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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 11:15 AM
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biggovernment.com says Lech Walesa won't attend OWS
I won't link to it, so I can't quote from it. Here's their headline:

"Lech Walesa Not Attending #OccupyWallStreet in New York After Discovering Hard-Left Organizers"

They claim that the decision was due to 'information' they provided.


Mods: If this is a violation, please delete.
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Chih Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 11:29 AM
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1. It probably has more to do with the juvenilistic nature of the event
than "information" provided by big g .com.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. Juvenilistic? What's wrong with just calling them dirty hippies.
You fucking teabaggers are too funny. :rofl:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #9
15. It's predicamintistic.
I'm flummbergasted from the influxemated nature of todays overunnated DU.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #15
53. LOL
:rofl:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #53
56. You should have seen the deleted subthreads
Kurovski's been on a roll today, and it was hilarious. He really ought to come around more.

:hi:
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Chih Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #9
25. Dirty hippies...? It is wrong to make statements that lack substantiation.
:hippie:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. Not in today's freewheelongated atmosphere of obvio-predisposated behaviourments.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #25
39. Hippies sound like they were so cool, and they were so
right about everything. I wish I could have been one. Is that why the far rightwing wackos hate them, or fear them probably? Or maybe it was because the chickenhawks on the right were so unpopular when they were teenagers, and the hippies were so popular, that they are still jealous of them.


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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 08:37 AM
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62. Envy
Sigh.

They have been seething with envy & resentment for 50 freaking years.

Totally pathetic.

They cannot admit that they were wrong then, and so have remained STUCK.

Totally pathetic.

Many will die that way.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 04:21 PM
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22. Or Walesa's life long devotion to Scabadarity
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 10:41 PM
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44. Not to mentionise his homophobocity.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 04:37 PM
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26. are you having Teabaggerilistic moment?
Edited on Sat Oct-22-11 04:39 PM by lunatica
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 05:27 PM
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30. well when it grows up it can be a nihilistic event
:shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 07:30 PM
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 08:49 PM
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36. Mock and undermine
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
38. Omg, they are getting less coherent as OWS becomes stronger.
:rofl:
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #1
43. Undisirregardless,
I predictionize a short stay with lots of pepperoni.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 01:40 AM
Response to Reply #1
51. Oh pogo jesus on a shingle, are you seriously fucking?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #1
64. What cartoon is your avatar from?
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 11:44 AM
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3. No direct quote anywhere, this is just something to keep the righties in their 'happy place'
Edited on Sat Oct-22-11 11:45 AM by ck4829
It should be very easy to get a word for word quote from this guy, but apparently Breitbart and friends couldn't be bothered to remember what he said.
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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 11:46 AM
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4. He's a pro-capitalist buddy of Thatcher and Reagan
Edited on Sat Oct-22-11 11:47 AM by Cal Carpenter
He endorsed Repubs in the US as recently as last year and is anti-choice, among a thousand other things that should give pause to anyone at this site. His announcement of support garnered 500+ recommendations on this site which I fund sort of hilarious and sort of horrifying, I think I was almost the only dissenting voice on that thread.

Of course he is anti-left. He always has been.

The lack of ideological understanding or historical accuracy is astounding here sometimes.


eta: I'm not defending the source of this OP in any way. But I have been wondering, after all the press about his announcement of support last week, what ever happened with his 'visit'.
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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. Replying to myself
as a place-holder because there was a bug when I posted and this didn't show up in 'my posts'...
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. I went back and read those threads
You were definitely a lonely voice. I thought the whole concept was strange. Oh well, things like that happen from time to time.
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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. But the question is
will any of those 500+ people who rec'd the post reflexively even be aware of his reversal, or of the error in their assumptions?

I suppose the main reason I am asking is to kick this thread and give it more exposure and see if anyone else responds...

sigh.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #7
16. Why? Am I not good enough for you to respond to? Not a "hello"?
You never call me anymore, either! :cry:
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #4
8. I thought about adding a dissenting voice to that thread but quickly realized that the Walesa
myth was too entrenched for the truth.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 03:58 PM
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13. I cut people a bit of slack
Most don't remember much about him other than a vague legacy as a strong iconic leader. Of something.

All those recs and emotions probably speak more about the stunning lack of leadership we're experiencing
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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 04:31 PM
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23. I think it is lack of ideology and historical understanding more than it is lack of leaders
Leaders can give us rhetoric that may inspire emotion but accomplish nothing. What we need is a population with a much stronger understanding of how we got here, the systemic nature of our economic and social problems, and the ability to even look at alternatives to what we have now.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 05:34 PM
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31. Agree to a point
That point being the ideological and historical understanding from the electorate when they pivoted the new FDR into the WH after he campaigned from the Left. To the best of their ability it looks like voters thought they had some idea of economic and social problems.

Sadly, both parties have become adept at convincing they're actually 'alternatives.'

:-(
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 04:18 PM
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21. Bingo
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 04:57 PM
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28. Wow. Thank you. I admit ignorance.
I had no idea of these facts. I just assumed he was a progressive.

There is too much to know. That's why these forums are so valuable. By shariing this, you helped me.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 05:54 PM
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32. Yeah, I was probably one of the recs on that.
I'm with Gregorian... so much to know, so little time. i too thought he was a progressive. Didn't know about the pro-choice thing either... I remember him standing up and leading in a time that needed leadership. And admittedly was very right-leaning at that time in my life. Sorry you were the lone voice... didn't peruse that thread too deeply.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 11:47 AM
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6. Given Walesa fondness and respect for Reagan, I've little doubt he'd find
Edited on Sat Oct-22-11 11:51 AM by Luminous Animal
many of the discussions and actions too far to the left. Walesa is quite conservative and Breitbart knows that.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. Yeah, solidarity and all that , but Lech is a big vodka bottle full of stupid.
Edited on Sat Oct-22-11 04:01 PM by Kurovski
The lumbering idiot didn't even care that Reagan told unions to fuck off.

He's a big, pukey-faced homophobe. He can eat my ass. No. He can eat SANTORUM's ass, his leaky, bubbly rectum.

Edit: gol'darnit to gosh, but I can't stop spelling like a thorazined freeper today.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 04:01 PM
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14. No need to hold back like that
:rofl:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 04:08 PM
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17. As a fellow countryman, I hold that old skin-bag of dumb to a higher standard.
He'll get no pierogi's of praise from THIS Polish-American, I can fucking tell you that much.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. Do you think it's possible...
...that he's off his meds again? :rofl:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 04:13 PM
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19. Who, me or that polish particle of pooped-out potato pancake?
:hi:
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. You go, guy!
I just love your way with words...
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #20
29. It's an art form :)
:hi:
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 06:25 PM
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33. But of course. I agree. And bless you for having it.
You are a treasure that I hold dear...
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 08:54 PM
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37. Darn! Kurovski's best work has been disappeared. :(
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 09:09 PM
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40. Jesus. pinboy, if you want my thunder just crack me one and slap it out of my hand, why don't you.
You really owe me that kiss now. :D

I see our new friend lobbied well for a linguistic lock down up there.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 01:43 AM
Response to Reply #40
52. More like your thunder fell into my lap
Damn shame about that lockdown...that was some really good stuff. :toast:

I wish I hadn't been so busy at the time, or I would have been able to play. But from what I could see, you were doing fine all by yourself. I'm still :rofl: .
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 01:59 AM
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54. I dub thee Sir Pinboy of Thunderlap.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 02:09 AM
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55. THANKYOU, THANKYOU, THANKYOU--that's now my new pickup line
:rofl:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 04:32 PM
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24. Don't forget how he blamed France and Germany for the Iraq war.
Evidently they didn't oppose the war vigorously enough to prevent it. Although Walesa makes this accusation as someone who supported the war vocally.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 10:12 PM
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41. I well remember the day George Bush gave a speech to Poles about his hateful, criminal war.
His yapping lies were performed in some outdoor square of a centuries-old Krakow palace that somehow hadn't been bombed to shit in WWII. The icy glares at that man as he tried to sell his war was received as if some slobbering drunken pimp was trying to sell a diseased prostitute.

Most Poles hated that goddamned war and knew full well it was all alie. Europe didn't have a media blackout like we had here in the U.S.
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dameocrat67 Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 07:17 PM
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34. Given his support of Reagan and Thatcher
Edited on Sat Oct-22-11 07:18 PM by dameocrat67
I was kind of shocked he supported it in the first place, though he was leader of a union that calls itself the wobbly phrase/slogan Solidarity, so he is a very contradictory figure, and difficult to understand.

I also dont know whether to trust this news since it is only being reported on bagger websites.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #34
42. He may yet show up, or make a statement if union organizations contact him.
But probably not if the Human Rights Campaign gives him a call.

"Lech Walesa is a prominent homophobe

Walesa himself also made all sorts of statements. It is well known that he is a homophobe and has never denied that. So it is not strange for him to make statements such as homosexuality is an illness that needs to be cured."


http://dalje.com/en-world/european-politicians-have-rac...
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 11:10 PM
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45. These replies are hilarious. Way to throw Lech under the bus
Edited on Sat Oct-22-11 11:11 PM by Joe the Revelator
A week ago this guy was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. Here's a revelation for you Joe. Not by me, not for many decades.
And do you mean to tell me that you don't get the whole "Corporate Media only tells ya what they want you to know" theory? People get new info every day that challenges their pre-concieved notions. Sometimes people even change their minds based on convictions. Ain't that fuck-all?

Mr. Welesa is a bigot, a right wing dimshit, a hypocrite and a pain in my polka today.

So Joe, is that a finger wag, or are you haling a bus to somewhere?
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. You weren't very vocal during the Lech love feat the last couple of weeks
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 12:48 AM
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48. That's the best you can do?
I'll start showing up to DU every day as soon as I start seeing a weekly check in my mailbox.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 01:19 AM
Response to Reply #48
49. You're silly
Edited on Sun Oct-23-11 01:20 AM by Joe the Revelator
Pick and choose all you want, it's your perogative
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 01:20 AM
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50. But seriously Joe, I would have loved to have made a fuss on one of those threads.
I deeply regret my own absence.

(And as an aside apropos of nothing Joe and I are discussing: Justin Paul from Wisconsin ain't the boss of me.)
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 02:18 AM
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57. For the record, "Justin Paul from Wisconsin is an idiot" is my doing.
Stealing my thunder, friend? LOL!

And yeah, I got your back. Not that you need it.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 02:29 AM
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58. Well, you could have jumped in anytime.
How long was I to wait? The public is clamoring for information, like, say...Walesa is anti-abortion, or Walesa supported a Republican politician in Illinois...came all the way across the sea just because. Wasn't that nice of him, just showed up in support, and went to a Chicago "Taste of Teabag" festival.

He must have been very...inspired...to do such a thing.

"...Former President of Poland Lech Walesa came to Chicago to support Adam Andrzejewski as the GOP candidate for Governor.

As you see I support Adam..I am convinced that he is right. But we live in times that people do not always listen to those that are right, said Walesa speaking through a translator.

(Walesa) stopped by a Tea Party Function in downtown Chicago that was organized to give support to a number of candidates in this Tuesdays election."



Read more: http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/01/29/lech-wale...

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 08:47 AM
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63. Adam Andrzejewski is the guy who informed Lech of all the terrible Commie Marines
teachers, firefighters, emergency workers, unemployed, foreclosed-upon, and homeless in the ows movement.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 02:39 AM
Response to Reply #57
59. Thanks and good night my friend.
:hi:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 03:40 AM
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60. Good! He's a horrible human being.
The 500 recs for him last week was terrifying.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 08:34 AM
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61. He wonders what Charles Pierce would say...
Edited on Sun Oct-23-11 08:39 AM by Kurovski
I don't know myself, but I do know the kind of anti-union publicity stunts Koch-level money can buy. Maybe Pierce might publicly ask Lech Welesa what exactly his beef is with unions and US Marines? I'd love to hear the answer.

Moran from American Thinker reveals his own concerns:


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/10/lech_walesa...
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 12:39 PM
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65. K to find in GD (nt)
Edited on Sun Oct-23-11 12:43 PM by Kurovski
Edit: are some fairly g-rated thoughts on the matter...

Thread..."Lech Walesa, What do you Have Against Unions and the U S Marines? "


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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