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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:01 PM Original message |
The solution to the nation’s health care crisis is staring everyone in the face. |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. Simple answer why we won't: |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. And they've convinced a HUGE number of people that socialism is evil. That sickens me as much |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
44. Socialism = evil: unfettered and wholly corrupted capitalism nee fascism= |
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MODem75 (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #44 |
96. I would rather have Socialism than Fascism |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. In 21st-century America, socialism is bad, very bbbad; fascism, good, very |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #3 |
64. thankfully |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. You're wrong, absolutely wrong |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #71 |
86. I dont' believe I am. |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #3 |
79. The real quandary is why people who are suffering because of our health care support it |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
49. Unless WE stop doing business as usual and vote out their puppets |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Well, yeah, we have a choice. |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:22 AM Response to Reply #50 |
65. I think OWS movement is changing that. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
88. What Lorien said /\ It is time to quit settling for the "lesser of two evils" |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
60. Many years ago I remember hearing that there were companies coming out for single payer, |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #60 |
75. See, you know how people tell us . . . |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. And yet they weren't "in the room" |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Yep. Gotta love that kind of progressivism. *sigh* |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
55. And transparency (he denied it until he could no longer). *sigh* |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
5. Should have started with Medicare for All in the first place. It's coming, b/c there is no choice. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
26. It's coming? I'd really love to believe that, but cuts to Medicare and |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Well, a lot of poor & middle-class people may have to die first. |
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TE Lawrence (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
6. It sounds nice, but what other advanced countries have done for decades |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. What a crock of shit |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Better medical care for our people bankrupts us.. |
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TE Lawrence (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Bomb dropping of late has surely been a stupid policy. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. You're going to get stupid policies no matter what you do.. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
45. So policies that benefit working class people and the elderly are stupid. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. LOL |
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TE Lawrence (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Preventative care can be an 81mg aspirin per day. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. People anywhere can buy their own aspirin |
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sibelian (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
35. We have a very small number of anti-NHS agitators in the UK. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. I've been to the UK and patronized their pharmacies |
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sibelian (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. ... |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:16 AM Response to Reply #20 |
57. What? Prove that. n/t |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:28 AM Response to Reply #57 |
67. he can't... he's talking out of his ass |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:28 AM Response to Reply #20 |
61. lol |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:25 AM Response to Reply #20 |
66. got a link to back that up? |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Absolute nonsense |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. That is why we spend double per capita than Canada |
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denverbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. That's nutty. |
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sibelian (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. I work for the UK National Health Service. |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
46. Just curious... |
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sibelian (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:50 AM Response to Reply #46 |
54. ??? |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
85. Sorry. |
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Sgent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. I just don't see it |
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sibelian (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #85 |
103. These people exist but are VERY few in number. |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
19. it's not basic benefit to citizens that is bankrupting EU, rather the global financial cartels |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. ^ True. ^ n/t |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. Those other countries are not bankrupt because of social programs. |
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Dems2002 (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
27. If cheaper healthcare is bankrupting Europe, how is more expensive healthcare helping us??? |
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DisgustipatedinCA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. I completely agree with you. Let's start turning the interstate system into gravel |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
41. Have you ever stopped to notice ... |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #41 |
70. +1000. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
43. It worked out fine until the capitalists were deregulated. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:36 AM Response to Reply #6 |
53. no, the health care is not bankrupting the uk, or france |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
58. I don't think that is correct. Please provide documentation to support your claim. |
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irislake (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
63. BULLSHIT! |
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bengalherder (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #6 |
73. Old TE, grand as he was in WW1, was a bit of a fascist politically |
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ThomThom (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #6 |
76. deleted |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #6 |
80. An enormous lie. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #80 |
99. +1, right on the money, so to speak |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
91. Nonsense. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
93. Nonsense -- you're simply talking about the RW starving the system.. and whether starving education. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
94. ... and think we're all pretty clear on who has BAILED OUT whom ... !!! |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
95. The problem is government-phobia. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
7. The insurance industry has grown too big to fail... |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
25. Meanwhile, 38,000 people a year die from lack of insurance. |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 02:35 AM Response to Reply #25 |
52. Kicking thread. |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
37. Too big to regulate as well. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
9. Many companies would hire more people if they didn't have to provide health coverage |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:22 AM Response to Reply #9 |
59. And they wouldn't ask employees about their bowel movements and sex life. n/t |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
12. A sad fact - |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 12:40 AM Response to Reply #12 |
51. Really admire the way you juxtaposed the Constitution with the OP |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
16. Get the fucken Republicants out of office. |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
38. Can't just blame the retubbies for this one. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
47. Because in many cases Democratic politicians enable the Republicans to "filibuster" in the Senate |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:44 AM Response to Reply #47 |
62. must. defend. republicans. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #62 |
69. must.. convince.. DUers to not vote dem... |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #69 |
77. I don't think it is an R or a D thing. I prefer D because they |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
28. That's a wonderfully ambiguous subject line, so it gets an automatic Rec! |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
32. K&R |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
33. Has Peter O'Toole left the building? |
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sibelian (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. T'would appear so for the time being |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Pity. He was here only so briefly... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
39. That is the ONE FACT that the Democratic Party "Leadership"... |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
40. Imagine how cool it would be for a Democratic candidate to campaign on that pledge? |
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louslobbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
48. K&R n/t |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:14 AM Response to Original message |
56. wrong place |
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Ozagnaria (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
68. TN had a good system for a while |
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DLine (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
72. But TORT reform will fix EVERYTHING |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
74. Actually, it's all a distraction |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
78. How do we get a Congress that will vote for it? The 1% own not only the Congress |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Multi-step process. First step is over turning Citizen's United. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. So the SCOTUS owned by the 1% will overturn Citizens United? I want to see that work but I'm not |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #83 |
97. SCOTUS won't touch it. It will take other means. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. But if Citizens United is overturned, SCOTUS will turn it back. nt |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 05:05 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Not if it is with a Constitutional Amendment. |
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aggiesal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
82. Without reading everyone's input ... |
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BigD_95 (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
84. there is too much money |
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Ozagnaria (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
87. cost? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
90. That's a necessary part of the solution. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
92. Think Americans have no problem understanding that -- it's politicians ignoring will of the people ! |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
101. I'd like to see a Constitutional amendment |
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