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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:28 AM
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Glenn Greenwald: The Vindication (by Barack Obama) of Dick Cheney
The Vindication (by Barack Obama) of Dick Cheney
by Glenn Greenwald
January 18, 2011

In the early months of Obama's presidency, the American Right did to him what they do to every Democratic politician: they accused him of being soft of defense (specifically "soft on Terror") and leaving the nation weak and vulnerable to attack. But that tactic quickly became untenable as everyone (other than his hardest-core followers) was forced to acknowledge that Obama was embracing and even expanding -- rather than reversing -- the core Bush/Cheney approach to Terrorism. As a result, leading right-wing figures began lavishing Obama with praise -- and claiming vindication -- based on Obama's switch from harsh critic of those policies (as a candidate) to their leading advocate (once in power).

As early as May, 2009, former Bush OLC lawyer Jack Goldsmith wrote in The New Republic that Obama was not only continuing Bush/Cheney Terrorism policies, but was strengthening them -- both because he was causing them to be codified in law and, more important, converting those policies from right-wing dogma into harmonious bipartisan consensus. Obama's decision "to continue core Bush terrorism policies is like Nixon going to China," Goldsmith wrote. Last October, former Bush NSA and CIA Chief Michael Hayden -- one of the most ideological Bush officials, whose confirmation as CIA Chief was opposed by then-Sen. Obama on the ground he had overseen the illegal NSA spying program --gushed with praise for Obama: "there's been a powerful continuity between the 43rd and the 44th president." James Jay Carafano, a homeland-security expert at the Heritage Foundation, told The New York Times' Peter Baker last January: "I dont think it's even fair to call it Bush Lite. It's Bush. It's really, really hard to find a difference that's meaningful and not atmospheric."

Those are the nation's most extreme conservatives praising Obama's Terrorism policies. And now Dick Cheney himself -- who once led the "soft on Terror" attacks -- is sounding the same theme. In an interview last night with NBC News, Cheney praised Obama for continuing his and Bush's core approach to Terrorism.

Obama has won the War on Terror debate -- for the American Right. And as Dick Cheney's interview last night demonstrates, they're every bit as appreciative as they should be.

Read the full article at:

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/01/18-1


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NBC NEWS EXCLUSIVE

FORMER VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY SITS DOWN WITH JAMIE GANGEL IN HIS FIRST INTERVIEW SINCE HIS HEART SURGERY LAST JULY

The Interview Will Air On Today Tuesday, January 18 and an Excerpt Will Air Tonight On NBC Nightly News With Brian Williams

CHENEY EXCLUSIVE/EXCERPTS

DICK CHENEY:

He obviously has been through the fires of becoming President and having to make decisions and live with the consequences. And it's different than being a candidate. When he was candidate he was all for closing Gitmo. He was very critical of what we'd done on the counterterrorism area to protect America from further attack and so forth.

I think he's-- in terms of a lot of the terrorism policies-- the early talk, for example, about prosecuting people in the CIA who've been carrying out our policies-- all of that's fallen by the wayside. I think he's learned that what we did was far more appropriate than he ever gave us credit for while he was a candidate. So I think he's learned from experience. And part of that experience was the Democrats having a terrible showing last election.

JAMIE GANGEL:

You said you believe President Obama has made America less safe. That he's actually raised the risk of attack. Do you still feel that way?

DICK CHENEY:

Well, when I made that comment, I was concerned that the counterterrorism policies that we'd put in place after 9/11 that had kept the nation safe for over seven years were being sort of rapidly discarded. Or he was going to attempt to discard them. . . . As I say, I think he's found it necessary to be more sympathetic to the kinds of things we did.


http://www.nbcuniversal.presscentre.com/content/detail....


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Obama uses Bush plan for terror war
Includes tactics he had criticized
By Eli Lake
September 9, 2010

As the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks approaches, much of President Obama's counterterrorism policies and his understanding of executive power closely hew to the last administration, which he criticized as a candidate for the White House.

On issues ranging from the government's detention authority to a program to kill al Qaeda terrorist suspects, even if they are American citizens, Mr. Obama has consolidated much of the power President George W. Bush asserted after Sept. 11 in the waging of the U.S. war against terror.

"It can fairly be said that the Bush administration made torture the law of the land and the Obama administration is making impunity for torture the law of the land," said Ben Wizner, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) attorney ....

"You've got state secrets, targeted killings, indefinite detention, renditions, the opposition to extending the right of habeas corpus to prisoners at Bagram ," Mr. Hayden said,( Michael Hayden, CIA Director under George W. Bush) listing the continuities. "And although it is slightly different, Obama has been as aggressive as President Bush in defending prerogatives about who he has to inform in Congress for executive covert action."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/sep/9/obama-us...












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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:32 AM
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1. K & R
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:33 AM
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2. Yes, bush and Cheney must be very pleased with Obama.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:37 AM
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3. Food for thought here, especially the last bit.
I mean, we know the Washington Times could care less about civil liberties and the ACLU. Their agenda is crystal clear.

Greenwald's heart is probably in the right place. Strange bedfellows, indeed. K&R.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:40 AM
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4. Dick Cheney says he's been vindicated, Greenwald agrees.
Edited on Tue Jan-18-11 11:41 AM by ProSense
Quoting Cheney and the Washington Times?

This reads more like the vindication of Dick Cheney by Glenn Greenwald.

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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:41 AM
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5. Now that he's won the seal of approval from the warmongering fascists
Edited on Tue Jan-18-11 11:44 AM by somone
the seal of approval from the U.S Chamber of Commerce is next
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:43 AM
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6. Obama understood, even before getting elected, that he would have to play ball.
Unless he acted like Bush on steroids in regard to terrorism, abandoning the rule of law etc. he knew that it would lead to his being set-up by BushCo and the MIC. It is child's play for these folks to manufacture some sort of attack for the sole purpose of allowing the pack of snarling right-wing dogs of the right-wing hate machine to relentlessly tear into President Obama for making America less safe and being "soft" on terrorism.

In short, Pres. Obama appears to have completely abandoned his principles and campaign promises as a political tactic to shield him from this type of attack from the right-wing.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:44 AM
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7. Bipartisanship..at its worst. Would love to hear a response from the WH.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:45 AM
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8. There goes Greenwald again...
With his "civil liberties" and his whole obsession with "the truth" and problems with "hypocrites".

Some people are just so naive. He really should just sit back and trust the grown ups to handle things and to take care of us and make us feel safe.


:sarcasm:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:50 AM
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9. Cheney: "I think he's learned that he's not going to be able to close Guantanamo. "
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 12:50 PM
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18. Thanks for posting
I'll concede the concerns about the drones. However, trying to close Gitmo and trying to get a civilian trial for KSM were not "Bush/Cheney-approved policies" AFAIK. Hey, what happened to the "underwear bomber"? Is HE sitting in Gitmo awaiting a military tribunal? Not being willing to stay in Iraq/Afghanistan indefinitely is not a Bush/Cheney-approved policy AFAIK. Also, where is the proof that President Obama is continuing the Bush/Cheney torture regime? Where are President Obama's affirmation of waterboarding?
:shrug:
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 12:56 PM
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20. And how is President Obama's record on civil liberties and gov't spying compared to George W. Bush?

I'm listening.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 01:05 PM
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23. What's his record so far and what exactly is he (still) doing?
:shrug:

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 03:19 PM
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28. Read this just for starters: Government Spying on Americans -- Doesn't Any One Care?

Government Spying on Americans -- Doesn't Any One Care?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 01:01 PM
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21. Oooh...a sternly worded signing statement.
And the ACLU statement goes on to, you know, make good on his promise.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:57 AM
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10. So the right wants to jump on Obama's bandwagon...
...and Glenn Greenwald wants to interpret it as the reverse. What else is new?

Of course the right is saying that Obama is continuing Bush/Cheney policies. That's completely self-serving. Cheney et ilk know that the country is changing direction under Obama and that Obama is succeeding. These creeps want credit for Obama's success and they want Obama to share their blame. Nothing they say means anything. It's the damned grasping at the ankles of their successful replacement.

Read the news since Obama took over. It's the reverse of what it was like under Bush/Cheney. America is still coated in the residue and muck from the Bush/Cheney/GOP catastrophe. Blaming Obama for the time it takes to clean up the Bush/Cheney mess is like blaming the clean-up crew for the oil spill.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 12:09 PM
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11. Post information on the expansion of democratic rights and civil liberties under President Obama ...

and on the Obama administrations rejection and rollback of Bush's attacks on human rights and our Bill of Rights.

Hard facts, not meaningless political rhetoric please.

I'm listening.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 12:22 PM
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13. "Hard facts, not meaningless political rhetoric please. "
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Gaedel Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 12:42 PM
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15. They don't count in the current argument
They are primarily "social" initiatives and they are a change from Bush-Cheney.

They are not international relations/national defense/internal security initiatives where Obama is following the precedents set by Bush-Cheney and going as few steps further on them.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 12:47 PM
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17. Oh
"Post information on the expansion of democratic rights and civil liberties under President Obama ..."

...they most certainly count.

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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 01:05 PM
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22. All of which has fuck all to do with the OP. eom
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 12:43 PM
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16. Greenwald convicts himself. Read the OP.
Greenwald is quoting Bush admin hacks and Cheney as approving of Obama policies. Duh. Checkmate. That's Greenwald using the dirtiest perps of the right as if they were Abe Lincoln on sodium pentathol. You're buying it?
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 01:07 PM
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24. They're direct quotes. If you have a problem with them take it up with the reporters.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 06:52 PM
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32. Greenwald, and others btw, reported what Cheney said in the
upcoming interview.

We didn't need Cheney to tell us that Obama's foreign policy, as some observers have said, but Cheney would never give him THAT much credit, 'is even more agressive than Bush/Cheney's'.

There are several articles other than Greenwald's today remarking on how Cheney has expressed his approval of Obama 'doing the kind of things we did'.

So, are they all wrong? You seem to have a beef with Greenwald, do you have a beef with all the others?

Cheney said what he said and it stands on its own and while in his delusional mind he believes his approval means something good. The truth is that Cheney's approval of Obama's foreign policy and his willingness to do nothing about war crimes, is an indictment on this administration. But it is not something that others have not remarked on.

Now, either Obama found that he had no choice for some reason, or he agrees with these policies.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 12:38 PM
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14. He IS continuing Bush/Cheney policies. No one needed
Edited on Tue Jan-18-11 12:41 PM by sabrina 1
Cheney to make that clear.

Tell the mothers of Afghanistan, whose voices you apparently don't hear as they beg the U.S. to stop killing their children with those criminal and cowardly drones, that Obama is on a 'different' course than Bush/Cheney.

Do you read the daily news on the killing of civilians under this administration? Are you aware that rather than reduce the use of those horrific weapons, this administration has increased their use succeeding in killing far more civilians than Bush/Cheney managed to do?

Please stop apologizing for these crimes against humanity. I truly never thought I'd see the day when we would see people excusing this slaughter on a democratic board. I know this, a dead child is one dead child too many. At least it is if it's an American child.

How many more 'other' people's children are Obama supporters ready to sacrifice for whatever the agenda is now?

I've seen the mothers of Afghanistan picking up the body parts of their babies and no excuse in the world will make me believe that any of this is necessary or can be excused in any way whatsoever.



Give her and her loved ones, precious little girl that she is, these excuses. IF she hasn't been blown to bits by a drone.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-11 08:40 AM
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48. To think the right would ever jump on Pres Obama's bandwagon is delusional. nm
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 12:13 PM
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12. Is Anyone SUrprised Dick would Say This
This is why Obama's inactions are a dangerous precedent.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 12:54 PM
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19. All that's missing is the cowboy boots and "Smoke 'em out".
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:27 PM
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37. That difference may be worth something.
I wish we could get a real difference, but it seems a perceived difference, and at least the ability to say that not everyone in the U.S. is happy about these crimes, is all we can get.

Unless we continue to applaud for Obama, making it clear that what bothered us wasn't the torture and illegal war, etc., but the fact that Bush was doing it.
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 01:17 PM
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25. Recommend.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 01:49 PM
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26. When the people who want to destroy the prez are happy with him...
he is in deep trouble, and so is the country.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 02:43 PM
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27. K&R
nt
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 03:40 PM
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29. Greenwald's a one-trick pony...
SSDD.

Sid
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 04:30 PM
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:09 PM
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35. So long as his trick is telling the truth he doesn't need more than
one ~
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:02 PM
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41. Projection being what it is...
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-11 08:58 AM
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51. Greenwald isnt the one continuing the Patriot Act, MCA, domestic spying, Guantanamo, torture
and the wars.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 04:21 PM
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30. K&R, thanks for posting..
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Puregonzo1188 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 07:49 PM
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33. Great article. Disturbing, but great.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 08:24 PM
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34. When did Congress declare war
Did I miss that??
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:17 PM
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36. REC and kick. nt
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:29 PM
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38. Fuck.
Could someone point the direction out of this rabbit hole?
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:32 PM
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39. K&R
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dreamnightwind Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:53 PM
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40. K & R, but this one hurts
A most painful truth is reported here. It angers me beyond description that we got so little difference when we sent a Dem to the White House after 8 years of the worst, most criminal regime I have ever witnessed.

I can't believe there are Dems in this thread arguing the point. It has been obvious for all with eyes to see for some time now. We were punked. Our constitutional scholar anti-Iraq War anti-torture anti spying-on-Americans POTUS got elected, stepped into a phone booth (who knew there were still phone booths?), and emerged with Bush/Cheney policies written all over his chest.

Primary him in 2012, with someone who will speak the whole truth, without fear and without political consideration. These policies need to be exposed for what they are. And beyond that, we Democrats need to find a way to verify our candidates' intentions before we vote, and to hold them to it once they are in office. We need accountability.
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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:10 PM
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42. Damning Praise n/t
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Michigan-Arizona Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-11 12:10 AM
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43. K&R n/t
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-11 06:28 AM
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44. Sadly,
I am sure President Obama has profited handsomely from his "conversion" (my ass) to RW terror tactics.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-11 08:32 AM
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46. He will cash in his "Wall Street chips" after his presidency ends, but that's a different matter.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-11 06:45 AM
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45. And It Will Be Obama's ONLY Legacy
His choice to be Driver of the Torture Getaway Car is by far his most "historic" undertaking.

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-11 08:33 AM
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47. that 'interview' was a cheney infomercial...not one hardball question
not even close

all soft and fuzzy
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-11 08:49 AM
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49. I would be happy to see Obama switch parties
That would clarify things.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 12:14 PM
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53. Bingo. n/t
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-11 08:53 AM
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50. The established power loves continuity. n/t
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-11 10:01 AM
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52. K and R
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