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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:06 PM
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Keep this kicked: list of elected Democrats denouncing Olsen shooting
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 08:06 PM by MannyGoldstein
We should have the backs of those elected Democrats who have spoken out against the brutal shooting of Scott Olsen. Olsen was shot in the head at close distance for exercising his Constitutional rights to free speech and free assembly, the very rights he fought to protect for us during his service in Iraq.

Here's the complete list of Democratic leaders who have denounced the shooting, as far as I know:

<this space intentionally left blank>

Please add to the list if you know others that I've missed, and keep this kicked so we can all know who's on our side.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:07 PM
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1. Kick.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-11 03:41 PM
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262. for the record....
the fighting in iraq had NOTHING to do with americans' rights, except squashing them, perhaps.

that might have been what scott olsen THOUGHT he was fighting for, but he would have been wrong.

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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:08 PM
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2. K&R for our brave Democratic politicians..
They are always ready to stand up for the 99%.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 09:10 AM
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47. The 99% of the 1%. nt
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:08 PM
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3. K&R
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:08 PM
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4. Well, there's...
and uh... :eyes:
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flpab Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 08:43 AM
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40. thank you
I won't hold my breath. I love faith in most of Florida's Democrats years ago.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:58 PM
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105. We haven't had a good pol from Fl since Graham & Grayson left.
All the others are soooooo corporate DLC.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:08 PM
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5. Damn Manny you had my heart racing
for a second there. I thought someone had actually stepped up to the plate.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:09 PM
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6. I cannot express how blown away I am by this situation.
It's so black and white. So awful.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:14 PM
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9. This is such a heart breaking time.
I'm crushed that the people I have supported all of my life are silent in the face of these outrages. It sure does remove the veil of illusion.
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:18 PM
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25. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil..."
"...is that good men do nothing." --Edmund Burke
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:38 AM
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63. I'll see your Burke and raise you Mario Savio:
"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odiousmakes you so sick at heartthat you can't take part. You can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all."
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:28 PM
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92. This 'outrageous' behavior does not occur in a vacuum
Consider the too numerous other cases - perhaps a good start was the validation of the 2000 election and it's been one example after another...let me count the numerous, numerous times.
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:34 PM
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93. Classic Example
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 08:36 AM
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39. Yet these same gutless cowards NEVER fail to tell us how our troops are
defending our rights when fighting their trumped up wars of aggression/resource stealing. :grr:

A twice Iraq vet exercises these rights and gets shot in the head and none of these cowards come out to denounce.


Not one!


These cowards are Never allowed to use that BS 'defending our rights' crap EVER AGAIN!


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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:59 AM
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72. +1000
:thumbsup:
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 08:26 AM
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36. It's infuriating
I am so fed up with ALL of Washington at this point.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:52 AM
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85.  I am so fed up with ALL of Washington at this point.
DC is on another planet... and therefore it take lightyears for information to reach its remote sector.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:36 AM
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59. I also fell for it. Very clever OP. I will check in for updates.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:09 PM
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7. kicing for the loud silence. . . . n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:12 PM
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8. Real profiles in courage, they would be.
I do know a few Democrats who've worn the uniform of the United States to Iraq and Afghanistan who should be in office.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:20 PM
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10. Barbara Lee put out a statement but it was very weak
Here is her statement in its entirity:

"I shared my outrage and grave concern about the police brutality in Oakland directly with the Mayor. My thoughts go out to the injured and especially Scott Olsen . I strongly support the occupy movement and continue to stand with the peaceful protesters in this struggle for economic justice and equality."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/27/1030603/-Comme...

I have a lot of respect for Barbara Lee, in fact she is probably my favorite member of Congress, but her statement is extremely weak. While I certainly agree with what she says, I am very frustrated by what she did not say. Nowhere in her statement did she call for any sort of accountability whatsoever, I don't care if she is outraged I want her to do something about it. She is the representative for Oakland and she needs to show leadership, putting out a weak three sentance statement is not leadership. If she does more later I will withdraw my criticism, but I will be very disappointed if this is all she is going to do about this.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:31 PM
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13. It puts her in the top 0.00001% of elected Democrats on this matter.
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 08:32 PM by MannyGoldstein
Thanks for sharing this info!
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:38 PM
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15. True, but I am still very disappointed with her statement
I am even more disappointed with the other 534 members of Congress who are completely silent of course, but if Lee's statement is the best we can get then we need to stop pretending there is anyone in Congress who stands with the 99%.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:38 AM
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62. I would count that as #1. I take bach my statement. She only said that on
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 10:40 AM by peacetalksforall
Twitter?
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #10
65. Thanks for that. At least there's still one Dem in whom I believe. Agree
with you about its weakness, though.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #10
121. Her statement was very weak, and it took far too long. (nt)
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catrose Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 04:09 PM
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138. when she stood up to the warmongers and voted no
I called her office and to say thank you. The phone answerer was shocked, shocked I tell you. Apparently "thanks" wasn't what he'd been hearing.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 07:58 PM
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181. Rep. Barbara Lee was on Thom Hartmann today -- by telephone --
If I recall correctly -- she was saying that there has to be an investigation into

the behavior of the police -- the apology by Mayor is nice -- but has to be an investigation!

Wasn't totally concentrated on what she was saying as I was driving -- but think she'll be

pushing for it.

Manwhile, don't know if you read the OP by "Tavener" about his own father who was a police

officer and the police brutality many practiced in the 60's that he was aware of. But I think

it shocked even those of us who have all along suspected it.

Sad --
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 06:04 PM
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232. At least she uttered the words 'police brutality' which apparently
takes incredible courage for a Representative of the people to do.

I just did a google search and found, nothing.
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 01:31 AM
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267. Lee is pretty tied into the power structure in Oakland... she won't need to argue this in the press
If she really wants an investigation she'll be able to push the power structure (the city council or the mayor or simply all the donors that allow any of them to continue to hold those positions) to have an investigation.

The real worry, of course, for Lee... would be doing something to embarrass/alienate too much of her own base in the district so that the little slivers of Republicans in Alameda, the hills, and whatnot, might actually be able to show up in larger numbers than said base.

Unfortunately, the fear card is so strong in Oakland that the cops are often near untouchable ("they're the thin blue line blah blah blah")

All told though, I'd be surprised if she didn't manage to push an investigation... how long it might take, on the other hand, I'd not want to hazard a guess on. ;)
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:22 PM
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11. K&R!
Anyone jumping on the anti-Oakland bandwagon will cause a rift in modern politics. #Occupy will have polarized those who wish to remain untouchable. It will turn us further against such heartlessness. But if they speak up, then #Occupy will have entered the White House and all will have to respond. This is a lose-lose for the embedded politician. Hooray!
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:29 PM
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12. K&R. nt
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:33 PM
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14. K&R.
:crickets:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:40 PM
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16. Deleted sub-thread
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Huey P. Long Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:54 PM
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17. kicking for the SILENCE! -eom
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:09 PM
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18. These cowardly bastards wouldn't denounce anything, as you've correctly pointed out.
Thanks, Manny, for pointing out the obvious.

+1
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:19 PM
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19. Barbara Lee's office sent out a tweet this mornng.
@RepBarbaraLee Rep. Barbara Lee
I shared my outrage and concern about police brutality with Mayor. My thoughts go out to injured - especially Scott Olsen. #OccupyOakland

http://twitter.com/#!/RepBarbaraLee/status/129584012887...
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:23 PM
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20. Lee seems to be the only one
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 09:24 PM by MannyGoldstein
Good on her - but a sad situation.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #19
67. "with the mayor" ???
:wtf: :banghead:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:06 PM
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123. That was the calmest, gentlest "outrage" I've ever seen. (nt)
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SalviaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:24 PM
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21. k
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:25 PM
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22. It's Hard To Denouce, After You've Shit Your Pants...
:shrug:

:kick: & Rec !!!

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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:22 AM
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55. kicking n/t
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #22
66. Truer words have seldom been spoken here. Wish I could
rec your response a gazillion X infinity.
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louslobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:27 PM
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23. K&R
Lou
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:55 PM
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24. kick
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:24 PM
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26. Windsocks and sellouts don't step up and sure as hell not against the cops
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:32 PM
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27. every day and in every way they
show us who they really were all these years
shame
kick and rec
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Danascot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 06:28 AM
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28. If this had happened to a Teabagger at a Tea Party rally
How many GOP politicians would we have heard from by now? 99%?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 06:56 AM
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30. Spot on. nt
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Randypiper Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #28
150. And the media
how much coverage would there be?
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 06:49 AM
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29. I'm sending a copy of this link to my rep: Keating in Massachusetts.
Maybe they just need some encouragement.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 06:57 AM
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31. Other than Barbara Lee, *crickets*. Hey thanks Dems! The "party" is a real Profile in Courage.
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 06:59 AM by myrna minx
:eyes: Can you imagine if this had happened to a bagger?
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 07:25 AM
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32. Kick for shame.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 07:46 AM
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33. Their consultants need more time to study the situation.
Are you expecting some sort of morality or empathy?
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #33
37. I'd like to see the lot of them dropped off on a deserted island
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 08:29 AM by Marrah_G
Republican, Democrat, Independent ... I am so fed up with them all.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 08:49 AM
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44. i know the feeling.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #33
54. They haven't gotten the poll results back yet to determine the "correct" response.
Or they've still got their finger in the air determining which way the wind is blowing.

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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #33
68. Again, truer words have seldom been spoken. (That's three
separate comments, including the OP, that have reached that threshhold.) Wish I could rec your resposne a gazillion x infinity.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 04:58 PM
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147. Yes, that's right...
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 04:59 PM by CoffeeCat
They're focus-grouping the situation, as we speak. After those results are
factored, they'll conduct a poll to determine the political fallout (or bump
in the polls for them), and then we'll see the determined political reaction--based on
what's best for our politicians.

We must be patient when it comes to OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES WHO ARE SUPPOSED
TO REPRESENT ***US***. They need to be strategic about calling out tranny, Fascism
and the evaporation of our democracy.

:mad:
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 08:17 AM
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34. K&R
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 08:22 AM
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35. fucking cowards, all of them.......
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 08:32 AM
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38. kick
:kick:
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Sportsguy Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 08:43 AM
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41. Kicked.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 08:45 AM
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42. No wonder impeachment was off the table.
It takes real guts to do stuff. Like, taking a shotgun fired beanbag from close range to the head.
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 09:30 AM
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51. +1 k&r n/t
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Gin Blossom Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:22 AM
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78. Impeachment would have been too divisive.
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 11:25 AM by Gin Blossom
Our thoughtful Dem leadership is very concerned that America can't handle any more divisiveness. If it could, boy, then they'd speak up!

PS - I fell for the OP's subject line too.
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 09:34 AM
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227. Fox News and Rush limbaugh is what is dividing us. eom.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 08:47 AM
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43. K&R for the good/REAL Dems! n/t
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 09:06 AM
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45. They're doing what they do best. Covering for each other's incompetence and perfidy. REC. nt
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 09:10 AM
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46. Kick! If they ain't agin it, they're fer it! nt
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 09:23 AM
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48. I'm calling Dick Durbin's office for his opinion on the matter.
I'm not holding my breath, though....
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 09:25 AM
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49. Looks like we're doing a better job governing ourselves
Throw them all out!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 09:53 AM
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52. +1000000!
:thumbsup:
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 09:28 AM
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50. K&R
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snort Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:13 AM
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53. Thank you for posting this.
It is depressing and needs to go viral. This should be forwarded to all Dem members of the House.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:26 AM
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56. Another K&R for the brave Democrats who have the back of the 99%..



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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:30 AM
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57. They're climbing all over each other to support us!
Especially during breaks in the Super-Duper Catfood Commission meetings!
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:30 AM
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58. K&R Devastating post. Thank you. nt
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:37 AM
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60. Hah! The Democratic Party is in bed with the 1%. Many of them
secretly support the crackdown. Take Governor Jerry Brown, for example. He hasn't said word one about it, to my knowledge. But, to paraphrase some of the authoritarian DUers here from yesterday's discussions, why should Brown have to say anything? He's only the Governor of California. What a fucking Quisling he's turned out to be. Then I remembered that, while Oakland's Mayor in 2003, Brown unleashed the OPD on anti-war protesters. Same shit, different day.
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:38 AM
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61. Letter I just sent to my Rep.
Dear Representative Hinchey,

First let me thank you for your continued and constant efforts in protecting the rights of middle class,
working class, and the unemployed and their families. I am proud to have you as my representative.

I labeled this under Homeland Security because, to me, this is an issue of the security of our communities. As you are probably aware, a young Iraqi Veteran, Scott Olsen was seriously injured at the Oakland demonstrations the other night. This is a young marine who survived two tours in Iraq, only to be wounded while exercising his rights - and thus protecting all of ours - in Oakland. My concern is that members of the Progressive Caucus and those in the Democratic Party have been entirely silent, save for Representative Lee. You are my Representative and you are a member of the Progressive Caucus, so. . .

I would hope that you and other members of the Progressive Caucus would offer your public support to Scott Olsen and reaffirm the right to peacefully petition the government, and to call on cooler heads to prevail - with the implied recognition that, to date, it has generally been the demonstrators who have clearly shown the cooler heads. Again, thanks for everything that you do. While I am often disappointed by the Democratic Party (at least of late - in fact, they now often come off as Republican Lite), I have never been disappointed by you.

Sincerely,

Tomg




( I really like Hinchey and he is one of the really good guys, so I mean what I say about him and the Dems in general).
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:47 AM
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69. May I borrow some of your verbiage to send to my rep (Karen Bass in
California's 33rd)?
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:21 AM
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77. Absolutely. If it works, use it. nt
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:23 PM
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90. Thank you. Just emailed Bass using your language pretty much
intact, save to edit to reflect fact that Bass belongs to Progressive and Black Caucuses (just like Barabara Lee).

Thanks again.

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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:28 PM
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91. At least we have Progressives
we can write to. Good luck.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 02:46 PM
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113. Sent a letter to my Congressperson about this OP. nt
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 07:40 PM
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177. Thanks for that Tom.
Hinchey is the MAN!
Be certain that he will get back to you, and he will support #OWS if he hasn't already done so.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:40 AM
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64. Like the sound of one hand clapping.
K & R :argh:
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:49 AM
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70. Downright shameful!
Their silence speaks volumes.


:mad:

:argh:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:54 AM
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71. K&R
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:00 AM
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73. Thanks for posting this, Manny
K&R
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:11 AM
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74. Kick for the tsunami of brave Democrats who have the back of the 99%
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:54 PM
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104. Where's Al Franken?
Got an email from him this morning asking for donations to help him elect more Democrats...

Needless to say, I'm all out of charity for More of the Same.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:14 AM
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75. Don't fuck with the Marines.
162 recs!

Doncha KNOW that just drives a certain group crazy! :crazy:

Lemme know if you find any, I will post the same if I come across any with a backbone.
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kag Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:16 AM
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76. k&r n/t
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sarchasm Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:27 AM
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79. Barbara Lee on Morning Joe this morning.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:37 AM
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80. The "Two Parties" is an illusion...
...whose purpose is to perpetuate the myth
that the American People have a choice.

The Unified Silence of the Democratic Party on the Gunning Down of a Marine Veteran who was
exercising his Constitutional Rights is only ONE incident in a long list of betrayals over the last 30 years
where the Party of the Working People has shown their true colors.

They don't work for us.
They work for THEM.



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity99!
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:39 AM
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81. +1
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a2liberal Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:41 AM
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82. K&R (n/t)
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:46 AM
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83. Governor Brown? Hellloooo Jerry?!
You used to be mayor of this town. Any comment?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-11 04:59 PM
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264. When he was the mayor, he wanted the youth to be in military schools, as a way out from the
Edited on Sat Nov-05-11 04:59 PM by truedelphi
Ghetto. How liberal is that?



In Winter of 1981-82, I lost my skin pigment to the waves of helicopters spraying Santa Clara County with malathion under Jerry Brown's Administration the first time around. On the aerial malathion spraying issue, he decided it was far better to poison Californians than make the trade groups from Japan and the Big Farming Interests unhappy.






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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 05:09 AM
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270. My son's were caught in the malathion spraying of 1990
They had an early morning paper route.
They were 12 and 14 neither of them had every been seriously ill before that time. Shortly after the spraying my older son had a very bad asthma attack never had one before and has not had one since. My youngest son was not so lucky. He slowly became weaker and weaker over the next six months developed horrible skin rashes and was finally diagnosed with dermatomyositis on is January 24,1991 (his 13th birthday). He has been in and out of remission many time since then and has suffered greatly. I strongly believe it was triggered by the malathion spraying.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 03:39 PM
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288. I am so sorry to hear about this -
having skin ailments is terrible, as so many dermatologists are clueless.

dermatomyositis - what exactly is that?

Sometimes I have skin flare ups, in reaction to the new pesticides sprayed on orchards near me. These are poison oak-like rashes, and I do a two day vinegar cleanse, where I eat nothing but small amounts of veggies and drink vinegar. (It isn't poison oak because prednisone doesn't help, and the rash doesn't "weep.")

I had gone to dermatologists about it, and they don't have anything that really helps. (Though they don't mind hitting me with a $ 150 bill for their non-advice.)

I went to a neighbor's Saturday party, and mentioned how much the vinegar treatment had helped. Basically the ugly, warty-rash things had cleared up, and in just two days.

Then I noticed my girlfriend's mom eying me weirdly. It turns out that the mother works for a dermatologist - and she later told her daughter that she could not believe how well my rash had improved through my using a "non-pharmaceutical" on it.

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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:47 AM
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84. Kick for the multitude of brave Democrats who have the back of the 99%
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:55 AM
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86. knr
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:56 AM
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87. Kicking!
175 Recommends!
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:56 AM
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88. Would it be enough if they uttered a few hypocritical words of sympathy?
Would it change their class character one iota? Would it make them more willing to abandon the repressive structure of which they are an integral part? Keep asking.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:06 PM
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89. Kick..
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:37 PM
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94. k/r
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:43 PM
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95. I think your list is pretty complete as of now. nt
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:43 PM
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96. K&R

:kick:

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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:45 PM
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97. I'm really surprised that Rep. Dennis Kucinich hasn't spoken up.
:(

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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 04:59 PM
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148. While he hasn't yet addressed the Scott Olsen incident
he most certainly supports OWS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2He1Crm97Y

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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:56 PM
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190. Thank you! I'm happy to say that I just received this E-mail from him.
Occupy

Dear Friends,

An Iraq War veteran who survived two tours of duty gets his skull fractured in ... Oakland!
53 activists arrested in Atlanta. SWAT teams deployed to boot out peaceful protesters.

Recent actions against Occupy protesters are irresponsible and tragic. They're an assault on our democracy. These protesters are bravely exercising their right to freedom of expression, to bring attention to a political and economic system that's rigged against most Americans. I stand with them; and, all Americans -- left and right -- should join me in protecting their freedom to non-violently create change.

This isn't a Democratic or Republican movement. It's not about one party or one policy. It's about standing up to a financial system that's completely backwards. Wall Street banks get billions in bailouts and emerge with massive profits. Most Americans see a program of austerity in a painful economic climate -- benefit cuts, high unemployment, declining wages, and crumbling infrastructure. Congress moved swiftly to "save" banks (something I strongly opposed), and now Congress is paralyzed, unable to create jobs and to save our middle class.

It's no surprise Americans are standing up. Our country's economic policies have consolidated and accelerated wealth to the top. One percent of Americans now control 42% of our wealth. It's not radical to think this is out of balance or to demand a government that is of the people and for the people. I've been to these protests, and I can tell you they're filled with honest, hard working Americans who are concerned with the direction of our country and our economic future.

I am deeply concerned. I'm concerned about an economic system which tethers job creation to China and big banks. We shouldn't have to borrow money from China -- or Japan or South Korea -- to get out of this ditch. We should stop the Fed from giving billions to the big banks. We have to take back the power to manage our own economy, to regain control over our monetary system, consistent with the U.S. Constitution. That's why, one month ago, I introduced the National Emergency Employment Defense (NEED) Act. The legislation would put the Federal Reserve under the Department of the Treasury, and it would help us recapture control of our financial system. As part of the NEED Act, Congress would use its constitutional power to invest in America, creating millions of jobs by putting billions of dollars directly into circulation. And since this money is adding real, tangible value to our national wealth, it will not generate inflation.

We need a financial system that is of the people and for the people. We need to take it back from the big banks. We need economic and social justice. I will continue to support the Occupy movement. I will continue to fight for legislation, including the NEED Act, that sets America on a path of jobs for all, health care for all, education for all, retirement security for all, and peace.

Let's keep this movement alive. Let's keep fighting for economic and social justice. Keep occupying Wall Street. And, with your help, I'll keep occupying Congress.

With respect,
Dennis Kucinich


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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 07:18 AM
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198. Thank YOU!
I didn't get one from Dennis. (Sob!)

I'm glad he stepped up. (Wonder if he reads DU?)
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 09:05 AM
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201. I probably got it because I contribute to his campaign so he has my E-mail address..
He's one of the few politicians that I truly respect. I'm so glad that he sent this.

(You're welcome!)

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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 05:31 AM
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248. Kucinich. +1 n/t
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:51 PM
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98. Kicking for the brave Dems to Step up
I'll take anyone elected stepping up.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:53 PM
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99. We have a small group of Progressives on record as supporting OWS...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Lori Saldana, Washington's Marko Liias, Eric Griego (NM-1), Ilya Sheyman (IL-10), Lois Frankel (FL-22), Franke Wilmer (MT-AL), and Wenona Benally Baldenegro (AZ-1).
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:06 PM
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124. At least there are a few -
our city council here in Houston are supportive (it's a pretty small occupation down here as you might suspect) - http://houston.culturemap.com/newsdetail/10-27-11-occup... /

We do have a liberal and openly lesbian mayor and progressive council. Houston itself is pretty blue but the suburbs are another story. South of the city, where there is more diversity, we are making some progress.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:37 PM
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100. Deleted message
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:42 PM
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101. Yea, well you just wait
When President Palin gets in office, you'll be sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:sarcasm:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:45 PM
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102. Seriously! Their silence says it all, IMCPO.
:grr:
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:51 PM
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103. K and R
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 02:01 PM
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106. OK, what am I missing? I do not see a link.
All I see is a bracketed <this space intentionally left blank>
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:03 PM
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116. That's intentional RebelOne -
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 03:03 PM by TBF
the point of Manny's post is that none of the democratic leaders have come out and denounced the shooting of Olsen. Isn't that something?
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 02:10 PM
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107. Manny....
...watch-out now. If you're not careful you're gonna expose our "Democratic leaders" for what they truly are, and who they truly represent. And to whose money they're addicted to.


- Then what'll we do??? We have no place else to go. Remember???


K&R












''All tyranny needs to gain a foothold, is for people of good conscience to remain silent.'' ~ Thomas Jefferson.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 02:13 PM
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108. If I had a buck for every "Manny sucks" post...
I'd be able to buy a new Ford Focus.

But some "Manny sucks" post are better than others, yours is in the good camp.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 02:32 PM
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110. Thank you.
- We both love the smell of truth in the morning. And I'm one of your greatest fans!!!
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 02:24 PM
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109. Didn't Bernie Sanders say something about it on
Thom Hartmann's show today?

I'll talk to my congressman, Maurice Hinchey in the next couple of days, and see if he'll address it at a town hall meeting. My gut feeling is that he will come out for Olsen, and against the OPD.
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:51 PM
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135. Hey Rocco,
I sent Maurice a letter. It is upthread.
Hope all is well in Rosendale.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:24 PM
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153. Bernie's an independent, though.
n/t.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:24 AM
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277. bernie is not a democrat
i love him but he is an independent
the silence from the DNC from top to bottom sickens me
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think4yourself Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 02:32 PM
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111. The window on sincerity is closing.
Any comments made after a while are just the usual empty platitudes. I know I didn't stay quiet it on this and I didn't triangulate which position best benefits me.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:15 PM
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129. IMO it closed the next day.
They fired a canister of tear gas at the people trying to help him. There's just no excuse for not speaking out... the local and state officials (at least) should have been all over it before COB the next day.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 02:35 PM
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112. Well played, Manny.
:thumbsup:

What a shambolic mess of Third-Way milquetoasts our once-fierce party sometimes seems to have become.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 02:59 PM
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114. Kicked and recommended! nt
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:00 PM
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115. Kick..
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:04 PM
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117. K&R n/t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:04 PM
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118. Wow. Just hopped in to kick, haven't seen if there's a name yet. Wow. nt
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:05 PM
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119. What... he was only shot in the head. And so what that they fired tear gas into the crowd
as they were trying to help him.

The silence on this issue tells us what to expect... so yeah, we are already on our own, Mr. President.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:05 PM
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120. sad that this is even necessary
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:06 PM
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122. if you haven't read Jack London's IRON HEEL, you've GOT to--it gets more relevant every day
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:52 PM
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136. here it is for free
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 12:38 PM
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205. it covers media control, co-opting political activists, and what happens when the oligarchs think
they can't control elected officials.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 12:39 PM
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206. it even has a mercenary army that defends oligarchs: the ''Black Hand'' instead of Blackwater
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:21 PM
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152. +1 k&r
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 12:49 PM
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208. Fuuny how all they teach in public schools is Jack London's 'Call
Edited on Sat Oct-29-11 12:52 PM by coalition_unwilling
of the Wild,' isn't it? Oh, and "To Build a Fire".
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 02:57 AM
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223. sort of like Twain's ''War Prayer'' and anti-imperialist writings.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:09 PM
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125. DAmn!!!
STILL waiting!

:spank:
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:10 PM
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126. K&R
The really is no democratic Democratic Party, only Wimpocrats and Republicrats (repuke lites)
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Xtraneous Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:13 PM
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127. Actually this is a good thing
it will convince even more who say we live in free society to understand that our choices are bad and worse as long as the majority is controlled by the whims of the 1%.

And maybe it's a sign that these wimps are running scared as their overlords are telling them to do the opposite of what we are demanding. They're busy crafting the most challenging mountain of politispeak bs in their careers.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:15 PM
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128. Let the true face of this party be seen by all.
Thank you Manny.
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oldhippydude Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:15 PM
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130. i just got something in the e-mail
from the progessive campaign committee, i forwarded this thread... wonder if they will get the hint
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louslobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:26 PM
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131. Just checking back in to see all of the names of Democratic leaders on the list. Who has the list?
Manny, is the list posted somewhere else? Maybe I'm not looking in the right place.......please let me know.....and thanks for this post, it speaks volumes. Sarcasm Alert.
Lou
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NICO9000 Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:42 PM
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132. My God, they are a disgrace, aren't they?
Thanks for this, Manny!

:yourock:
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:44 PM
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133. k/r
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 03:48 PM by Doctor_J
it's good to know what we're up against, and who has the guts to speak aloud against the terrorism. Oh wait
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:50 PM
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134. Imagine the line at the microphone if one of the occupiers shot a cop
there would probably be a unanimously approved resolution to denounce the entire OWS by the end of the day. The silence is very telling
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 03:53 PM
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137. k and r. the truth shall set us free.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 04:17 PM
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140. with this congress? The truth will set a fee,
payable to the Committee to Re-Elect ______________.
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yoyossarian Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 04:15 PM
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139. I think we need an entirely new slate of Dem candidates
Cuz I'd rather flay myself alive than vote Creepublican...

But at this point, it's hard to be a proud Dem.

Many thanx, Manny! K&R for a truly heartbreaking but VERY instructional thread.
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Paper Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 04:19 PM
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141. Is there hope for any of us? This poor soldier,
May he recover quickly and the idiot responsible brought to justice. One can only hope that the politico's will pay attention.

Doubtful. I have lost faith in justice for all.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 04:26 PM
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142. This thread needs theme music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvsX03LOMhI

Thanks for the thread, MannyGoldstein.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 09:09 PM
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220. Heh.
Good one.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 04:33 PM
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143. for some reason, I'm hearing the "Jeopardy!" music in my head
:kick:
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 04:34 PM
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144. I'm betting this is a waste of time.
Cynical ploy... I'll bet it gets turned around by the GOP easily enough. Yes you can try to make a star of this guy, and claim that because he was willing to risk his life for this cause it was worthy, but I'm sure the Rethugs will turn it around.

This may have potential to get some names, but those names won't necessarily translate into behind the scenes arm-twisting for Occupy. This is what armchair politics gets you: FAILURE.

I also find it repugnant that the party of equality would hail a soldier as more important than the masses of others who have risked their lives. But I guess this is a cynical appeal to the Rethugs isn't it? LOL, cynical indeed.

I won't recommend this. This is exactly the road that leads to the end of Occupy and the triumph of the status quo.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:39 PM
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158. Imagine..
A Tea Party Patriot vet at a Tea Party Rally was gunned down in an event easy to perceive as deliberate mayhem on the part of the police.

Two days later, exactly one significant politician on either side has weighed in on the matter.

Smell test, does this scenario pass it?

Moving on.

Liberals are ambiguous about vets but conservatives are too. Liberals are ambiguous and distrustful of the things the military is told to do very often while being supportive of the individual serviceman, conservatives are gung ho for the mission, the more the merrier, the troops as people not so much.
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 07:26 PM
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171. Soldiers as heroes.
I don't think the Repugs can turn this story around unless Olsen is a pedophile. More likely, they ignore the story and it goes away.

I agree that the "liberal" feeding-frenzy on this story is somewhat cynical. Singling out somebody as unquestionably worthy because he is a soldier and a war veteran requires swallowing a big right-wing bullshit meme. Our media has used "support the troops" as a substitute for discussion and debate on the wars that those troops have been sent to fight. The lack of informed debate on those wars and our military establishment is a national disgrace and one of the poisons that is undermining our society.

Reining in our military spending and diverting those resources to constructive ends is one of the essential reforms that OWS should be pushing.
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:30 PM
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188. Now I want to be clear, he may make a great candidate in time.
He certainly has character. But making a movement about one man is not a good idea... Obama should have taught us that.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 04:42 PM
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145. Kick
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 04:46 PM
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146. K&R!
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:04 PM
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149. k&r
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:20 PM
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151. "look forward, not backward...look forward, not backward...look forward, not backward..".
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 05:22 PM by Ken Burch
Repeat as needed.....


And remember...it's ALL about the 45-dimensional chess.

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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:25 PM
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154. Mr. Stupid checking in here...
I was looking for a list of names - I guess the point was - NO ONE HAS THE BA*** TO STEP UP.
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wial Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:27 PM
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155. Not the first time, either
Back in 1984 there was a 13 week restaurant workers and bartenders strike in San Francisco. No media coverage because it was a dem city in an election year, and the GOP hates unions anyway, and besides, the restaurant owners and the media owners are all friends, if not the same people. Then a friend of mine, a Harvard educated labor organizer who happened also to be as beautiful as someone in a Botticelli painting, had her face torn open by an off duty police officer, while she was handing out checks to strikers in front of a restaurant. The policeman fled through the back of the restaurant. Still, media blackout, while the city boiled. Then one station in the east bay started covering the story, showing her brutalized beautiful face, and the city started to go crazy. A general strike was scheduled, as is happening now. When that got publicized, the restaurant owners settled, although in later years they managed to crush the union further. My friend (whose name I forget!) won a very large settlement. Never heard of this? Wonder why?

My own google searches for the story are coming up blank about the incident, although I do find mention of the strike itself. You're welcome to try "Hotel and Restaurant Employees and Bartenders Union local 2 1984 san francisco".

As in 1984 the next logical step is general strike and I'm glad they're taking it November 2.

The bought and paid for dem politicians currently in office do not represent the people of the democratic party let alone people at all. We'll have to do this on our own, and elect real dems going forward.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:28 PM
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156. Stop it this very minute, harsh DUers.
I`m absolutely certain that our "leaders" are preparing a courageous and unambiguous statement. They`re just waiting to hear from Frank Luntz before they speak.
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:33 PM
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157. We have an idiot tradition in our party of electing leaders,
not representatives. We need to start electing the latter, lest we elect more people who equate executive office holding with elected dictatorship.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:42 PM
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159. So what are we up to now? Barbra Lee? One?
That's pretty sad...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:44 PM
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161. Yep. One very gentle rebuke from Barbara Lee.
Party of the people my ass.
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ArcticFox Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:43 PM
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160. My message to government representatives
Police shot Scott Olsen in the head and threw a flash-bang grenade into the group of people who came to his aid. He was doing nothing more than exercising the Constitutional rights of free speech and free assembly, rights he had served two tours in Iraq supposedly defending. News reports are that he is now brain damaged with a fractured skull.


Cannot anyone in power condemn the senseless, unprovoked shooting of this young man, the utter inhumanity displayed by throwing an explosive device into a crowd of people trying to give first aid?



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:49 PM
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162. kick
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 06:13 PM
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163. The silence is deafening.
:(

I fear for my country.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 06:13 PM
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164. k&r n/t
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catrose Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 06:43 PM
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165. Dennis Kucinich!
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 06:45 PM
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166. Beat me to it! :)
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 06:56 PM
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168. Of course it would be Dennis Kucinich
who stepped forward and spoke up in favor of the people and the OWS movement. The silent majority of our elected officials are still waiting for opinion polls to tell them what to think and how to act. Damn their spinelessness. Some leadership.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 07:48 PM
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180. Yes, of course. Go Dennis!!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 12:04 AM
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191. If DK had been elected Prez, OWS would not have been necessary. nt
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catrose Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 01:02 AM
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194. so true
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 09:59 AM
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229. A quick look at Congress would tell you that isn't even close to an optimistic appraisal
Looking at our governors and state legislators. See our mayors and city councils.

Kooch would help a little but he'd just have a party wide mutiny and little support for his policies and appointments.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:34 AM
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278. You're probably right. Our government is infested with Wall St. employees.
That's pretty obvious at this point.

And Wall St., by using its enormous wealth, makes totally sure that no progressive legislator like Rep. Kucinich can ever be elected President.
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louslobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 06:55 PM
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167. Kicked again!
Lou
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Marnie Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 06:59 PM
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169. Great idea.
But I don't call them the spineless Dims for a joke, so my expectations are about zero.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 07:09 PM
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170. They'd be shouting to the high heavens if this had happened at an astroturf Teabagger rally.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 07:27 PM
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172. They don't even have the balls to issue it for a Friday night news dump
where it most certainly would die. Nope, can't even do it during the lowest news cycle, even that is too brave.

Either they don't care about the 99% or they are in such a bubble they haven't even heard about Scott Olsen and Oakland. Both are bad.

Thanks for the thread Manny.



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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 07:28 PM
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173. Oh, I'm kicking this, all right...
I may have to visit with Occupy Dallas tomorrow and see how they're faring, BTW.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 07:29 PM
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174. K&R
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 07:30 PM
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175. OK, I finally got one - Dennis Kucinich
Just got this email from him:

Occupy

Dear Friends,

An Iraq War veteran who survived two tours of duty gets his skull fractured in ... Oakland!
53 activists arrested in Atlanta. SWAT teams deployed to boot out peaceful protesters.

Recent actions against Occupy protesters are irresponsible and tragic. They're an assault on our democracy. These protesters are bravely exercising their right to freedom of expression, to bring attention to a political and economic system that's rigged against most Americans. I stand with them; and, all Americans -- left and right -- should join me in protecting their freedom to non-violently create change.

This isn't a Democratic or Republican movement. It's not about one party or one policy. It's about standing up to a financial system that's completely backwards. Wall Street banks get billions in bailouts and emerge with massive profits. Most Americans see a program of austerity in a painful economic climate -- benefit cuts, high unemployment, declining wages, and crumbling infrastructure. Congress moved swiftly to "save" banks (something I strongly opposed), and now Congress is paralyzed, unable to create jobs and to save our middle class.

It's no surprise Americans are standing up. Our country's economic policies have consolidated and accelerated wealth to the top. One percent of Americans now control 42% of our wealth. It's not radical to think this is out of balance or to demand a government that is of the people and for the people. I've been to these protests, and I can tell you they're filled with honest, hard working Americans who are concerned with the direction of our country and our economic future.

I am deeply concerned. I'm concerned about an economic system which tethers job creation to China and big banks. We shouldn't have to borrow money from China -- or Japan or South Korea -- to get out of this ditch. We should stop the Fed from giving billions to the big banks. We have to take back the power to manage our own economy, to regain control over our monetary system, consistent with the U.S. Constitution. That's why, one month ago, I introduced the National Emergency Employment Defense (NEED) Act. The legislation would put the Federal Reserve under the Department of the Treasury, and it would help us recapture control of our financial system. As part of the NEED Act, Congress would use its constitutional power to invest in America, creating millions of jobs by putting billions of dollars directly into circulation. And since this money is adding real, tangible value to our national wealth, it will not generate inflation.

We need a financial system that is of the people and for the people. We need to take it back from the big banks. We need economic and social justice. I will continue to support the Occupy movement. I will continue to fight for legislation, including the NEED Act, that sets America on a path of jobs for all, health care for all, education for all, retirement security for all, and peace.

Let's keep this movement alive. Let's keep fighting for economic and social justice. Keep occupying Wall Street. And, with your help, I'll keep occupying Congress.

With respect,

Dennis
Dennis Kucinich

P.S. Please forward this email to your friends and family, and share it on Facebook and Twitter. Let's spread this movement, and continue to support the Occupy protests.

MODS: This is printed in it's entirety because the author says above to send to friends and family.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 07:39 PM
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176. This is not a surprise. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 07:41 PM
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178. Ouch --- !!! Maybe the news hasn't reached them yet.... ???? Maybe they just don't care -- ???
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 08:02 PM by defendandprotect
Just want to also mention this, Manny --

The Dem Party is now under control of the Third Way -- and as far as I know

Obama is Third Way.

Otoh, THIS has to be true for all voters and all Dem members of Congress and

all elected Democrats across the nation ...

IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT YOUR PARTY IS DOING OR YOUR FELLOW DEMOCRATS ARE

DOING, OR THE DIRECTION OF THE PARTY, I THINK YOU HAVE TO STAND UP AND SAY SO

AND IF THINGS DON'T CHANGE, I THINK YOU HAVE TO LEAVE.



And we should all remember -- SILENCE IS ALSO AN ANSWER -- !!


Thanks, Manny!

:hi:


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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 07:46 PM
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179. Shameful.
Beneath contempt, really.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 07:59 PM
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182. DK rocks. Recommended. nt
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 08:24 PM
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183. So none of the so called Dems out in Calfornia have said anything?
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 08:33 PM
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185. Nothing of which I'm aware. I love Dennis. Elected dems hate him, Repubs hate him even more!
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 07:25 AM
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199. I disagree to an extent..
I think the elected Dems hate Kookinich far more than the Republicans ever could.



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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 08:28 PM
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184. ++++
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 08:41 PM
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186. kick....n/t
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 08:42 PM
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187. There can be no better illustration of the fact that electoral politics means NOTHING in itself.
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 09:20 PM by scarletwoman
It's a Ruling Class game, a rigged game, and it will get you nothing but more of the same.

The only path to real change is in the streets, it ain't in the voting booth.

"If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal." Emma Goldman.

sw
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:34 PM
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189. and yet the streets ultimately end up determining who is on the ticket.
That's our problem: we are letting these rubber stamp local committees choose our candidates for us. And every candidate is the same.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 12:21 AM
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192. OWS is NOT about electoral politics.
Your response makes no sense.
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 02:29 AM
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195. Then it's incoherent babble.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 12:44 AM
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193. i have some of the "truly supportive" on thread watch
but i have seen neither hide nor hair from them in days
is this even more than the most dedicated apologist can stomach?
or are they just letting the dust settle before they begin to spin again?
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 06:06 AM
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196. This is the first DU thread I've ever actually bookmarked so I could keep kicking it..
:kick:
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 06:21 AM
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197. Kick
:wtf:
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babydollhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 09:04 AM
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200. kick
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 09:36 AM
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202. Kick..
:kick:
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 10:33 AM
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203. Kick..........
I'm curious about this myself. Any DLCers want to comment?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 10:38 AM
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204. kick
:kick:
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 12:45 PM
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207. Checking back. Is there a LIST yet?
KICK
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 01:23 PM
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210. Looks like 3 so far
Barbara Lee
Dennis Kucinich
Possibly Bernie Sanders




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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 01:37 PM
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211. So 2 lower tier Democrats and Bernie Sanders
nothing at all from the leadership. Figures.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 09:38 AM
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228. Leadership is all DLC, triangulating, sold-out you know whats.
Paul Wellstone warned us about the republican-light figures infiltrating the party. Sadly most democratic voters aren't intelligent enough to tell the difference or they're too greedy to care.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 12:54 PM
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209. I know some unelected Democrats in Alaska who are supportive,
specifically Diane Benson, who has run for US House twice, and Scott McAdams, who ran for the Senate last year. I've also seen a couple of local assembly people at the protests.

As for the elected ones, though -- nada.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 03:31 PM
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212. Kicked for the 3:31pm CST crowd. n/t
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 04:19 PM
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213. Still no one?
That's pathetic.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 05:30 PM
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214. Kick..
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 07:13 PM
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215. Kick
any brave Democrats yet?
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 07:18 PM
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216. Excellent thread Manny
Takes the mask off of half of the DUers who are mysteriously missing.

Because they cannot honestly defend this undefensible situation.

Godz Speed Scott and OWS!

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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 08:53 PM
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217. Kick...
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 08:55 PM
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218. Kick !!!
:kick:
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 08:58 PM
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219. Kicking for Olsen. nt
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 09:45 PM
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221. Kick for the multitude of brave Democrats who have the back of the 99%
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 09:56 PM
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222. K&R n/t
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 05:02 AM
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224. Kick
:kick:
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 05:10 AM
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225. More "Fierce Advocacy"(TM) for the bottom 99%:
the whole lot of phony "Democrats" in DC.

WE. DON'T. NEED. YOU.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 09:30 AM
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226. Kick..
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 02:25 PM
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230. ...
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 05:57 PM
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231. How bout now?
How many days has it been? Guess it's too late now
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 05:35 PM
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233. Kick..
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 06:07 PM
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234. Back to the top.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 10:04 PM
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235. Kick..
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 06:16 AM
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236. Kick..
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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 11:19 PM
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237. +1
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:36 AM
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238. Kick!
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 02:04 AM
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239. +1
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 02:23 PM
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240. They're not even COVERING this incident (or the Oakland strike) here in the Mid-Atlantic.
Funny how the BBC hasn't mentioned it, but are covering Julien Assange's rape trial.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 08:10 PM
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241. Nothing to report yet! nt
PB
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 08:18 PM
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242. The Mayor of Oakland has said she supports OWS and will
minimize the police presence from now on. She seemed to be keeping her word as there was very little police presence at today's huge Demonstrations and One Day Strike, which shut down several banks and many local businesses.

Those protests and the strike today were to condemn the Police Violence that put Scott Olsen in the hospital.

Not sure if she counts although she claims she always supported them.
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louslobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 08:19 PM
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243. Kicked again.........n/t
Lou
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 08:25 PM
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244. And the more time that passes, the more shameful it is!
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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:43 PM
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250. +1
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 03:21 AM
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245. Kick for the multitude of brave Democrats who have the back of the 99%
Oh, wait..

:shrug:
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 05:05 AM
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246. Kick for the swift and certain conviction(s) of our brave politicians n/t
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 05:23 AM
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247. Kick. How did I friggin' miss this one. n/t
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 01:46 PM
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249. Kick..
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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 03:18 PM
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251. Still waiting and listening. nt
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 04:11 PM
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252. k&r
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-11 09:40 AM
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253. Kick.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-11 09:54 AM
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254. To which list should now be added the list of elected Democrats
denouncing the Kayvan Sabeghi beat-down by Oaklnad LE's 'finest'.

I've been hammering my rep (Karen Bass in CA's 33rd) to launch a Congressional investigation. Nothing back so far other than mealy-mouthed platitudes. Color me frustrated and growing increasingly pissed.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-11 09:55 AM
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255. Kick.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-11 09:58 AM
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256. A week later, and still only DK? nt
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-11 09:59 AM
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257. Um, also Barbara Lee and Bernie Sanders (not that that's
anything to get overly excited about, mind you)
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-11 06:53 PM
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265. Barbara Lee...yes.
And of course, Sanders is no surprise, but then, he's not a Democrat.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:06 AM
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275. Sanders is a democrat (note the lower-case 'd'), as in
'Democratic Socialist.'
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:36 AM
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279. Of course.
The OP is asking about Democrats, though.

This highlights a real, and gravely serious, problem with the Democrats the party is electing.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:59 AM
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284. OH, to be sure. I just didnt' want people thinking Bernie was a
Edited on Sun Nov-06-11 10:59 AM by coalition_unwilling
'democrat' :)

I've been hammering at my Rep, Karen Bass in California's 33rd, about this since Olsen and now Sabehji. I'll be calling starting on Monday, since my emails have only produced mealy-mouthed political platitudes so far.

Bass is running the risk of losing my vote over her continued silence. And she's one of the good Dems, trust me.
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-11 10:52 AM
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258. kicking n/t
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-11 12:09 PM
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259. Kick. nt
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-11 12:20 PM
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260. Kick
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-11 12:25 PM
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261. Barbara Lee, Congresswoman representing Oakland
Edited on Sat Nov-05-11 12:26 PM by lunatica
Nothing like letting your ass hang out in cold for everyone to see.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-11 04:47 PM
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263. still nothing from Bill Nelson, FL-13
I guess he's waiting to see which side wins.
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louslobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-11 06:54 PM
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266. Kicked again! Who is keeping the list of names? n/t
Lou
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 01:32 AM
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268. Kick!
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 01:59 AM
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269. Kick!
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 08:26 AM
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271. Wow! The Democratic 'leadership' is made up of some of the most
Edited on Sun Nov-06-11 08:26 AM by blackspade
cynical bastards ever.

Pathetic.
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 09:39 AM
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272. kicking. n/t
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louslobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 09:42 AM
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273. Kicking again. I know someone has the list, if you would, please send me a copy, Thanks. n/t
Lou
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:03 AM
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274. Kick..
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:14 AM
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276. I'm A Bit Perplexed... Kicking This, BUT About The Space Being Blank
Are you saying there are NONE???
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:40 AM
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280. At the time the OP was posted there were none..
Now there are three of which I'm aware: Barbara Lee (D), Dennis Kucinich (D), Bernie Sanders (I).
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:43 AM
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281. Wow - I clicked this post thinking I was going to hear at least 1 Dem speaking up
about Mr. Olsen and the other veteran - in fact speak up about ALL of the brutality against OWS protesters.

I'm ashamed and deeply disappointed(again).

:wtf: bunch of fucking cowards!
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:43 AM
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282. interesting and unsuprising
seeing who is not replying here
usually they have something to say about everything but not so much on this subject
that loud sucking sound?thats your credibility going down the crapper "true believers"
i am glad that we are all waking up to the "third way" sellout our party has made
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:54 AM
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283. HEY! I'm still ready to kick something...
... but I STILL can't find any balls!

:wtf:
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 11:02 AM
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285. Checking back. K for Dennis
Nothing at all from the big man huh? So much for leadership.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 11:11 AM
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286. I'm too late to Rec this, but
not too late to :kick:

So, we have Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Lee, and Bernie Sanders. They are the only ones? That speaks volumes.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 01:19 PM
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287. Kick..
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 07:30 AM
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289. Kick..
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 07:36 AM
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290. Kick
Now we know where the Dem Pols stand.

They're afraid to lose their Corporate Sugar Daddys' allowance.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 08:14 AM
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291. Al Gore spoke out in support of OWS
Edited on Tue Nov-08-11 08:19 AM by Autumn
I wish he would speak out for Olson.
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:08 AM
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292. Unrecced.
This isn't what we need right now.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 11:07 AM
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293. Thanks for the kick!
:hi:
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 11:44 AM
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294. Tell it to the mealymouths, windsocks, and turncoats we elected.
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 11:47 AM
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295. Kicked
thanks for the reminder
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 11:55 AM
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296. Emphatic kick! This is EXACTLY what we need right now - n/t
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 04:50 PM
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297. Unrecced.
This isn't what we need right now.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 07:20 AM
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298. Thanks for the kick..
:yourock:
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 12:31 PM
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299. Kick..
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 01:57 AM
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300. kick
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 09:54 AM
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301. kick
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 06:24 PM
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302. Kick..
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 04:04 AM
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303. Kick..
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 04:50 AM
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304. kr
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 02:09 PM
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305. KICK KICK KICK
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 07:34 PM
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306. Kick..
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 04:08 PM
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307. Kick..
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 04:16 PM
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308. kicked
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 04:18 PM
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309. Kick
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 02:21 PM
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310. Kick..
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