Zuccotti Park neighbors furious at OWS

[monmouth]

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/occupy_wall_street/2011/10/21/2011-10-21_neighbors_not_protesters.html

Full article at link:

Occupy Wall Streeters got an earful Thursday night from lower Manhattan residents fed up with the revolutionary racket and having their doorsteps used as toilets.

Protesters and homeowners on the perimeter of Zuccotti Park squared off at the raucous meeting of Community Board 1's Financial District and quality of life committees.

"I can't take the noise and garbage," Financial District resident Laura Fernandez said.

The crowd of about 200 seemed evenly divided between lower Manhattan residents demanding an end game to the demonstrations and protesters vowing to fight for as long as it takes for Wall Street greed to end.

"They are defecating on our doorsteps," griped Katherine Hughes, a mom who lives a block from Zuccotti Park.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/occupy_wall_street/2011/10/21/2011-10-21_neighbors_not_protesters.html#ixzz1bQeI6r3h

[ChandlerJr]

1. If they don't like it maybe they should move to one of those

exclusive gated communities they love so much.

[LynneSin]

5. Seriously that isn't a fair comment

I am 100% supportive of OWS but being disrespectful to the residents that live in the neighborhood just make our movement look bad. Not everyone in that area is associated with Wall Street so to suggest they move is pretty damn rude.

Mind you I wouldn't be shocked if the people doing that are those trying to sabotage OWS. I remember being there a few weeks ago on a Sunday night and the OWS general assembly at the WS location passed a rule that said quiet hours started at 10pm at night because they wanted to be respectful to the neighbors. I got the impression that the folks who normally camp at the park are pretty mindful of the neighbors and cleaning up after themselves.

[ChandlerJr]

10. Sure it's fair

They've been living a few blocks from the biggest stink in the world, Wall Street, without complaint for years. That's got to be some real expensive RE down there, I'm sure they're mostly part of the 1%.

Too bad, so sad.

[Inuca]

13. That's BS n/t

[Speed8098]

55. Why?

Why is it BS? Do have a clue what the Real Estate prices are in that area? I do.

[LynneSin]

16. Really, that is just an embarassing assumption

I'm not talking about the businesses down there I'm talking the people. And to make assumptions like you have made is reasons why OWS gets a black eye.

Perhaps we should consider WHO is really doing this since I doubt it is OWS. An article in a right-wing rag attacking OWS as serial crappers. My guess is they wrote the article to try and make the OWS look bad.

Read past the headline instead of making bad assumptions!

[backscatter712]

39. You got it. This is a right-wing one-pecenter attack piece on OWS.

Are they really shitting on the streets, screwing in their tents and pissing on the neighbors' doors?

Show proof!

[JVS]

32. They don't care what their neighbors do to our neighborhoods.

So I don't care what our neighbors do to their neighborhood.

[tritsofme]

38. Incredibly juvenile statement.

These folks that live there are part of that "99%" too.

[LynneSin]

45. Don't lump people that live in the area as with the Wall Street businesses

2 different groups

[Xithras]

33. There's about a 0% chance that they're in the 1%

Nobody making $350,000 a year, or with millions in the bank, is going to call an apartment in the NY financial district "home". Anyone making that kind of money can affort to live somewhere a bit nicer...and would probably have a doorman to chase away the stoop poopers.

[LynneSin]

44. One of the Koch Brothers lives on the Upper East Side with a view of Central Park

The point is this - it's probably not OWS people doing it but they are easy targets for blame unfortunately.

[KurtNYC]

50. respectfully, you don't know what you are talking about

Real estate in Manhattan in $1000 per square foot. Here are condos and properties in the same zip code as Zucotti:
http://www.trulia.com/NY/New_York/10006/

And your post is defending stoop pooping on the stoops of the 99%.

[Xithras]

52. Respectfully, I do.

Census data puts the average household incomes in that area between $100k and $150k a year. Poor? Not even close. Part of the 1%? Not even close. That's a solidly upper middle class neighborhood in Manhattan, but those aren't the multi-millionaires and billionaires that the OWS people are fighting against.

And how in the world did you get that I'm "defending" stoop pooping on the 99%? I think that stoop poopers should get their asses tossed in a cell no matter WHO the house belongs to.

[Lucinda]

34. +1

[Shagbark Hickory]

37. Partial credit.

Living in NYC comes with the reasonable expectation that at some point an individual(s) will defecate on your doorstep.

[emilyg]

40. Would you like feces on your doorstep?

[handmade34]

2. could all chip in

to bring in some porta-johns

[murray hill farm]

3. maybe...

some of the mega millionare residents of that area could start up a neighborhood fund to bring in porta pottys. Being part of the solutions, rather than part of the problem?

[LynneSin]

6. Why do you assume everyone who lives there is Multi-Millionaires?

That's no better than the right assuming everyone who lives in the park is a bunch of unemployed slobs who just want to live off of government handouts.

[FarLeftFist]

4. Read the Constitution. This is your new reality.

[LynneSin]

8. And where in the constitution does it say it's ok to crap and piss on public property

Mind you, I suspect that it's probably not the main occupants of the OWS doing this but those trying to sabotage it. But if we are the 99% then there is a good chance the residents in that neighborhood are part of the 99% too.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

25. Assholes waiting for the bus piss in my yard every day,

There are no less than three public washrooms, one of them 24/7 within two minutes of my door. Some people are just animals.

[FarLeftFist]

53. Where does it NOT say that in the Constitution?

[JVS]

54. During the founders' time, it would have been obvious that free assembly involves crap and piss.

[sinkingfeeling]

7. Why am I doubtful of this story? Seems it's only being reported on RW blogs and sites

[LynneSin]

11. I have to agree. Can this woman prove that someone from OWS left the 'gift' on her doorstep?

And when I was visiting OWS, they were in general assembly and they passed a rule that said no noise after 10pm. When 10pm came and went the drums were silented and the chanters all got ready for bed.

But to be fair - these people are using the bathroom somewhere. I have a sensitive nose and I couldn't smell anything offensive there. My assumption is they have arrangements for a place to go in that area and to take showers.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

The meeting occured, the statements quoted were made as well, so that part is accurate

Were the statements accurate or correct is a different matter.

If this really is a problem, I suggest digital cameras either during or afterward.

[coalition_unwilling]

48. Hello. Trying to drive a wedge between OWS and the middle class.

I don't think it will work b/c the tactic was predicted before the stories even starting appearing.

[LynneSin]

9. You have to wonder if it's OWS doing the crapping or sabotagers?

There's alot of assumptions not only in the article but even by DUers who are replying to the post.

The right wants to do everything to make OWS look bad so I wouldn't be shocked if the crapping is done by a bunch of Jamie O'Keefe wannabes trying to make OWS look bad.

And to assume that those living in the area are a bunch of wealthy 1%ers is just shameful for ANY DUers.

[Cirque du So-What]

19. I remember seeing a photo recently

of a 'protestor' - pants down and rump plastered to the door of someone's automobile - supposedly defecating on said vehicle. My first thought ran along the lines of, 'how convenient that a RW blogger was present - camera in hand - to document this event.

[LynneSin]

20. Exactly

That wasn't an OWSer. It was a OWSabotager.

[Fire Walk With Me]

35. It was a police car, and the photo only showed a man with his trousers down, not an actual act of

defecation, so who knows if there was any follow-through, or if it is merely a humorous pic?

[Cirque du So-What]

51. You're correct

I had forgotten that it was a police car. It's also how you described: no shit, just a guy who'd dropped trou, sorta like 'COINTELPRO Lite.'

[maxrandb]

12. Just goes to show you that

even beautiful people poop!

This appears to just be "news" on Right-wing hate sites. Probably because if anyone can identify a load of crap, it's Right-wing hate sites.

Don't fall for this propaganda. It's just one more example of the right-wing lashing out against the OWS Protesters and trying to "dehumanize" them. It's what they always do to folks that cause them distress...they try to "dehumanize" them.

"How could you support such savages"! they bleat.

[flamingdem]

14. Well admittedly it would not be fun to live near that noise

but they should really just pick up a bongo and join in. If you're not part of the solution..

[LynneSin]

18. BTW the OWS in the park have quiet hours after 10am

My guess is the story is a plant to make the OWS group look bad.

[flamingdem]

26. Agreed, especially the doorstep

pooping comment. That was probably your basic Bowery bum if anything.

What really worries them is their Real Estate values, lol.

[piratefish08]

15. yes, they need to be clean, respectful, etc..... BUT at some point, the fact that it is a protest

and not a fucking parade will have to prevail...

once winter is done, there will be a renewed vigor and THOUSANDS will descend and stay...........

jmhwo......

[mikeytherat]

17. Ah, yes. NYC - where only protesters use the streets for a toilet.

I remember walking down the streets of Manhattan in the early '90s, and being hit repeatedly with warm blasts of urine-scented air. I didn't see any protesters, but there must have been a bunch of them!

mikey_the_rat

[tridim]

21. That's the prime reason I only lasted a year in NYC.

NYC natives don't notice it, but the place stinks. Especially the subway stations on warm days.

[HughBeaumont]

42. These RW bloggers should come to Cleveland sometime.

Must be shit-tons of stealth incontinent "protesters" selling some second-hand lemonade at the all-but-abandoned East Ohio building I have to walk by every day before work. :rofl: :puke: :rofl:

[Snotcicles]

22. If they can arrange for hundreds of portable facilities in an open field at Woodstock

whats the problem? They can get them in and out quick.

[Me.]

23. As A Resident Of The City I Can Tell You

Noise is one of the biggest problems Nyers face. It’s hard to get a moment of peace and quiet and after a month I can well imagine that the residents are up on arms. And, hygiene is a problem, especially with that number of people involved. It does no good bad mouthing the residents for valid complaints.

Now the OWSers recognize the problems and have started to take steps. First they have moved the drummers who were playing all night long to Union Square. which is much less residential. What they need to do next is address sanitation. They have at least half a mil in the bank…they should get porta-potties in. I bet they could even get a deal.

[monmouth]

27. Would they need a permit for the porta-potties? ...n/t

[vets74]

30. Bloomberg can't afford Porta-Potties.

Don'tcha know.

[Me.]

46. I've Wondered About That Too

But surely that would be in the best interest of everyone and could be negotiated. Also, the teamsters, who are said to be supporting them, could maybe help them organize this. For films they have 'honey wagons', which are like a truck with a number of attached porta potties. And if it was a homeless man who is the culprit, which I suspect it was, then they would be helping out the homeless who have no place to go unless they have money to buy something at a fast food, starbucks or restaurant.

[AngryAmish]

24. I think we all need to get out there and start shitting on our neighbors' porches

We need to make a statement, nationwide.

[emilyg]

41. Care to give us your address?

[Javaman]

28. This has been happening long before the OWS protesters.

East Village Man Won't Stop Defecating on Doorsteps
http://newyork.nearsay.com/nyc/east-village-les/st-marks-homeless-man-defecating-doorsteps

I have been living in New York City for 25 years and for the first time, I have a problem that seems to be hard to solve. I live on St. Mark's Place, between 2nd and 3rd Streets and for the past six weeks I’ve had a homeless man shit on the front door of my building. I called 311 and 911 and neither wants to deal with this. I get it too, there are a lot bigger issues going on. However, this subhuman of a homeless man has created a quality of life issue for both me and my neighbors.

It’s not fun starting your day off when you walk out of your building to greet the world and it kicks off with the stench and a literal pile of shit, along with flies. The first I have caught the Doorshitter in action I was nice to him. I told him he must stop and if he doesn’t I will take action, but the Mad Crapper has continued his shitty assault on my door.


more at link...

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and from my personal experience. While working the last NYC Marathon, we had tons of "gift bags" left over at the end of the race. I took a bunch to give to homeless folks (since they contained fruits and healthbars). One two different occasions, on the way back to Penn, I approached a homeless guy only to be greeted by his rear end as he sat to pop a squat. Finally, I gave the bags to a homeless guy in Penn.

So this story is BS. I can say with all certainty that it's NOT the OWS folks.

[JVS]

31. "this subhuman of a homeless man has created a quality of life issue for both me and my neighbors."

Did this asshole ever stop to think what kind of quality of life issue being homeless and not having a decent place to take a shit has been for that "subhuman"?

[maxrandb]

43. On my first Navy ship

we had a "Phantom Shitter". He would leave a "gift" in the shower. Never did catch the guy, but if the Hull Tech's had caught him it wouldn't have been pretty.

[JVS]

29. Boo hoo.

[Fire Walk With Me]

36. Gloomberg couldn't get rid of them with intimidation and violence, now comes the demonization.

Wake up people, this is PROPAGANDA, even if it carries any measure of truth. Don't fall for it, it's going to be everywhere. "Ooh they're dirty (heard the word dirty used against them lately?), make they go away!"

"See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." -Monkey Boy Ook Ook

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxnegxNEDAc

[Desertrose]

47. Exactly!!!!

[proud patriot]

49. there were porta potties at occupy oakland

Perhaps they should take up a collection.