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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:22 PM
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Wow, so if you got a natural occurring abortion
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 04:23 PM by nadinbrzezinski
You committed murder?

On personhood laws. You think this is a stretch?

On tweety right now and Chris you got it right, end run to end abortion.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:24 PM
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1. I wonder: how many natural abortions are there?
I seem to remember that 1 in 3 conceptions results in a natural abortion; women's bodies may abort a fetus without them even knowing they were pregnant.

Any idea on the actual numbers?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:25 PM
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4. I believe you are correct
This is also global movement.

Oh and that stretch...two women in Baja Norte were indicted of murder...by the way roll back your birthday by nine months by this logic.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:18 PM
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27. i guess "birthday" would be the wrong term for it
"conceptionday"?
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:59 PM
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28. Ask Kathie Lee Gifford about that ...
she wrote extensively about her "spontaneous abortion" in her book ... she probably could tell you the stats ...
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:24 PM
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2. I had two miscarriages in my life.
I guess I should be in jail.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:25 PM
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5. Ditto
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:26 PM
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7. You two are correct
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:25 PM
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3. They won't be happy until every woman who takes the pill is given the Death Penalty.
I'm not being facetious. The goal is to outlaw fucking for non-procreative purposes, essentially.

Still, we have authoritarian, pro-censorship types on the alleged "left" who think it's cool to "work with" these imbeciles and crazies, "ally" with them on certain issues, repeat their material and talking points, etc.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:02 PM
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29. well, they're taking their abortion stance with the "religion" aspect ...
and that's a main reason why Catholics vote for Republicans, right? (Ignoring the fact that Repugs are pro-Death Penalty, and the Catholic Church generally is against that, but hey ...)

Next ... contraception is outlawed ... on order from The Vatican ...
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:26 PM
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6. How about IVF and all the "extras"?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:33 PM
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16. As a justice in mexico put it
Gone, as well as research and IVF. They missed rolling this back by one vote.

This is a global pushback and personhood is the small government RW all over. :sarcasm:
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:26 PM
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8. Yeah, I can see uteruses marked as crime scenes until the authorities clear
it as a natural miscarriage. Investigations into everything a woman has done that might have caused that miscarriage. Forcing women to take pregnancy tests, then keeping them under 24 hour surveillance until they either give birth, die, or have a spontaneous miscarriage.

What is this, Soviet Russia or Communist China? Because it sure as fuck ain't America.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:26 PM
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9. Not just abortion
They are after birth control, too. They LOVE to legislate morality. It's so much easier than to actually SOLVE problems.
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:27 PM
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10. Also using birth control would be
outlawed

They can't get in the front door but will do major damage through the back door, they will NEVER give up until every goddam egg is fertilized and born

Maybe we can go for 10 billion - 50 billion, why not? once the Pope said
we "need more people at the banquet table"
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:29 PM
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12. Next they will be regulating feminine hygeine products
and shunning women who haven't managed to get pregnant quick enough to suit them.
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a simple pattern Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:33 PM
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15. I picture him with baby blood all dripping down his maw as he said that
Don't know why
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:28 PM
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11. If all embryos are full persons, then all missing fetuses or dead fetuses
will have to be investigated exactly like missing/dead persons are now.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:31 PM
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14. Not to mention no more morning after pills for rape victims, either
This is HORRIBLE legislation. It's going to threaten the lives of women who can't safely bear children.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:29 PM
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13. In some state they're tying to make illegal for hospitals to treat women who
come in bleeding and are pregnant. Making it a crime before any facts are assessed. I'm sorry I can't remember what State it was.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:34 PM
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18. Missisipi.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:45 PM
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22. Thanks!
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:34 PM
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17. In some places the nutjob fundies
are trying to put laws on the books that make it the duty of the person who has experienced a miscarriage to prove that it was a naturally occurring event and not a nefarious abortion plot.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:38 PM
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19. republicans only want to occupy women's wombs
if this law passes, women need to stage MASSIVE sit ins to shut down the offices of any politician who votes for this. I'm never going to have another kid, but I support the right of my sisters in this nation to make their own reproductive choices without having some religious right pedo-freak overseeing medical decisions.

any woman that supports this sort of law is an ENEMY of EVERY WOMAN.
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:48 PM
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23. Women should go on strike against any man who believes this.
No sex for him!
How about it, sisters?
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:05 PM
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26. why would any woman have sex with such a man in the first place?
honestly, any man who believes the tripe from the anti-choice movement doesn't sound like someone who would be very interesting in a lot of ways.
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:40 PM
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20. Sure wish they cared about actual, living children
as much as potential ones. This is disgusting.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:50 PM
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24. And this is not limited to the us either
The RW is going for this at global level.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:42 PM
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21.  You think this is a stretch? No. that has been the issue. nt
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:55 PM
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25. Who's gonna pay for the Kotex Police??
Inspecting bloody pads.......yucko. Probably not a desirable job.]

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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:03 PM
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30. The end game = American Taliban. Total control of women.
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