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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:07 PM
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Does anyone else find it odd that the people orchestrating the breakup of the Occupy camps are Dems?
Near as I can tell, the big city mayors ordering the shut downs are Democrats.

Who's behind that? Coincidence?

Kinda bullshitty if you ask me.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:09 PM
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1. I don't find anything odd any more.
My view of the possible is enlarged every day.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:10 PM
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2. Anyone else find it odd that the biggest attacks on teachers and their unions are coming from Dems?
It really isn't odd once you consider the possibility that those Dems don't really embody or subscribe to the set of principles and ideas of a traditional, Roosevelt/Truman style Democrat.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:14 PM
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5. Ayup
Wars, too.

Corporate bailouts that fleece the little guys, too.

What else? The list is long.

Clean coal?

Fracking?
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a simple pattern Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 11:03 PM
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21. Deep water drilling, oil pipelines...
assassinations, drone attacks, cuts to Social Security...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:11 PM
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3. Some are republican
Edited on Thu Nov-03-11 10:11 PM by nadinbrzezinski
<------- Points at mine.

No, this is the system reacting against a very real threat to it.

Just like OWS...this is non-party specific.

The best part, they ignored it when it started. I suspect it would be gone. But predictably power did what power does.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:13 PM
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4. anyone find it odd that the dem justice dept is cracking
down on mmj with a vengeance?
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Juneboarder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:17 PM
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6. My "local occupy"
Occupy Oceanside - Started by an aide to a Democratic Deputy Mayor; advertises MoveOn.org on their Facebook and GA. Seems fishy to me.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:20 PM
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8. And was promptly fired.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:19 PM
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7. It's both parties as far as mayorial attempts to shut down protests.
It's all so messy as far as both parties are concerned, especially with more cuts coming in their implementation of austerity and rightwing economic "solutions".
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:20 PM
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9. It's sort of odd that Occupy camps are in big city centers
For the most part, the centers of big cities are no longer productive areas. Big cities are mostly centers for politics, entertainment, cultural institutions, sports arenas, casinos, restaurants, etc. Big cities are centers of consumption, either occasional consumption by suburbanites and tourists, or consumption of social services by low income residents.

Manufacturing, warehousing, retailing, and most service industries have moved out of city centers. There are bank and insurance office buildings in some, but they are usually old ones, and the firm's data centers and major operations centers are in suburban and rural locations.

Even the Wall Street area is greatly diminished compared to what it once was. Trading is electronic and distributed. Very little of the actual trading is done on the NYSE and CME trading floors that you see on CNBC (although they look good as video sets).
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Roselma Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:22 PM
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10. except for Bloomberg (NYC)...and he's at the
epicenter
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Huey P. Long Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:23 PM
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11. Might I offer the observation that it is BECAUSE the 'Dems' are
against most traditionally Democratic things the party used to be for, is why OWS is even in existence.

See how most Dems in 'power' then want to neuter, or kill it is no surprise.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:28 PM
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13. Pretty much. If enough Dems hadn't gone BlueDog, if the Senate Dems had supported
Edited on Thu Nov-03-11 10:28 PM by Lionessa
Nancy's reign at the House, if the President didn't give away the farm before the negotiations even started, if he wasn't unilaterally killing foreign and citizen targets and advancing our global policing project... yep, if Dems had just been Dems, they'd still have the house, and OWS wouldn't be happening.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:24 PM
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12. They're all bought with the same corporate dollars.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:29 PM
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14. There may be the appearance of two political parties in Washington,...

...but they both feed from the same trough, and by the same hand.

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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 11:01 PM
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20. They sure as hell do! n/t
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:34 PM
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15. aren't most of these big city mayors Dems?
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waddirum Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 11:20 PM
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23. Blomberg ran as a Republican
nt
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 11:25 PM
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24. Bloomberg has been a Democrat, a Republican and an Independent.
I believe he is now calling himself and Independent. He is the epitome of the problems that need to be fixed.
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 07:37 AM
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31. He's a corporatist. The particular flavor doesn't really matter. n/;t
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 01:13 PM
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32. Bingo! It's not as if a whole bunch of Republican mayors have been more enlightened.
Most big-city mayors are indeed Democrats. The most prominent exception is Bloomberg, who has been markedly hostile to OWS.

Objectively, there is a clear difference between Occupy and the Tea Party rallies. The tactical choice of protracted occupation (as opposed to a single-day rally) inherently creates problems for a municipal government. That doesn't mean that the only way to address the problems is to send in the cops. What it does mean that mayors who had no ideological commitment to defending the 1%, but who merely wanted to administer their cities fairly and efficiently, have to consider how to deal with a prolonged camp-out. Most of the mayors facing that issue are Democrats.

Suppose that, after the 2008 election, thousands of birthers around the country had started an #Occupy movement, taking over parks and other open spaces and vowing to remain until the Kenyan usurper were removed from the White House, preferably in handcuffs. In that case, DUers would have no trouble seeing the appropriateness of some restriction. People would be posting links to court decisions holding that the First Amendment permits reasonable restrictions on the time, place, and manner of speech. There would be much more attention being paid here to such issues as the impact on neighborhood residents and the exclusion from the park of people who wanted to use it for normal park purposes.

Mayors have to consider the opportunity for the public to voice grievances, but they also have to consider other issues.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:42 PM
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16.  We must replace a few.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:48 PM
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17. There is no Left in politics. Start with that premise and everything makes sense. /nt
Edited on Thu Nov-03-11 10:48 PM by TheMadMonk
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cyglet Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 11:05 PM
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22. This.
Far right and center right only.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:55 PM
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18. both parties represent the 1%'s interests first and foremost....
Dems no less than republicans.
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 11:00 PM
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19. Me thinks it's hard to get what you want when you force the other side
Edited on Thu Nov-03-11 11:02 PM by libertypirate
to set it up for you. History does repeat itself. How that exactly happens with a push or by accident who knows. If done correctly no will ever know.

Bush proved one political reality you can get a lot and I mean a lot of what you want by fucking it up first.



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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 11:28 PM
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25. Bull shitty to me too about the crack down in Democratic cities.
You seldom fail to ask good questions Stinky the Clown. Salut.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 12:50 AM
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26. Nope. Not surprised at all.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 12:54 AM
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27. Par for the course at this point
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 01:01 AM
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28. Fully expected
It'd probably be different if there was a GOP President. It's one thing if the grievances can be laid squarely at the feet of the "other party" but when their own party (and therefore they themselves are as well) is implicated, it's a different story entirely. It jives with the difference at DU circa 2001-2007 and 2008 to present. There is establishment and there is anti-establishment. Party lines blur when the established order is threatened.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 01:40 AM
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29. I think it's both bullshitty and coincidence.
It might be explained by the towns most likely to have people willing to go out en mass for prolonged protests against economic injustice are probably going to be less likely to elect Republicans. It's still bullshit, though.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 01:46 AM
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30. Should I find that odd?
:shrug:
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 01:20 PM
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33. DINO's have infiltrated the party at every level. Every level. n/t
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