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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 04:54 PM
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To Black Block, kindly fuck off
RT @kateconger: Fights are between vandalizing protectors and others trying to stop them #GeneralStrike

You are not helping.
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a simple pattern Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 04:58 PM
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1. Fake
Tie them up and give them back to the cops
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:01 PM
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2. Oh they are mostly getting stopped.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:50 PM
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17. +1
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 06:53 PM
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27. Zip ties have a million uses...
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:02 PM
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3. It would be interesting, though dangerous, to mess with them and see who comes to rescue them
You'll sure know in a hurry if the CIA or DHS are involved.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:04 PM
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4. Thank you!!!!!!!
I hate those bastards.
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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:05 PM
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5. Aw geez
I guess that means that the Oakland strike is really working, if they're showing up there.

Let's hope the people using those tactics don't fuck it all up and then spread a bunch of lies like they did in Greece.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:06 PM
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6. Well when the description is of people dressed in black doing this
Well we know.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:07 PM
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7. Surprised we have not seen more of them earlier
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:09 PM
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8. +1
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:17 PM
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12. there is one with the local occupation... completely respectful of the consensus
approaches taken by the GA. Has some stories to tell... but has stated s/he is with this cause and with the commitment to nonviolence.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:12 PM
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9. Yup, they are there
So what do we do about Black Bloc, etc? Can we nonviolently punch em in their bandana faces? Tell em to knock it off? #oo #GeneralStrike
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a simple pattern Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:49 PM
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16. Throw em in the back of a van
See who calls?
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a simple pattern Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:51 PM
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19. On second thought
maybe just pull down the bandanas and post the pictures online for identification of the perps
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RandiFan1290 Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:16 PM
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10. Peaceful protesters stop police provocateurs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow

Peaceful protesters stop police provocateurs from starting a riot at the Stop the SPP protests in Montebello Quebec.
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:16 PM
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11. I always did think they were provocateurs
n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:29 PM
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13. And here is some concrete evidence
RT @DannyJWillis: Vandalism at the Wells Fargo at 12th and Broadway. #OO #GeneralStrike pic.twitter.com/rgb3vaSS

That is black block
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a simple pattern Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:59 PM
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22. Did it happen during the strike
or under cover of darkness? Is there video?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 06:02 PM
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24. During
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War Horse Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:31 PM
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14. Thank you n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:43 PM
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15. More description
reports of breakaway #occupyoakland anarchist group dressed in black destroying property during #generalstrike ... #occupysf #ows
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Modern_Matthew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:50 PM
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18. Apparently not a group, but a tactic... used by police more than anarchists.
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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:58 PM
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20. Yup
Edited on Wed Nov-02-11 05:59 PM by Cal Carpenter
And whether it is the cops, the 'anarchists'**, or some combination thereof, it usually results in fucking up the efforts of a much larger, more organized group of protestors, strikers, etc.

(** I use the word anarchists loosely here and I don't really want to get too deep into social theory on this thread, LOL, I know not all anarchists are assholes whose reactionary tactics result in ultiamtely supporting the ruling class, status quo, etc but the ones pulling this shit right now are)

Tactics - the what, how, when, where, etc - is a complicated discussion. But reactionary shit ain't it.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 06:01 PM
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23. Well I don't consider them anarchists
But that is for 'mother thread.
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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 06:08 PM
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25. Yeah, I guess it's a matter of self-identification
Although I can't make any assumptions about who is doing what in seattle, they often call themselves anarchists or use the A in a circle sign.

I call them counterproductive reactionaries. I call them undercover cops or disgruntled privileged brats who want to piss off their parents. And I say this as someone who probably falls into the revolutionary commie category myself, not as an apologist for 'working within the system' or some shit.

Pardon my ranting, it's not directed at you, just seething below the surface as I think of that bullshit that went down last week when the black bloc or whatever group started shit in Greece in the middle of an incredibly powerful general strike.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 06:26 PM
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26. Same shit different country today
I get it.
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firehorse Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 05:59 PM
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21. Interesting. So cops pretend to be Black Bloc and then do things to misrepresent the group
why am I not surprised.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 07:05 PM
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28. It's not a new tactic...
it was/has-been used by both COINTELPRO and Red Squads for decades going back to the Haymarket riots.

Unfortunately, the way to deal with them often requires one to stoop to their level. "Unmask and photograph" doesn't work with this form of infiltration.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 08:02 PM
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29. Further back than that
At least 1820... It is old.

Le mis has a good representation of it when javert tries to join the students and is recognized.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 08:46 PM
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31. As far as I can tell, the main thing they do is spy on/arrest members.
Edited on Wed Nov-02-11 08:52 PM by Donald Ian Rankin
Police infiltration of black blocks appears to be a way of spying on/catching criminals (in my view an entirely legitimate one), not a form of "black propaganda" as you imply.

EDIT: Post 10 does in fact contain footage of (what it alleges are) police engaging in black propaganda.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 08:44 PM
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30. Where do you get the "more than" from?
The link you provide implies that these blocks have on occasion been infiltrated by the police, not that it's a tactic "used by police more than anarchists".
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