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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:24 PM
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Are the Democrats going to step up and support the Occupy movement or not?
Or are they going to wimp out?

Do we have to do this without them?

I'm sick of the prevarication.

Dems in Congress: Get off the fence!

Dammit. We have the support of 70% of Americans.

We should be kicking Republican ass. This vehicle is perfect. Any Democrat should be embracing this.

Instead, crickets.

I'm thinking we have to do this independently.

What do you think?
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:26 PM
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1. Let the first Dem who is without corruption voice support for #Occupy.
Because that person will not be afraid of the fact that the current political system is obsolete and over.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:30 PM
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9. It's not obsolete, it's just been sold.
Get the money out of politics, and things will change for the better. Now they all have to sell themselves to get into office. Even the good ones.

You know, Bernie Sanders has spoke up for OWS. Here's a video of his: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HSaZOSWfrU
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:32 PM
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Get the money out of politics...would there be anything or anyone left?
Sort of like not being able to wash the old homestead because the dirt is the only thing holding it together.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:36 PM
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15. Okay, then publicly fund elections. n/t
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:37 PM
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16. Don't be afraid of change. The GA format of #Occupy is true democracy and a far better thing
than we currently have, with voter fraud, rigged electronic machines, bought judges saying "no recount", etc.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:48 PM
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20. Only a RepubliCON teabagger
believes in voter fraud. Now you show your true colors.
I hope that the Koch Brothers are paying you well for your posts. Yeah, go ahead and deny it. Just do as they tell you.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:02 PM
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30. Are you seriously addressing me? With that?
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 10:12 PM by Fire Walk With Me
"Only a republiCON teabagger

believes in voter fraud. Now you show your true colors.
I hope that the Koch Brothers are paying you well for your posts. Yeah, go ahead and deny it. Just do as they tell you."




:rofl:

Seriesly? Really? Come on, say you are.

:rofl:

Edit: Help help! He cast asparagus at me!
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:45 PM
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43. there's a difference between voter fraud and election fraud..
voter fraud is what republicans accuse ACORN in engaging in.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:02 PM
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45. Crap, my bad, I meant electronic voting machines and hanging chads, etc.
Fraud =against= voters. :blush:
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:12 PM
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49. oops!
:hi:
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:23 PM
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36. No, I disagree..... Cause I am not a Republicon, or a teabagger
but I believe that the right wing has a huge hand in both voter fraud, and disenfranchisement.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:36 PM
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39. Exactly, the disenfranchisement has been discussed here this week,
the attacks on hispanic voters and republican changes to voter registration laws etc.

And I clearly remember George W. Bush sitting in a jet with Jeb, smirking about how they were going to take Florida, you can count on it. Gloating.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:46 PM
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44. that would be election fraud, not voter fraud
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:03 PM
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46. Too late to edit my post. I'm suffering the same problem as Daffy Duck:
"Pronoun trouble". Thanks for the clarification.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:11 PM
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48. np
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:27 PM
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2. They have orders
not to, from their corporate masters.

Don't kid yourself, in thinking that they will do anything, unless they fear not getting elected.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:28 PM
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4. Yeah, I get that.
It's all about getting re-elected.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:27 PM
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3. All pols are agents for the .01%. nt
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:28 PM
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5. They are clearly terrified of the movement
Rarely do they all speak with one voice, as they do now. Even after 9/11 there was squabbling among Democrats, but the Occupy movement draws disdain from all.
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RegieRocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:29 PM
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6. Most are part of the 1% or 1% ass kissers. So....
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:30 PM
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7. Hell no....they have corporate masters, too n/t
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:30 PM
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8. October 5, 2011: Representative Peter DeFazio calls Occupy Wall Street "The American Awakening"
See HERE or, for full version see HERE on DU.

He's the real deal.

PB
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:33 PM
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12. Senator Bernie Sanders has been speaking about all this shit BEFORE OWS!
http://sanders.senate.gov is his website. Check out one of the reasons I will retire to Vermont!
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:34 PM
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13. Peter DeFazio speaks the TRUTH.
I'm from Oregon.

That guy is flat-out our best politician.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:37 PM
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17. Many democrats have supported the cause and those there. They
just are respecting the fact that OWS does not want the DCC to try and take control or make it their movement. That's the way I read it.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:32 PM
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10. Why should they?
With the "throw the bums out" mentality, Dems can't tell if they are wanted as allies or not.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:32 PM
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11. My guess is not
They will mouth a few platitudes like how they understand where the protesters are coming from, or they can identify with the goals of the movement.

And in that respect they will differ from republicans who will dismiss all Occupy people as dirty fucking hippies, George Soros puppets, or islamist dupes manipulated by Obama.

But no republicans and few Democrats will dare to say anything that will offend the people who write the checks.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:34 PM
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14. I was at a fundraiser for my Congressman, Maurice Hinchey,
he's been speaking about all this for a long time.
I'm certain that he would stand up with OWS.
If he was home, I'd go over to his house and ask him!
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:44 PM
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19. +1, and thanks. n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:39 PM
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18. Should they get involved, and to what end? Seems the OWS
is getting plenty of press by themselves, and the sides are being drawn. I think political involvement would dilute the message. This is grassroots and should probably stay that way.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:52 PM
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23. I get your point, and I partly agree.
Sooner or later, however, they have to take a stand.

:)
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:49 PM
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21. You don't think certain Dems would be laughed out of the building if they profess to support OWS?
At some point the question would be,..well then so why did you vote for this bill or that bill?
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:59 PM
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27. Why is that bad?
The majority of 'Mericans support OWS.

We should work together to replace these certain Dems who can't account for their votes on this bill or that bill.

:)
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:07 PM
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32. Oh I thought you were talking about Democratic reps but you are talking about
Members.

I imagine the sympathies are in line but most I talk to want to know what action they are supporting should they fall behind OWS.


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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:37 PM
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40. Yes!
I think we will learn much in the coming days.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:52 PM
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22. Democrats who REALLY want to support the Occupy movement can get their ass in gear and work...
...to start passing legislation which addresses the continuing economic disparity in this country. They don't need to show up at a single protest or make a single speech supporting Occupy to do that.

In short, all they need to do is...their job.

PB
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:56 PM
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24. Centrist dems have fucked the party - we will se if
Progressives can unfuck it.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:56 PM
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25. I hope not.
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 09:57 PM by jefferson_dem
This is the "people's movement." The best thing the Dems can do is get the fuck out of the way ... and do their job.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:58 PM
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26. Steve, we have to do this independently
We aren't going to get help from the Democrats inside the beltway bubble. Too many of them are just as beholden to the same slimy, greedy special interests that the Republicans are. It was a handful of corporate Democrats who destroyed the public option that would have made the health care bill something to be proud. Because of them, private health insurers are still running a racket. But those senators will still get their bribes large corporate campaign contributions. Even the corporate Democrat who lost her bid for re-election was last seen ignobly taking a job as a lobbyist for a conservative firm.

The system is too corrupt to respond to a popular movement. We're really on our own.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:06 PM
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31. Jack, I'm on your side.
Too many Democrats are Republicans in disguise and vote likewise.

And, yeah, we're sort of prepared to be on our own. It's just that we're getting old and I anticipate life is going to be tougher for my wife and my kids and our extended family.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:21 PM
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35. I'll be 60 next Thursday
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 10:41 PM by Jack Rabbit
EDITED to correct typing error.

Life will be tougher in the coming years whether we do anything or not. So we may as well do something.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:28 PM
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37. Hell yeah.
I'm right behind you. 57 soon.

:)
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:01 PM
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28. No and it's probably better if they don't. OWS hates them too.
WE should take over the Democratic Party with 99% candidates as the idiot teabaggers did with the Republicans. Knock off the Blue Dogs, DLC and "Third Way" pieces of shit and put in some real progressives.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:02 PM
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29. OWS won't allow itself to be co-opted..The game is changing and no one wants to
play Monopoly anymore. Wall St....go directly to jail. Park Place is under water. And all the money is fake.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:26 PM
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53. I hope you're right. n/t
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:14 PM
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33. All they have to do to really support the movement is to do their jobs
It is the failure to function for the benefit of the people that have created the movement.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:16 PM
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34. Hell no the spineless SOBs won't even step up and
support their own president.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:34 PM
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38. Your post makes a great deal of sense.
We have a Democratic President!

These Blue Dog turds in Congress need a big flush.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:43 PM
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41. About the only Democrats that I see backing Obama
are people like Alan Grayson that don't even hold an office today. Doesn't he have any allies in Congress with the balls to back him up?
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:43 PM
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42. I don't care what anyone else does
I am going to do what I do...and that is take food to my local occupation, stand on the streets with my signs, listen to some of the world's saddest stories coming from kids with nothing but their dreams to carry in their pockets.

I don't much give a damn anymore who is in or out. I am in. I have been for almost two weeks.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:28 PM
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54. +1
What you said.
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:07 PM
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47. Uh, that would be a no.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:13 PM
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50. Kinda like asking the 7th Cavalry to support the Sioux at the Little Big Horn.
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 11:13 PM by Tierra_y_Libertad
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:18 PM
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51. I want this to be a people's movement and I would prefer politicians keep their distance
While I want politicians to let the people lead this movement, I also expect them to do something when they see people's rights being violated. They don't need to stand with us in the streets, but they do need to stand up for us when we are assaulted by an out of control police force.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:23 PM
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52. I don't want them to...
OWS is liberal ideologically.

Democrats... not so much.

The majority of Democrats are moderates or conserative.
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