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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 04:27 AM
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NYU Professor Jay Rosen Responds To James O'Keefe's Laughable Attempt At 'Sting'
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 04:33 AM by Hissyspit
http://pressthink.org/2011/10/lefty-journalism-professo...

Lefty journalism professor tries to discredit the Tea Party by passing along sensational footage to his buddies at the Times!!!

October 28th, 2011 by Jay Rosen

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=...

When I got to class, Lucas was already there. I welcomed him, introduced him to the class, and asked my students to be nice to him because he was thinking of coming to study at NYU. About 30 minutes later Clay showed up and we did what college professors do thousands of times a day at universities everywhere. We tell stories with ideas inside them and share how we think. We answer students questions and get them to share how they think. We try to complicate their picture of the world and inspire them to inquire further. This is the work of education. And this is what Clay and I did.

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I now realize he was scamming me and almost certainly taping me. The intended story line, worked out in advance, was lefty journalism professor jumps at the chance to assist with the discrediting of the Tea Party by passing along sensational footage to his buddies at the Times. Lucas was there to get me to say the words that, when diced and spliced, would sound like that. But it didnt work. I told him the Times wouldnt be interested. So no portion of that tape appears in OKeefes video.

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A student asked Shirky why the early coverage of Occupy Wall Street was meager and condescending. His answer was to the student and in a way to the protestors themselves: If you want Occupy Wall Street to succeed, you want them not to get press coverage in the beginning. OKeefe turns that into Shirky revealing the New York Times strategy to support Occupy Wall Street. The way the tape is edited, the you in you want them sounds like it refers to Times journalists, and so not covering Occupy Wall Street is really a secret plan at the Times to support the protests.

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As I said, when someone asks to sit it on my class, I say come on in. But my students are now shocked and angry that their learning environment has been invaded by a trickster like OKeefe. I need to prevent that from happening again. But the only way I can do so is by closing my classroom to all outsiders, or by looking into the background, motivations and character of potential visitors, which is creepy and offensive. OKeefe has struck at a pedagogical strengththe openness of my classroomand changed it into a weakness. In that precise sense, and no other, he is like a terrorist.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 04:38 AM
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1. Why do these dumb fucks believe they can take on a
Jay Rosen?
This is beautiful-thanks Prof!
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:43 AM
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2. O'Keefe is a small blob of santorum. n/t
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:47 AM
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3. I sat through the supposedly incriminating video made by Project Veritas,
(AKA James O'Keefe) and it was a real snooze fest. I fail to see what O'Keefe thought the "smoking gun" was, even though he tried hard to make it seem incriminating of...something.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 06:34 AM
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5. It really is pathetic. nt
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 01:06 AM
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14. If you have to fake every "smoking gun" you ever "discover"...
... what does that say about the position you are taking in your arguments?

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:50 AM
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4. O'Keefe is getting desperate
Notoriety is his oxygen and he's suffocating.
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good.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 04:51 PM
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15. Not to mention...
James O'Keefe is stealing our oxygen. :evilgrin:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 06:51 AM
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6. What's up with the guy smoking cigarettes?
Is that some secret filming technique?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 07:07 AM
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7. Comment just posted on Rosen's blog:
Your reference to diced and spliced is not entirely fair, as OKeefe typically releases edited versions of his stories (as does ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, WaPo, NY Times, etc.) But then, unlike these MSM entities, he then releases the entire underlying video & transcript. The later typically substantiates the facts revealed in the former. (When has, e.g., 60 minutes, a predecessor in gotcha journalism, ever done this?)

That said, OKeefe has hits & misses, and the NYU sting looks like a miss. If the edited video just released is the best OKeefe has, he doesnt have much. The real scandal is that kids are expending years of time & gathering a gargantuan student loan debt to hear rather dumb narcissistic droning lectures, and then to read blog posts as a homework assignment.

Morally, it verges on fraud. Journalism does not require formal training; any somewhat literate, somewhat intelligent person can do it.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:29 PM
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8. I responded there:
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 03:30 PM by Hissyspit
"Nonsense. The latter DOES NOT typically substantiate, but usually reveals the unprincipled nature of the editing. I would also like to know exactly WHAT hits (meaning actual good investigative exposes OKeefe has had, as opposed to slanderous hits on peoples reputations and livelihoods) OKeefe has had. Getting arrested and having a felony charge pled down for wiretapping a Congressperson is a hit? Was that one No. 1 on your chart? And your comments about journalism education and what goes on in classrooms are naive and uniformed and reveal a pedestrian stereotyped anti-intellectual bias.(Yes, student loan debt is a real concern. I dont think Jay Rosen is a loan officer.)"
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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:52 PM
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9. classic reply
we have a large segment of our country that now believes the money comes before ethics.

O'Keefe and his followers exemplify the anti-intellectual trend coming form the Right.

And Rick Perry is the stooge they are propping up on the stage this Election cycle. He is George Bush "without the brains" - lol... <-two birds with one stone!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 04:17 PM
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11. That's great, hissy!
:hi:
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:52 PM
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10. Well
You know what he's gonna do, right? The pattern is, "those on the liberal side who want OWS to succeed will try not to cover it, to hide that OWS is (supposedly) funded by big liberal interests." He wants to translate the protests into the language of business, and thus increase cynicism. This is the right's strategy and it has been working beautifully: the only reason Dems feel they must appeal to the center right is because so many on the left have completely lost faith in government. In all things, the Right wants the Left to seem as much like itself as possible, and therefore hypocritical and evil. Why not question his motivations?
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 04:44 PM
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12. all his stings were stupid
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 04:44 PM by Johonny
yet some of them did huge damage and congressional Democrats gave him validity by letting ACORN get taken down by basically a lie.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 06:57 PM
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13. A Santorum spot on the shorts of THE PRESS
Lubricated anal contents. Pttth.
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