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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:36 PM
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Attention peeps there is coordination here
RT @drgoddess: RT @rattlecans: Tear gass in #occupyoakland, mass arrests in #occupychicago apparently and now #occupyatlanta being evicted. Co-ordinated?
4 minutes ago
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:36 PM
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1. Of course.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:38 PM
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2. Yeah but at times obvious needs stating
Let me check me local occupy.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:38 PM
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3. once they see that one city can do it
the others do the same. Berkeley got their eviction notice today too. Don't think Zuccotti Park isn't coming soon.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:38 PM
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4. Baltimore and San Diego are also said to be in trouble. I believe Long Beach were dispersed yest.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:40 PM
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6. Elites know that if they don't stop this now, it will continue to grow -- immensely -- !!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:45 PM
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10. Actually that was not tear gas, it was gasoline
We need to make photos go viral. A "helpless woman in wheelchair" in the middle of that fog s tat gas.

For the record I hope she gets properly deconned.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:23 PM
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31. Think you've responded to the wrong poster -- !!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:24 PM
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32. I was emphasizing your point
:hi:

They only think it's tear gas.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:37 PM
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45. Oops! Think I got it -- !!!
You're saying hitting the protesters is only inflaming the situation?

Sorry -- I have a cold and very, very slow right now!!


but good to say :hi: -- !!


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:43 PM
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8. San Diego doing fine so far
Tonight.

Monitoring that one.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:39 PM
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5. Elites and their enforcers want to rip up the 1st Amendment -- !!! Right to Free Assembly!!!
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:42 PM
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7. KCAL Los Angeles just reported that police "had to use tear gas". HAD TO.
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 10:57 PM by Fire Walk With Me
sound of teeth gnashing...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:46 PM
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11. Of course they had to
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 10:46 PM by nadinbrzezinski
Them hippies somehow used rubber coated bullets, per NPR...

The obvious questions are not reported by Nile tv, that be all our media.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:46 PM
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12. #OccupyAtlanta on Facebook report police trouble:
Lots of police surrounding Occupy Atlanta tonight -- they've brought in more barricades, mobile lighting towers, PA system. Occupiers are peaceful and watchful...
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:44 PM
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9. It's only a matter of time. Someone is going to do something stupid.
I pray it's not someone who is out protesting.
And I pray it's not a battle dressed, video game model police officer with a little more than pepper spray in their belts.

I pray.


:scared: :grouphug: :scared:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:47 PM
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13. Oh somebody will get killed
I agree with you
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:05 PM
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21. .......
Your statement is right out of this scene from V ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuRUlqveNYg

Peace.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:10 PM
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22. Except this is not a movie
Don't get me wrong, I like that movie, but welcome to real life.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:39 PM
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49. Well, count on the fact that they will try to make it look like protesters doing
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 11:40 PM by defendandprotect
something wrong!

But, keep your fingers crossed that the oppressors will show their hands in

the usual corrupt and clumsy ways!!



:hi:

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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:48 PM
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14. Someone Should Ask The President - Not If He Supports The Occupy Movement But......
they should ask him if he supports the police going in and busting it up. I think that would really put him on the spot. The more that the police use these tactics to evict the movement from wherever they are - the more attention it brings to the movement and the more people become sympathetic to it. This can only make the Occupy movement stronger. We need to keep it non-violent. Let the violence come from the other side.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:59 PM
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19. He can't order cities to do what he wants, but he COULD say something, anything.
Yeah, right.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:18 PM
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28. Excellent idea. nt
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:49 PM
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15. Kent State. Rinse and repeat.
They cannot and will not defeat WE THE PEOPLE. We outnumber them.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:50 PM
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16. So far this is more accurate
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:13 PM
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24. Give m time, Nadin. If pepper spray, tear gas, pepper bullets, and dogs
don't work, they won't hesitate to bring in the big guns....after a media blackout, of course, so the world doesn't see the "REAL" America. Thank G-d for the internet(s)!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:17 PM
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25. I hope we don't get there
:hi:

I have been accused of that by my fans, but I hope we don't get there.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:52 PM
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17. Berkeley is in trouble too
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:53 PM
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18. If so by whom? Notionally it would be at the Federal level. Is the Obama administration behind it?
If not them, then whom? Coordination takes time and would tend to leak out from *somewhere*.

Those who just say "its obvious" or "the elites" are being disingenuous and not answering the question. Ocaams Razor needs to be addressed here.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:03 PM
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20. Governor to Govrrnor
For many reasons the Feds will keep distance and in spite of pretu obvious civil rights violations I don't expect justice to get involved.

And if you think governors can't coordinate...
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:17 PM
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26. What is the impetus to coordinate?
And if they are, it will be leaked...OPSEC for such an operation is beyond most pols
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:19 PM
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30. Pressure from those who pay their real salaries
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 11:20 PM by nadinbrzezinski
Only the tech has changed from 1888. But Carnegie owned city hall as much as economic elites own them today.

As I like to quip, in Mexico the corruption is at the street level, here it's at higher levels, but corruption nonetheless.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:28 PM
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34. I am still having a hard time seeing a coordinated conspiracy here
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 11:28 PM by ProgressiveProfessor
Admittedly, the large number of evictions etc in the last 24 hours does raise the hair on the back of my neck too, but I do not see how this would be better for anyone than piecemeal ones done over several days. This "approach" fuels conspiracy theories, which is the last thing a hidden coordinator would want.

Still looking for a coordinating group with a reason for a coordinated strike.

Still think that anything this big would have major OPSEC issues...

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:29 PM
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37. Well there is this about ducks and quacking.
As to opsec, we'll get them mandatory leaks.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:34 PM
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42. Like I said...can't see any upside to coordination in the explusions
But agree the overall number is suspicious...

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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:37 PM
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44. An upside could be in keeping the protests very Wall Street, white, and middle class
...upside for the M$M and politicians that is
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:38 PM
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47. I can't see any advantage in pouring gas
But one thing that is true is that elites react like this every time. And I am using this in the strict political science definition of economic and political elites.

It is like clockwork. When they get a violent response in return it's easier to build that us v them. So far they are not. This is truly stoopid. You want this to go away...you ignore it, fully.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:50 PM
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55. Last week the same thing happened. Coordinated attacks
on several cities at the same time. Since the NYPD and other police departments now work with Homeland Security and the CIA and the FBI, supposedly because of the great WOT, why would anyone doubt that this is coordinated at the Federal level? Why would that surprise anyone?

This is a national and global movement. What bigger threat is there to the Global Corporate Powers than a united, global movement of the people who are awakening from their slumber and no longer distracted by party politics or wars or the murder of African leaders or American citizens by their own government. All the old distractions have failed to stop this movement from spreading across the globe. Because the people have finally detected the root cause of almost all of the problems that are destroying countries and people all over the world?



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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:31 PM
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40. And remember Kent State -- though that was Nixon pushing for it, as well ... !!!
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:10 PM
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23. Ocaams Razor? OK
It would be very easy for the fed to coordinate this in hours. They have spents billions connecting to a national response center.

I would post links but I'm on my phone.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:17 PM
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27. And them governors have phone, and email
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:18 PM
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29. So you think the Obama administration is behind this?
Yes they have the tools, but what is their motivation?
Is their OPSEC really that good?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:26 PM
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33. What motivation? OWS is announcing end of capitalism, two parties ... !!! It's over--!!!
Now -- that certainly doesn't mean that Obama is calling any shots on this --

but certainly it is something that is going to be worrisome for elites -- !!

And police serve the elites --

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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:31 PM
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39. That does not explain a multi-state coordinated strike
- Who coordinated it?
- Why coordinated and not piecemeal?
- If it was coordinated, they will be some leaks...if not now, in the near future.

I agree it looks suspicious...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:35 PM
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43. Do you recall Kent State?
Certainly elites are "coordinated" -- it is only citizens who have been

disunited!!

Elites/corporations are united in every way possible -- and our elected officials

do their bidding!!


Leaks do come -- but generally too late for anyone to react to --


This is costing all of the states money -- whee is it coming from if not from higher

taxes on wealthy if they want the protection? That would be one point.


But certainly Establishment is under attack by OWS -- the whole structure of it!!

All of the pieces that keep the game going!!



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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:29 PM
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35. I don't work for DHS so I can only speculate about motivation.
However, the tools do exist.

What is the motivation behind most government crackdowns on dissent?
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ChandlerJr Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:29 PM
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36. Of course it's that good
we had FBI and others living with us in the 60's. The bastards drank more Boones Farm and screwed more of the women than we could.

It was just part of their job.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:32 PM
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41. Too many people in too many places for tight OPSEC
Some of those support OWS and there should be leaks
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:41 PM
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50. This is the same administration that coordinated the Bin Laden capture without any leaks whatsoever.
If he can do that, coordinating states to assault and terrorize their citizens without leaks, can be done. Easily.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:46 PM
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52. Actually that was easy
The team dd not know until the go order

The need to know chain was POTUS. Secdef, joint chief of staff, JSOC and unit commander. It was expanded to cabinet when underway and not everybody either.

Here every mayor involved, police chiefs f multiple agencies. AGs and governrs.

Yes, it s coordinated but the need to know group is far larger...why I expect leaks.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:50 PM
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54. Eh....Governor, to Governor, to Governor, to Governor ONLY.
Then Governor to police chief, Governor to police chief, Governor to police chief, Governor to police chief ONLY...until they order the attacks. This could easily have been kept quiet too.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:51 PM
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56. There are more layers than that...and some of them understand that they are the 99% too
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:55 PM
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57. Far more layers
I doubt the Feds are, it is coordinated, but for example SDPD has chief, assistant Chief, Captain in charge of tactical Opps, shift commanders and section leaders.

Multiply this by however many pds are involved.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:30 PM
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38. Agree on the "coordination" --- Elites aren't taking this well, that's for sure -- !!!
OWS are out in the streets because they understand that our government is too

corrupt any longer to function properly! We all know this!!


It's also announcing that capitalism is finished -- as well as the two party duopoly!!

That's the basic wisdom --

There might be some slight adjustments, but this reality isn't going to change!




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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:38 PM
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46. Meanwhile on CNN Piers Morgan and sympathetic audience w/Michael Moore
constantly showing the Oakland demonstrators - audience cheers for their right to demonstrate.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:38 PM
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48. For once I am tuned in
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:43 PM
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51. This is reaching a lot of mainstream America - luckily on this night so people see Oakland
meanwhile I haven't seen much on Oakland on the news portions, yet.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:47 PM
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53. Yup
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