Moveon.org please move on...

[Earth_First]

#OWS does not need your well-placed activists, contacts OR your donor lists.

Thank you for your cooperation.

[mod mom]

1. Did they co-opt that video "I'm not Moving"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


I watched it last night and today I found it posted w a move-on link.

[Earth_First]

2. That's exactly what prompted the OP...

This wasn't the first occasion, either.

[sinkingfeeling]

3. Funny, I thought the whole idea was to create a movement of the entire 99%? Since I don't

play on Facebook or Twitter, I get a lot of information from organizations like Moveon, PFA, PFAW, Common Cause, etc.

[Carolina]

4. I feel the same

Moveon and PFAW are great sources of information for those of us who don't use social media like Facebook.

And how the hell do you tweet?!

Guess I'm showing my age!

[SoapBox]

8. Ditto...I don't Facebook or do Twitter...

I'm just not interested...I'm too busy...and I don't trust those sites.

[Uncle Joe]

7. It does seem ironic, as if some want to divide and conquer themselves?

[jwirr]

11. Exactly - there are far too many people who are being told - go away

we (the 99%) do not want your input. If there is a 99% then those of us who are moveon.com followers are either in it or not? Your choice. What about DU are we supposed to refrain from commenting also?

[socialist_n_TN]

14. Yep, IF that's the (impossible) dream

then why are Ron Paulbots welcome, but MoveOn is not?

[Luminous Animal]

29. The OWS movement will welcome members of any of your listed organizations.

That is, individuals who wish to participate in the OWS movement. They do not want to be co-opted by anyone other organization.

[Chan790]

33. Can we at-least hope they're allowed to tell the Ron Paulite individuals to suck a nut.

Because the Ron Paul people are making an serious effort to infiltrate and co-opt.

Ron Paul is the stalking horse of the GOP and Wall St.

[Luminous Animal]

36. Anyone can participate. If all occupy orgs around the country and world stick

to the leaderless consensus model, Paulites would not be able to take over.

[Chan790]

37. Their methods are immune to that...

they don't try to take over, they spoil the core-cause of the movement and run off anybody who opposes Ron Paul. Leaderless consensus does nothing to stop OWS from becoming another Paul borg-cube if they shout-down and drive-out anybody who supports the original cause of the movement...because the original cause of the movement is anathema to Ron Paul.

He's the stalking horse of conservatism.
He's the stalking horse of Wall St.
and
He's the stalking horse of the 1%.

[Luminous Animal]

39. Leaderless consensus model does not = no rules... one of those rules is no

shouting down. Another is no repeating what has already been state or participating with the equivalent of "ditto". I've worked in several consensus organizations that had to deal with infiltrators (LaRouchites) each org must devise their own tactic with enforcing the rules. In ACT UP, members would surround the rule breaker and essentially stare them down until they shut up. When I was in the Women's Action Coalition, the Sparticus League, over a period of weeks attempted an aggressive take-over by breaking the rules. We ended up with several 4-5 hour long meetings where nothing was accomplished other than isolating the disruptors.

People need to maintain their resolve and not capitulate to bullies. If they are willing to run away from the problem by being driven out, then Ron Paul deserves their organization.

[Chan790]

45. It sounds like you're prepared for them.

So we assume and hope that the various Occupy America's are as well.

[marions ghost]

5. eh?

OWS needs liberal supporters.

[nc4bo]

6. MoveOn and brand new OccupyFayetteville standing together

this afternoon at the former Slave Market now known as Market House today.

It's going to take all of us.

[sinkingfeeling]

9. Hi, from Fayetteville, AR. We're doing our march on Saturday through our Farmers' Market!

[nc4bo]

41. Have a great march sinkingfeeling!!! nt

[marions ghost]

10. I'm with you nc4bo

We need EVERYBODY who is on this wave to join together.

Occupy Fayetteville & MoveOn



(my MIL lives in Fayetteville--I know where you are)

[nc4bo]

42. Cool about your MIL! The old slave house was a great place to hold this

lots of traffic during rush hour going around the round a bout.

[jwirr]

12. Make it in honor of those slaves who know what it is to suffer. Go

OccupyFayetteville.

[nc4bo]

43. We got there 1/2 hr late and had to leave an hour early, mom was getting cold.

and she's old and HAS a cold LOL but it was wonderful! Not a whole lot of people but lots of attention and more than a few way-ta-goes, thumbs up and horn honks.

We did get told to go get a job and cocksuckers but just hollered back have a nice day hehe.

This group has an OccupyFayetteville FB page so hopefully they'll announce when the next event is and we'll all have a chance to chat about where it goes from there.

Everyone very respectful, calm and focused. Police standing around on corners and passing by but no problems.

I'd hope the spirits of those who passed through there know we're trying to fight a good fight for all people.

Oh yea - took some pics too and used the "Privatize the profit, Socialize the risk. How is that a free market?" "We are the 99%" slogan on my sign. Winner and thanks goodness for DU for the great ideas!

[MFrohike]

46. Got a link for the page?

I was looking for one, but I think I'm a bit incompetent.

Nevermind, I found it. Facebook navigation is not my strong suit.

[nc4bo]

48. Glad you found it.

It's a tiny group but it's a start and it's something which is good.

[MFrohike]

49. Very true

I was out there this evening, but I wanted to make sure I would get future news.

[nc4bo]

51. Really? Did you see this sign?...

Me and my 80 year old mom were out there. She's holding my sign in the pic. We were on the Gillespie St. side.

BTW - I noticed on the Occupy Together MeetUp there's a October 15th date with a 10a.m. time but the address is wonky. Not sure where that is. Know anything? http://www.meetup.com/occupytogether/Fayetteville-NC/41...

[trumad]

13. So you telling me to move on?

Proud member of Move on for the last decade.

And who made you the fucking spokesman for OWS?

[marions ghost]

15. A Divider

not a Uniter...

[socialist_n_TN]

17. Nobody's answered the question I asked above

If the Ron Paulbots are welcomed, why isn't MoveOn?

[marions ghost]

18. I'm not buying it...

don't believe everything you see posted...ever heard of "divide & conquer"?

[Chan790]

34. You don't believe the Ron Paul people are trying to infiltrate and co-opt?

I can assure you that it's true...I've seen it with my own eyes. They swarm onto any channel they can find en-mass (check out individual FB pages of sympathetic orgs...like the various Anonymous pages), one of them asks if they're welcome in the movement, then the rest of the Ron Paul chorus of people who had not been participating in those channels to that point answers in loud affirmative. It gives the appearance of legitimacy of Ron Paul in OWS to passers-by and cows the people who oppose the co-opting into silence. This is the MO of the Paul People...they look for movements and protests to co-opt and turn into Ron Paul movements.

It's weird and cultlike.

[marions ghost]

38. we're talking about MoveOn...

The Paul people are so obvious, if they want to hang around in the name of "appearances"--who cares? Let them swell the numbers. Doesn't mean that they really get a platform in any meaningful way. I think the savvy OWS protestors are onto them.

This is a NON-partisan movement and those who want to co-opt it and attempt to take it over will be knocked back IMO.

[Generic Other]

47. I can verify that has happened

They even brag about it on their own FB page--Ron Paul Supporters Occupy America.
They mock the left and think they will lead us all in the right direction. Very condescending.

[socialist_n_TN]

52. Yep I saw their presence in the Nashville

group earlier this week. They're there. Undoubtedly there.

[we can do it]

16. +1

[LaPera]

19. Fuck off! - Usual ignorant BULLSHIT! Always great Cheers to MoveOn.org - true liberal/progressives

[Rex]

20. Wrong site, but nice try anyway.

This is DU.

[Carolina]

21. K&R, K&R, K&R

to keep this at the top of the thread chain

[marions ghost]

22. classic

movin' on....

[Citizen Worker]

23. Beware OWS MoveOn is a democratic party front group that will try and co-opt your movement. Please

don't let that happen.

[Starry Messenger]

24. OWS is going to need mass support to stay sustainable.

My commie ass is going to a Moveon jobs thing this Saturday. I can understand not wanting to get the DLC types to lay an egg in the nest, but any and all progressives are definitely needed to really bring pressure to bear. It's good for the powers that be to see oceans of people from their high-story windows.

[marions ghost]

26. +++++

[Luminous Animal]

31. I think it would be great if MoveOn MEMBERS want to join the OWS movement.

I think it would be great if MoveOn, the organization would endorse OWS but looking at their homepage, it gives the appearance that they are as an organization part of OWS. They offer no links to any of the people who have been organizing and supporting this from the get go. No link to http://nycga.cc /. No link to www.occupywallst.org . No link to www.occupytogether.org . No link to http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com / In fact, they totally co-opted that last one by starting their own We Are The 99% http://civic.moveon.org/occupy/other99 /... which, it my opinion is bullshit.

[TBF]

25. I'm a member of Move On ... but I do see it as a very clearly democratic/progressive organization -

so I can understand how their presence would be troublesome. If folks like Move On are visible then others (indies and repubs) may stay away. Does that help the 99% movement?

It was supposed to be an inclusive way to bring together everyone and put pressure on the elites - if democratic party organizers take it over then it just turns into an election thing.

I dunno, I have real mixed feelings about this because I don't think either party is doing much of anything for working folks right now.

[marions ghost]

27. -- -- -- -- --

[TBF]

32. Because???

It's too late for me to edit my original post so I'll add this here:

Edited to add: wanted to stress the mixed feelings part of this. While I don't want it to turn into a democratic party event, all followers of move on should clearly be welcomed. Does that make it more clear? I wouldn't want the organization of the republican party, or ku klux klan or any other identifiable political group to be setting their tables up either. Dunno ... just my thoughts on keeping it inclusive for working folks who might not ordinarily vote for democrats.

I don't know if that helps, for partisan folks they will hate it just as much as I guess. Just wanted to make my thoughts more clear.

[marions ghost]

35. more clear, yes

OK MoveOn members welcome, but don't turn it into a Democratic party rally. OK, agreed. I don't think that's a huge problem. But Occupy America has to be inclusive of liberals of all stripes. Agreed that everyone should come together as one under the non-partisan banner, but acknowledging liberal roots.

And I don't think we need to worry about "folks who might not ordinarily vote for Democrats" being turned off ...it's kinda like if the Tea Party worried about not attracting liberals....

Anybody who is so disenchanted with the R party as to even consider turning up at Occupy rally IS NOT going to be turned off by the associations. They are going to be stronger than that.

[mitchtv]

28. says who?

nt

[Luminous Animal]

30. I agree. OWS eschews partisan politics. Moveon has strong bonds with the Democratic Party.

It is clearly that the Democratic Party establishment is trying to co-op the OWS movement.

[Erose999]

40. The group I'm really worried about is the fucking Oathkeepers. I'm surprised Westboro hasn't crashed

the party as well.

[nc4bo]

44. MoveOn in Fayetteville was extremely low keyed and unobstrusive in fact,

I had to ask where the "MoveOn dude was" Rofl!

He was not there to start any ish. He was there to stand with OWS!

[Skip Intro]

50. I'll rec this just on Move On's actions in the last Dem primaries. They lost me then and I haven't

been back to their site since. Don't need 'em. Don't care what they have to say.