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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 12:16 PM
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ATTENTION Corp News shills & OWS Haters..A Leader Arrives. Dare You to Cover His Speech
Edited on Fri Oct-14-11 12:18 PM by Blaze Diem
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----------------------------------------------------------------Cross post from Omaha Steve

Thanks OSteve. This is great news to OWStreetors & the 99% being beaten down & beaten back by corporate shills

I am so impressed that I just had to cross post this news to GD. everyone needs to see this

Thank You
Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Lech (Solidarity)Walesa, former Polish president, to visit New York in support of Occupy Wall Street

Source: NY Daily News

By Corky Siemaszko

Solidarity hero Lech Walesa is flying to New York to show his support for the Occupy Wall Street protesters.

"How could I not respond," Walesa told a Polish newspaper Wednesday. "The thousands of people gathered near Wall Street are worried about the fate of their future, the fate of their country. This is something I understand."

A former shipyard worker who led Poland's successful revolt against Soviet communism, Walesa said "capitalism is in crisis" and not just in America.

"This is a worldwide problem," he told the Lublin-based Dziennik Wschodni newspaper. "The Wall Street protesters have focused a magnifying glass on the problem."



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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 12:18 PM
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1. Pleased to be the first to make a Recommend and have it stick (for now)
And a Kick too
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 12:32 PM
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4. certainly. Omaha Steve has the link to the entire story..
This needs to go viral, I want the media who has snubbed OWS every way possible to HAVE to report this.
Walesa knows what he's doing, what the OWS is up against and just what it will take to stick to the fight. He understands the 'long haul'.

It damn near brings tears to my eyes to hear this news.
We are up against such an enormous & powerful opposition..Global
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 12:47 PM
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7. it took a cat 5 hurricane to stop the spinning from corpmedia...this is why they fear about Walesa's
Edited on Fri Oct-14-11 12:47 PM by blm
solidarity with OWS
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 03:10 PM
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14. lol, ya & the haters are spinning in circles at this news..They need a Cat 6 or better for this one
ha.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 12:19 PM
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2. K&R
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 12:20 PM
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3. Lech Walesa, info for anyone not familiar with him:
Lech Wałęsa (Polish: Lech Wałęsa) (Polish: <ˈlɛx vaˈwɛ̃sa> ( listen), English: /ˌlɛk vəˈwɛnsə/ or /wɔːˈlɛnsə/;<1><2> born 29 September 1943) is a Polish politician, trade-union organizer, and human-rights activist. A charismatic leader, he co-founded Solidarity (Solidarność ;), the Soviet bloc's first independent trade union, won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1983, and served as President of Poland between 1990 and 95.<3>

Wałęsa was an electrician by trade, with no higher education. Soon after beginning work at the Gdańsk (then, "Lenin") Shipyards, he became a trade-union activist. For this he was persecuted by the Polish communist government, placed under surveillance, fired in 1976, and arrested several times. In August 1980 he was instrumental in negotiations that led to the ground-breaking Gdańsk Agreement between striking workers and the government, and he became a co-founder of the Solidarity trade-union movement. Arrested again after martial law was imposed and Solidarity was outlawed, upon release he continued his activism and was prominent in the establishment of the 1989 Round Table Agreement that led to semi-free parliamentary elections in June 1989 and to a Solidarity-led government.

In 1990 he successfully ran for the newly re-established office of President of Poland. He presided over Poland's transformation from a communist to a post-communist state, but his popularity waned. After he narrowly lost the 1995 presidential election, his role in Polish politics was diminished. His international fame remains, however, and he speaks and lectures in Poland and abroad on history and politics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech_Wa%C5%82%C4%99sa
:bounce:
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 01:05 PM
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8. A heros hero
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MinneapolisMatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 12:36 PM
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5. Lech Walesa! LOVE HIM.
YAY!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 12:39 PM
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6. Blaze...ADD THIS GRAPHIC...over 300 recs and still rising
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 01:10 PM
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10. Thank You..A great post
He is a force of solidarity that will be feared by the OWS haters.
Thank you Mr Walesa
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 01:09 PM
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9. Be careful. From what I understand he's a *gasp*
"socialist". :sarcasm: Or as one op-ed I read at the time (and I remember this well), his policies were "dangerously left wing". :rofl: He might piss off the Paulbots and we can't have that. Also :sarcasm:.
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 01:12 PM
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11. Yes, his presence will stirr up a panic of discreditization by the opposition.
Edited on Fri Oct-14-11 01:25 PM by Blaze Diem
Game On, Haters
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 06:15 PM
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17. oh noooooooooooooo But the Pee Party hates socialists
haaaaaaaaaaa
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 09:35 PM
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22. Deleted message
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 07:58 AM
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31. Actually, he's probably the only union leader St. Ronnie ever had a good word for
Cos he was standing against the commies an' all.
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 01:44 PM
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12. Solidarnosc forever!
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 02:36 PM
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13. Destiny chose Lec Walesa for LEADER of Occupy the World
Edited on Fri Oct-14-11 02:38 PM by Blaze Diem
his shoulders must be very big
A daunting task.

I believe he may emerge as a central figurehead in this fight.
Who better qualified is there?
Not for just one message, nor a self serving or a corporate bought purpose,
but for the solidarity of 99%, as they unite against the immorality & greed of the remaining 1%
and their domination of an entire planet.

I wish the history books had already been written on this unsettled time, and I wish for a happy ending.
May peacemakers emerge as world leaders

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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 03:50 PM
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15. So, he's come to save capitalism...

Thanks but no thanks.

The Poles have suffered tremendous wealth disparity since he pulled off his act.



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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 05:47 PM
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16. Maybe he's coming to level the playing field of capitalism.
Regulate Capitalism and it serves a productive purpose for many.
It was de-regulation that gave us 1 vs 99 per cent.
First we must end the buying of politicians who make the laws that favor the greed of the 'run-amok' 1%.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 06:37 PM
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19. It's good he's lending his support, but in no way could he
be a leader of this movement. I really wish people would respect the wishes of those who started and are continuing this movement so successfully. They have stated over and over again and found it necessary to repeat again this week, the strength of their movement is that it is leaderless, yet everyone leads. Do you see how successful it has been? Probably the fastest growing most successful people's movement every? Why the need for a leader? Walesa led his own movement in his own time.

This is a new movement and a very different time. Three weeks ago people, even here, were predicting it would 'die without leaders' etc. etc. They know what they are doing. And why change a winning strategy??

Having said that, I am very glad that he, and so many other respected and prominent figures have taken the trouble to go visit the protesters and support them. But this movement will eventually have leaders who will emerge FROM the movement, as he did in his time.
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shockra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 09:48 PM
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24. Well said.
I agree.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:07 AM
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39. Don't let the 'They Need a Leader' chorus bother you
Some people just aren't feeling it unless their hair is on fire and everything is doomed.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 07:09 AM
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28. Regulated capitalism was a historical anomaly.

Those conditions have passed and Capital is back to business as usual.

Teddy Roosevelt regulated capitalism, how long did that last?

FDR regulated capitalism, that lasted a little longer even as it was being undermined, and here we are again.

Time to get off of that merry-go-round, kill capitalism.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 06:20 PM
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18. People of the World Unite... the Class War is global and the elite started it
enjoy
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 07:20 PM
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20. Yes they did..Game On !
exactly right
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 09:21 PM
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21. SOLIDARITY!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 09:36 PM
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23. K & R !!!
:bounce: :woohoo: :bounce:

:toast:

:kick:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 09:51 PM
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25. K&R
That is GREAT!
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 10:28 PM
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26. Read Naomi Klein's chapter in The Shock Doctrine about how the Polish workers' revolution
was betrayed by the same bunch that imposed "shock therapy" on Russia.
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 11:05 PM
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27. FYI to OWS & the 99% ..Never Again Let Your Guard Down
If given a chance they'll steal your very soul while you stop to tie your shoes

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 09:13 AM
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33. The Polish movement received support/funds from CIA ... as Gates tells it -- !!
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:25 AM
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41. Undoubtedly--anything to irritate the Soviets in those days, but...
once the Soviets let Poland go, the neoliberal "shock doctrine" types took over.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:49 PM
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56. Agree .... and ....
relative to little else, I've always been suspicious that the Polish Pope

was CIA --

Oddly enough evidently the CIA envied the Vatican intelligence networks --

and maybe enough to want to take them over?


When Pope John XXIII moved Vatican II he was turning the church into a democracy --

quite a threat to elites for whom organized patriarchal religion is an underpinning --

and "Manifest Destiny" and "Man's Dominion Over Nature" a license to steal!



:evilgrin:


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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 09:57 AM
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36. Yep.
He knows, therefore, what OWS is up against.
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:21 AM
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40. Yes he does
Wonder which network will carry his speech.
Its the show of force for solidarity as the OWStreetors are sure to be met with increased force against them.
OWS is a threat & the 1% are not giving an inch without a battle of some sort.
Push will be met with shove because they are a bunch of arrogant thugs.

Walesa knows indeed what is down the road for the 99%.
His support is welcome
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 11:01 AM
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48. That was Jeffrey Sachs, right?
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 07:27 AM
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29. Solidarity & K&R! Thank you OS & BD, keep bringing it. :)
:bounce: :toast: :hi: :grouphug: :yourock:

OWS is the real deal & everyday I'm loving it!
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 07:56 AM
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30. And a leader he is.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 09:12 AM
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32. Americans now know what the rest of the world has long known about capitalism ...
and this should be capitalism's last go around ---

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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 09:37 AM
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34. Thank you,
Thank you, Lech! I have goosebumps running up and down my body. I feel hope...and it's been decades since I've felt that.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 09:53 AM
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35. He knows that there is no difference between American Republicans and Soviet Communists!
Edited on Sat Oct-15-11 09:56 AM by Joe Bacon
They are exactly the same. Both American Republicans and Soviet Communists believe that a tiny elite should have total control over society.

Ask my friends who fled the Soviet Union, every one of them will tell you that American conservatives act exactly like Soviet Communists. They point out how American megachurches act just like Soviet Communist Party cells. They point out that America has a Soviet type Politburo that controls society. Grover Norquist is the American version of Stalin. His weekly gatherings work the same way as the Soviet Politburo did. They point out that the Soviet Union Communist Party meetings are just like the weekly services held in megachurches where American pulpit pimps speak the same Soviet-type talking points. The only difference between them is two words; when Soviet Communists spoke of Marx, American Conservatives spoke of God and when Soviet Communists spoke of Lenin, American Conservatives speak of Reagan!
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:02 AM
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37. Hmmm.
That's an interesting comparison I hadn't heard of. I may have to use that in the future.


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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:25 AM
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42. THank You. Well said
They both operate from the same play book
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:37 AM
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44. Totalitarians come in many different economic stripes.
Edited on Sat Oct-15-11 10:38 AM by kestrel91316
Our American corporate totalitarians are full brothers to the communist totalitarians of the USSR. I see little if any difference. Equal levels of EVIL.
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66 dmhlt Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 11:49 AM
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52. You gotta love the irony: Video of Reagan PRAISING Walesa
"REAGAN: Id like to take a moment this afternoon to send a moment of congratulation to one of the worlds greatest labor leaders, Lech Walęsa.... This award demonstrates that the world will always remember and will honor the commitment to freedom and the commitment to free trade unions that Lech Wałęsa and millions of brave Polish people share."

Source:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNmLqzxSi4
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:03 AM
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38. I'm not for or against Mr. Walesa
as some are further down the thread. I am not in favor of the OWS having a leader. Of people thinking it has a leader. Of being led at all. Without a leader, there is no metaphorical head for the power structure to cut off. As long as this is an affiliation of like minded folks showing dissatisfaction with the way things are, the longer it will last. IMHO :bounce:
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:32 AM
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43. Indeed. Walesa was a leader. OWS does not need a leader per say & I dont think his intent is to be
Edited on Sat Oct-15-11 10:35 AM by Blaze Diem
the official leader, He already is a leader in his own right. They're are other greats like him. However, he is a welcome show of power & good for galvanizing OWS as the Wall Street bullies try to dismantle their strength. His appearance may open the door for more figures/celebrity of his stature to step forward in a show of strength.
I am anxious to hear what he has to say
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:40 AM
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45. His intent is to inspire and demonstrate what leadership looks like.
An organization can lead without having one single leader person in a prominent position.
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:56 AM
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46. Thats how I see it also.
Edited on Sat Oct-15-11 10:59 AM by Blaze Diem
The link to Omahasteves post has a pic of Walesa.
Wish I could hear him speak

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:58 AM
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47. "How could I not respond," Walesa
:thumbsup:
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 11:33 AM
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49. W-e - - n-e-e-d - - a - - L-e-c-h - - Walesa - - N-A-T-I-O-N-W-I-D-E - - T-o-u-r - ! - ! - ! - !
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pnwest Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 11:39 AM
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50. Too cool!
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 11:40 AM
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51. Well whatever his motive for engaging OWS..His speach is welcome..BUT
Edited on Sat Oct-15-11 11:41 AM by Blaze Diem
OWS & the 99% will decide if he is truely with us or not.

His words will either empower us or expose him as a friend of run amok capatalism as some posters fear.

interesting days ahead

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Marnie Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 12:02 PM
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53. This is wonderful.
Let's see.

We will have one Noble Peace Prize winner, son of college graduates, graduate of a highly ranked university, one time professor, and multiple war monger who is an American President who does nothing but bad mouth his base.

And then we have a Nobel Peace Prize winner who is dock worker and ex political con who pretty much single handedly defeated the USSR in Europe with out so much as a water pistol who does support the liberal base.


Can we hope Obama learns a couple of libraries worth from this man?
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 01:07 PM
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55. Ouch! but I am with you on this. You state another good reason why we MUST march on
We are all we have left.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 12:46 PM
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54. K & R
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