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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:23 PM
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Excerpt from Oakland PD policy
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:26 PM
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1. K&R n/t
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:27 PM
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2. And yet they used them anyway. nt
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:45 PM
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3. So some supervisor will be docked ten days of vacation, just like with Anthony Bologna n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:48 PM
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5. This is far more serious
Them are in shit list with DOJ already and in the baby seat category.
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:03 PM
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11. Well, I certainly hope you are right ...
... and that this is dealt with accordingly. But I'm afraid I'm a bit cynical about the likelihood of police being held accountable.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:11 PM
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12. I am cynical as well
But reaction from the city is telling. Legal advisor will probably quit.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:56 PM
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9. Bologna was transferred to Staten Island today.
http://www.dnainfo.com/20111026/greenwich-village-soho/...

Sure, he should have been kicked off the force, but this is a definite demotion.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:47 PM
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4. As I said yesterday a few violations
I knew that already but any lawyer wanting to sue...black white and all that.
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appleannie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:50 PM
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6. Are they responsible for Scott's medical bills? If not, they should be.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:16 PM
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15. They will likey have to pay hundreds of thousands if not millions to him
I can guarantee that some of the top lawyers in California will be fighting to find a spot on Olsen's legal team, there is almost certain to be a huge lawsuit in his case. They are not responsible for his medical bills yet, but they will be.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:52 PM
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7. Thanks for finding and posting this. Looks pretty clear they violated their own policy...
... although I'm sure some slick lawyer will argue some nuance regarding the devices used.
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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:57 PM
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10. But you know what they'll say
The weapons weren't used for crowd control. They were used after the protesters became violent... now where's that darned video that backs up their story?
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:12 PM
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13. Maybe Brietbart is making it now. n/t
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:54 PM
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8. K & R !!! - Thank You !!!
:hi:

:kick:
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:16 PM
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14. Uh-oh!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:18 PM
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16. They may as well roll over right now and cough up a HUGE settlement, because they
will surely lose any lawsuit Olsen files.
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ArcticFox Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:39 PM
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17. That's not the real violation
Look at sections:

V.F.2-11 (direct-fire non-lethal rounds; "shall" provide first aid and transport to hospital to anyone hit by such a round);
VI.M. (tear gas only as a last resort); and
VI.N. (flash-bang grenades "shall" be deployed a safe distance from the crowd).

Just seeing that one video of Scott Olsen, I can name multiple violations of this policy.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:34 AM
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18. I have pointed out to all those
It was a fun read.

Realize these are pretty vanilla flavor and FYI the department should have had EMS standing by. In the riot I was at, EMS command, none would have blinked if cops used lethal force. Conditions for that were met. They never used any of those things, and yes we did take a few people to the hospital.

It is through the looking glass in so many ways.
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ArcticFox Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:01 AM
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19. What do you think that federal judge will do with this?
It violates that consent decree, no? Is the city still under the court's jurisdiction?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:04 AM
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20. Yup, I think if any of this comes before him
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 01:04 AM by nadinbrzezinski
He will be all but a happy camper.

It makes sense why legal aide to the mayor is considering resigning. I think a few in city government are under legal jeopardy. No I am not a lawyer, but that's my read on the rush for cover and quick reversals in policy.
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