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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:06 AM
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Oakland Mayor claims she was unaware of PD's plans.
Oakland -- Oakland Mayor Jean Quan, who is being criticized from all sides for a police sweep of the Occupy Oakland encampment, said Wednesday that she was not involved in the planning and did not even know when the action was going to take place.

The decision to raid the camp outside City Hall was made by City Administrator Deanna Santana on Oct. 19 with consultation from interim Police Chief Howard Jordan after campers repeatedly blocked paramedics and police from entering the camp despite reports of violence and injuries.

News conference

Quan told a news conference at City Hall on Wednesday that her input on the raid was limited.

"I only asked the chief to do one thing: to do it when it was the safest for both the police and the demonstrators," she said.



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/1...
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:10 AM
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1. Mayor Quan wasn't in Oakland Tuesday, she was in D.C.
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 03:12 AM by Tx4obama

In the middle of night last night the news broke that she was leaving DC and would be back in Oakland on Wednesday.

Sounds like City Administrator Deanna Santana and interim Police Chief Howard Jordan both need to turn in their resignations ASAP!





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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:25 AM
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4. Not so fast with the forgiveness buddy...
she just complimented the police for their handling of the protests in Oakland while she was gone.

her police chief when asked about the injured protestor (who was named and was all over the news) said, mockingly, "who?!"

she was a good progressive when she ran for mayor, but that doesn't mean she isn't happily presiding over something pretty ugly now.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:37 PM
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45. There is NOTHING in my comment about forgiveness. n/t


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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:25 AM
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13. Good - then firing the police chief and the officer who attempted murder should be a foregone
conclusion then.

If she doesn't immediately fire those involved she's fucking complicit.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:47 AM
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36. Exactly. n/t
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:14 AM
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39. She was called
She complained that she was sleepy because she took a redeye to DC.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:16 AM
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2. Oh, ok. That's fine, she can fire the police chief then. Problem solved.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:22 AM
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3. Quan is a
lying sack of shit to use an upscale term.




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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:30 AM
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5. If Quan wishes to retain any credibility whatsoever, she must do
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 03:31 AM by coalition_unwilling
one of two things:

1) Fire Deanna Santana and Howard Jordan immediately

or

2) Take full responsibility for the disaster, apologize and resign.

Right now, the Occupy Oakland General Assembly has more legitimacy as a representative of the people than Quan does, imho.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:40 AM
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6. If she is sincere, she'll hold the police chief accountable for going overboard.
There was absolutely no reason to display such a high level of brutality. If she wants to be cowardly about it, she'll do nothing.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:42 AM
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7. Accountability..
It's for the 99%..
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:53 AM
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8. Yet she admits that it was her call:
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 03:57 AM by chollybocker
"...(I asked the chief) to do it when it was the safest for both the police and the demonstrators..."

It's her boondoggle now.

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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:42 AM
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9. She didn't know? Really? REALLY? OK, so let's see....
Can their asses. Today! Yeah, fat chance of that happening.

So, walk the walk, Ms. Mayor, or STFU.
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malthaussen Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:47 AM
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10. Ya know, Ms Mayor
... when Harry Truman said "the buck stops here," he wasn't talking about dollars.

-- Mal
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:13 AM
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11. That doesn't come close to washing your hands Mayor Quan
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:21 AM
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12. Who will Oakland run against her next spring?
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:29 AM
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14. Ah, the circular firing squad is forming
Anyone care to bet how long it'll be before Santana and Jordan start "She made us to do it!"?
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:16 AM
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15. too bad . . . ask Harry Truman where the buck stops . . . n/t
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:18 AM
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16. She didn't know? BULLSHIT!
I believe that about as far as I can piss against the wind.

Bake
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:22 AM
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17. Did that look "safe" to you, Mayor Quan?
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 07:30 AM by Aerows
That looked ANYTHING but safe to me. Excuses don't cut it, lady. It happened on your watch, and it's still your fault. Passing the buck onto some city administrator is a lame attempt to shield yourself from blame.

EDIT: Oh, now her response is "I don't know everything." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/1...

Well, if you don't know that this whole event was unacceptable, you certainly don't know enough to be Mayor. Or enough to run a bake sale.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:32 AM
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18. She ought to fire somebody or resign herself.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:36 AM
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19. Way to pass the buck, Quan.
Something stinks. Maybe it would be best if all the buck passers resigned in shame.
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mulsh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:38 AM
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20. a week or so ago Quan was supportive of Occupy Oakland
then this. As a life long Oakland resident I've got to say it looks like she and her cronies were bought off pretty quickly and probably cheaply.

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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:39 AM
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21. It happened on her watch
and she posted an asinine comment praising Deanna Santana and Police Chief Jordan on Facebook

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

https://www.facebook.com/MayorJeanQuan
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:51 AM
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22. Obama should remove her from office...nt
Sid
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:53 AM
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24. .
:thumbsdown:

:eyes:
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:28 AM
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29. Are you really this stupid? (n/t)
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:36 AM
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33. I didn't think the sarcasm tag was needed...
guess I was wrong.

Sid
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:10 AM
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38. Actually, it was
Because someone would inevitably say it seriously.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 12:31 PM
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42. You're right...
You'd think I would know that by now. :hi:

Sid
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 01:08 PM
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44. yes
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:51 AM
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23. Fire the chief, Jean.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:50 AM
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25. it's amazing when a mayor tries to pass off being innocent
if she was "unaware" then she should be fired or resign.

but we all know she's full of shit.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:56 AM
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26. the replace the chief
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:07 AM
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27. Howard Jordan is the interim chief...
...Chief Anthony Batts had just resigned a couple of weeks ago in an ugly dispute with Quan. The local news media was all over it.

Batts basically said that Quan wouldn't let him do his job.

She sounds like she is someone who would be way in the loop on a decision like this.

I'm calling BS on her buck shifting.

Don Perata, a well known Bay Area pol was considered the likely winner for the mayor's office when Quan came out of nowhere and narrowly beat him last November. I suspect with Quan's track record to date, many are wishing that they had voted for the more seasoned Perata.

I hear that there is a vigorous recall effort starting...


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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:23 AM
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28. Let tjhe buck-passing and CYAing
begin. Seems this didn't go over so well. A pox on all their houses.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:28 AM
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30. "I didn't know" doesn't make you look better, it makes you look worse. n/t
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 12:48 PM
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43. I know!
I'm so tired of the "I have no recollection of that" and "I didn't know" defense. It means either one of two things: You are hopelessly incompetent or you are lying through your teeth. We've heard entirely too much of that from politicians of late.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:54 PM
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48. +1
I don't know who is coaching Quan here, but they're doing a poor job. :(
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:29 AM
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31. She was ultimately responsible for what goes on in her city..
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 10:30 AM by AsahinaKimi
She needs to:
1. Apologize.
2. Fire the Police Chief.
3. Fire City Administrator Deanna Santana.
4. Have the city pay for the hospital bill for the veteran.
5. Resign.




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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:09 AM
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37. She just fired one chief.
As much as people may complain about Batts, his police were much more retrained during the Oscar Grant protests, which did result in looting, than the other night. you think she's going to admit this appointment was a failure?
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:39 AM
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40. is there a link to that?
Also..more than one police chiefs? That sounds odd.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:30 AM
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32. You can't have it both ways, Jean. Cowgirl up here and take responsibility.
If the chief is rogue, you fire his ass.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:42 AM
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34. if she 'didnt know' then
was she a psychic when she said "I only asked the chief to do one thing: to do it when it was the safest for both the police and the demonstrators,"
that is a statement of what she said before it happened
you know.... at the time she didnt know about it
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:46 AM
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41. Damn. Finally. I read the whole thread to see if anybody caught the obvious
fallacy before I posted. A couple of folks obviously got it but you stated the problem outright.
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:03 PM
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49. See my #8.
:)
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:46 AM
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35. You know how lame that sounds?
Like Rick Perry or Herman Cain saying "I was only joking".

If she was really not part of it then fire the police chief or at least put him on leave pending an investigation. But there will be no investigation because she was likely in on it all the way.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:47 PM
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46. "blocked paramedics and police from entering the camp" i thought it was cause of trash and pee
seems the story continually changes.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:48 PM
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47. Was she also unaware of the 5-10 other agencies that were called in to Oakland?
Was she in a coma?
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