. No, American society, itself, has been entrapped by the Bush and Obama manipulators. The object is to terrify the American public, so that they will surrender their civil liberties -- possibly the greatest extortion scheme in U.S. history.

Read the full article at:

http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=content/who-fbi-really-trying-entrap

[LiberalFighter]

1. Eric Holder needs to be held accountable.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. Yes. Bastard got a guy off the street who was fully prepared to blow up a crowd full of people.

He must be held accountable. :eyes:

[LiberalFighter]

19. There's a difference between pushing someone to blow something up

vs someone that intended to without any pressure.

[Warren DeMontague]

21. One of the FBI operatives asked if he knew lots of children would attend the tree lighting.

"Yeah," he said, "I mean that's what I'm looking for."

"I want whoever is attending that event to leave, to leave either dead or injured"

[xchrom]

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[mix]

2. +1 nt

[Jackpine Radical]

3. I have this recurrent fantasy

of FBI agents posing as disgruntled potential terrorists allowing themselves to be led into conspiracies by Jihadist recruiters who turn out also to be FBI agents. In fact, as I think about it, I wonder how often that actually happens.

[Better Believe It]

4. And they have a shoot out!

:)

[old mark]

5. Sounds like the early to mid 1970's - FBI and police informants infiltrated

many "radical left" organizations and then encouraged violence so they could bust everyone. I often wonder how much of that went unreported and how much of the violence was actually sponsored by the government - look at the several fake bombings they have led people to do, such as the christmas tree bomber...
They seem to get very carried away with themselves.

mark

[Jackpine Radical]

6. That's pretty much what I was thinking of too.

Back in the old days, every Commie cell consisted of an earnest little Bolshie and three informants.

[leftstreet]

7. At least back then we actually had Left organizations for them to infiltrate

So much whacky 'intel' law enforcement today, with nothin' to do....

that's a bad combination

[old mark]

28. it almost makes you wonder if we actually did, or if it was all a creation

of the police and politicians...I am sure there were lefties organizations then, but I believe much of the violence was manufactured to entrap and vilify the left. It's probably all still "classified"...


mark

[xxqqqzme]

13. One of the story lines

in My Blue Heaven.

[Capitalocracy]

14. That's funnier than the scenario I thought of

in which they let their target push the button... only to find out he fixed or replaced the faulty bomb they gave him. :wow:

[NuclearDem]

25. That actually would make a really good movie...

Feels kinda like The Departed in a way. :)

[liberal_rxstudent]

36. lol...

me, too! :rofl:

[Edweird]

44. There's a Reno 911 episode kinda like that.....

[leftstreet]

8. K&R

Thanks for posting this.

Well worth the read

[gratuitous]

9. It's like the Church Committee never existed

Same old COINTELPRO tactics the FBI used for decades under that fraud Hoover. How much time, energy and money is going into these "Make-A-Terrorist" shenanigans? And just as the Appropriations bills are up for consideration! What are the odds? Terrorizing our own citizens appears to be a salutary by-product.

[Kaleko]

10. A great article.

People living outside the US have seen through this fake war on terror from the start.

Wake up time for America and whoever has been lulled to sleep by the fake media.

WikiLeaks and its offspring, OpenLeaks and so on, are a game changer.

[me b zola]

11. K&R

[Jeffersons Ghost]

12. Life is all about choices.

[Warren DeMontague]

15. "remember when 9/11 happened when those people were jumping from skyscrapers ..that was awesome"

"You know what I like to see? Is when I see the enemy of Allah then, you know, their bodies are torn everywhere"

"I want whoever is attending that event to leave, to leave either dead or injured"



Clearly, the FBI forced this poor lad to say shit like that, and press a button on a cell phone he thought would blow up a crowd full of families with little kids.

It's important to remember who the real "victim" is here, right? :eyes:

[Hannah Bell]

26. tell me what he did besides talk. do you know?

[Warren DeMontague]

34. Let's see. He detonated a test bomb. Bought supplies for the real bomb. Pressed a button HE BELIEVED

would set off the real bomb.

That's for starts.

Outside the hotel, the government alleges, one of the FBI operatives told Mohamud that when he dialed the phone number to ignite the bomb on Nov. 26, it would cause devastation for blocks.

"Wow," he reportedly said, "that's amazing."
Mohamud bought his bomb-making supplies from Radio Shack in the waning days of summer and began mailing them to the FBI operatives. The government says the young man included a handwritten note with a package received by the feds on Sept. 30: "Good luck with ur stereo system Sweetie. Enjoy the Gum."

***

Once they arrived, Mohamud was shown a bomb -- created by explosives experts -- that looked authentic but was perfectly harmless. They left the device in a spot unidentified in federal court papers, although Balizan, Oregon's top FBI official, described the place as very remote and well secured by law enforcement.

As the three men drove to the spot where they would detonate the device, bomb technicians secretly replaced the dummy device with a live explosive under their control.

The undercover FBI operatives showed Mohamud how to set off the bomb using a cell phone. The instant the FBI learned that the young man had triggered the device, bomb techs detonated the live explosive.

***

Eight days before the Portland tree lighting ceremony, Mohamud told the undercover operatives he preferred to park the van full of explosives across the street from a light-rail stop, according to the FBI affidavit. He wanted to plant a camera in the van, with a live feed to his laptop, and time the explosion to kill people on the train, too, the government alleges.
At lunchtime Friday, six hours before the tree lighting, Mohamud and the FBI operatives looked over a white late-model van.

Inside was a dummy bomb created by FBI bomb techs. "It consisted of six 55 gallon drums containing inert material, inert detonation cord, inert blasting caps and approximately one gallon of diesel fuel, which gave off a strong odor," according to the affidavit. In the front seat was a detonation mechanism rigged to a cell phone.

The government alleges that Mohamud looked the bomb over and described it as "beautiful."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/court_documents_test_bombing_i.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/44208670/US-

[Hannah Bell]

43. no, tell me what he did *before* the fbi started egging him on & supplied him with a "test bomb".

[Warren DeMontague]

45. Read the affadavit, yourself. He will get a trial in a court of law.

And then, he will probably rot in prison for the rest of his life, like the wannabe homicidal shit-stain he probably is.

Nobody "egged him on". In fact, they repeatedly cautioned him that there would be large numbers of families with small children present at the event he wanted to generate a large body count at. They repeatedly said things to him like, "are you sure you want to do this?"

So, let me get this straight: You're saying that if someone expresses interest in killing large numbers of people, the FBI should NOT engage him or her? Far better to let them work this shit out on their own, right?

So all those stings where they catch creepy dudes on the internet trying to seduce 12 year old girls... they're "egging them on", right?

Or if someone wants to hire someone to kill their spouse, the FBI should under no circumstances "egg them on" by sending in someone to pose as a hit man for hire... much better to let them continue looking for a REAL hit man, since without a real hit man, they're not really killers.

Right?

If the FBI could have set up a sting on McVeigh, or Harris and Klebold, or the 9-11 hijackers... and saved all those stupidly, wastefully, tragically lost lives--- that would have been really fucked up, wouldn't it have been? :eyes:

[Hannah Bell]

46. iow, you don't know.

[Warren DeMontague]

47. Delete. Dupe.

[Warren DeMontague]

48. Nice try.

IOW, you're so wedded to making some goofy, bogus ideological point, you can't acknowledge any possible value in removing from circulation someone who has expressed a real desire to carry out an extremely violent act against a large number of innocent people.




And yes, I do know. He was making plans to go to Pakistan to train for violent acts before any sting was in place. Not making plans in his head, making plans with other known terrorists. Whatever else he was doing, saying, or planning, it was enough for someone close to him to alert the FBI to his activities.

Like I said, we want terrorism treated as a law enforcement issue, and that is what is happening here.

Mr. Alleged would-be homicidal Shit-Stain will get a fair trial in a court of law, and if Mr. Alleged would-be Homicidal Shit-Stain was really as much of a would-be homicidal shit-stain as the affadavit portrays him as, he will rot for the rest of his life in a prison cell.

We shall see.

Now, how about answering my questions?

[Hannah Bell]

49. "planning to go to pakistan to train for violent acts -- planning with known terrorists"

if he was planning with known terrorists, that's already a federal crime.

no need to conduct this stupid sting.


so either the fbi wanted to freak out the public, or they had no proof he was "planning with known terrorists"

[Warren DeMontague]

50. IOW, you can't or won't answer the questions.

So, if as you say... if they had no proof, or maybe not enough proof- but they suspected he might be planning violent acts; or someone close to him, like in his family, was concerned enough about this idiot to report him to the FBI, what would you, as an expert on law enforcement, have done differently?

As for the "stupid sting"-

the bottom line is, this guy pressed a button on a phone fully believing that he was blowing up a crowd full of families with little children.

Like I said before; Harris, Klebold, McVeigh-- all these guys are 'crazy sounding but harmless'... until they aren't. Then, everyone goes "Why were all the warning signs ignored, until it was too late? Why didn't someone DO something?"


The fact that some people see his arrest and get all weepy for the guy and pissy at the FBI, is telling.

[Jackpine Radical]

30. How many teabaggers do you think it would be possible to set up

if you told them the switch would…I'm not even going to complete that sentence, but you know what I mean.

How many people have the likes of Beck & Palin pumped up to homicidal levels?

The world is full of crazy people. Fortunately, most of them are too mentally debilitated to carry out their sick fantasies. I think this kid was one such.

[Warren DeMontague]

35. That's right. They're "too mentally debilitated to carry out their fantasies"- unless they aren't.

[gratuitous]

32. Uh huh

And how close would he have gotten to blowing up "a crowd full of families with little kids" if he didn't have a whole lot of help? It's also important to remember who lent material aid and assistance to "this poor lad" for several months before springing their little trap.

By the way, do you know how many people in Afghanistan and Iraq went to their deaths this week thanks to your tax dollars?

[Warren DeMontague]

33. So if the FBI had been able to orchestrate a similar sting with Timothy McVeigh, you would be

equally outraged?

Yes, all these people are just "misguided kids full of talk" - until they aren't.

And what the fuck does Afghanistan and my tax dollars have to do with any of it? Do you know how many of your tax dollars went to arresting pot smoking cancer grannies this week?

[truth2power]

37. Link? n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Here are a couple:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2033372,00.html

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/court_documents_test_bombing_i.html

[truth2power]

41. Thank you. I don't really mean to split hairs, because

I dislike it when others make some enormous stretch to bring an issue around to their way of thinking, but the quotes are from an affidavit, allegedly spoken by the suspect.

The FBI has little to no credibility with me, these days. YMMV. It's my opinion, of course. Too much hysteria out there which only benefits those who want a state of perpetual war. If I said what I think, after much reading and consideration, about the underwear bomber, this post would be deleted as a sub-thread, or consigned to the dungeon. So I'll just leave it at that.


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[Warren DeMontague]

42. I agree. Everything quoted is alleged and not proven in a court of law.

Mr. Mohamud will have his day in court, as he should. Presumably the Gov't will have to prove the allegations, and present not just hearsay but evidence that not only did Mr. Mohamud say these things, but he committed an actual crime. Presumably activating what he believed was a van full of explosives would qualify as a crime, but again, these are only allegations and the man should get a fair trial and a chance to defend himself in court.

That said, vis a vis "perpetual war"-- I do think it's worth noting that the argument many of us used against Bush's military adventures was and still is that terrorism should be treated, first and foremost, as a Law Enforcement issue. That is what is taking place, here.

If (again, if) the allegations are true, and Mr. Mohamud was expressing desire to kill large numbers of people both before and after the FBI began building a case against him, then I would posit that they did exactly what I, for instance, have been arguing they should do all along- again, treat terrorism (including potential terrorism) as a Law Enforcment issue, not a Military one.

[msanthrope]

17. Glen Ford? The dude who thinks Barack Obama 'invaded Haiti' when he sent aid?

Glen has had it out for President Obama ever since he didn't get invited to the Senate victory party....

[Warren DeMontague]

18. You need to remember that the guy who fantasized about body bags full of kids is the victim, here.

:sarcasm:

[Better Believe It]

20. Oh .... this discussion is all about Haiti! Thanks for reminding everyone.

If I didn't know any better I'd say you're trying to "hijack" this discussion and turn it into a personal attack on Glen Ford.

But, we all know better than that, don't we?

[Warren DeMontague]

22. Personally, I'm still waiting for the defense of Mohamed Mohamud's comments.

You know, like, "You know what I like to see? Is when I see the enemy of Allah then, you know, their bodies are torn everywhere"

Or this one:

"It's gonna be a fireworks show ... a spectacular show ... New York Times will give it two thumbs up"

and

"Do you remember when 9/11 happened when those people were jumping from skyscrapers ... I thought that was awesome."


Then they can explain why Eric Holder needs to "pay" for removing this piece of shit from the streets, or how outraged they would have been if the FBI had managed to execute a similar sting on Timothy McVeigh, saving all those lives.

[Hannah Bell]

27. personally, i'm still waiting for the law against saying "did you see those guys jumping on 911

that was awesome"

it may be heinous, but it's no crime.

[Warren DeMontague]

31. no, it's not a crime. Pressing a button on a phone that you believe will blow up a van

intending to kill large numbers of families with children, probably is.

And I'm curious if all the folks wailing and hand-wringing over "entrapping" this guy would have been as upset if, say, the FBI had pulled a similar sting on McVeigh, or Harris and Klebold? :shrug:

I wouldn't.

[truth2power]

39. Actually, they very well might have. On McVeigh, that is...

I posted on DU years ago that I thought the mysterious John Doe #2 was probably an FBI agent. There was that woman at the motel who claimed to have seen McVeigh with the aforementioned individual. She contacted the FBI, but they refused, strangely enough, to follow up on it. Almost as if they already knew the identity of the individual.

On another note, there seems to be a general reluctance in this thread to discuss the FBI operative who was so over the top that mosque members had to get a restraining order to shut him up. How egregiously insane is that?

[Warren DeMontague]

40. Got a link on that? That's the first I've heard about it.

As for the Mysterious John Doe #2 in the OK City Bombing being with the FBI, that's the first I've heard about that, too.

If anyone dealing with McVeigh was an FBI agent, they fucked up royally and didn't do their job.

[Rex]

23. This is social engineering and a pathetic legacy that will join Hoover

and his warped department of secrecy. They don't enforce the laws, they make them up as their 'psyco think tanks' go along to see if preconceviend notions about Americans are true or false always checking for...wait for it...Lizard men from Inner Earth! They won Secret War II below our feet against the Mole People and now want to get it on with our females! :crazy:

[Starry Messenger]

24. k&r

[davidthegnome]

29. Disturbing

On both sides, really. The FBI winding up and recruiting potential or real terrorists through undercover methods is eventually almost undoubtedly going to have unpleasant, unintended consequences.

That said - there is no defense of Mohamud's comments. Although, hell, for all we know, he could be an FBI agent himself who will shortly be sent somewhere else to continue his work. Shit, I can't decide which one is more despicable here (Mohamud or the FBI?). This requires contemplation.