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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 12:38 PM
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A testament to the WPA: how the US saved its people by employing them.
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 01:05 PM by MrsBrady
A testament to the WPA: how the US saved its people by employing them.
A personal story from my mother's side of the family.

The WPA helped my family survive during the dustbowl and depression days.

My great-grandfather and great-grandmother had a claim in the future Oklahoma panhandle.
'No Man's Land' it was called, as it was not yet incorporated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_Panhandle
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/N/NO001.html

They had come at ages 19 and 18 by covered wagon (He came from Alabama, and they met
while he was in southeast Oklahoma. They married and continued on west: circa 1901)
His siblings and his parents followed. They had their own claims nearby.
They were tough as nails, ambitious, and were determined to work their land. They had been the first to grow wheat in that area, that he could recall. They even helped move a town in Oklahoma to Texas so it could be near the Santa Fe Railway when it came through in 1918.

By the time of the depression and dust bowl, they were approaching middle age, and had 3 older teen sons (two others died in infancy) and 5 younger girls. I know that at least two of the sons and the oldest girl had to go 'to town' to work for room and board in their teens, during high school, because there was not enough to feed everyone. The dirt would blow so much it would cover the fences like snow in the winter. They would live in the basement when the dust would blow, and have to dig the dirt out of the house after the storm. My grandmother said that sometimes all they had for dinner was a boiled egg. Cattle, culled by order of the government, were shot right on the land. Not enough water, grass or feed. Somehow my great-grandmother knew how to keep chickens alive and well despite drought, dust, and wind.

To say times were hard was an understatement.

My grandmother said, "Papa was not a quitter. During the dust storms he stayed on his land. When the crop failed or was hailed out, he plowed and planted again." And also, "If not for the ingenuity and genius of my mother, we would have never survived."

But I don't know if they could have survived it all without the WPA.
Because of the WPA, they had some income that they would not have had. It put food on the table
in desperate times. It allowed them to stay in the home and farm they built themselves, when so many had to abandon their efforts, their land.

Employed by the WPA, he helped clear the land and build the road for Hwy 3 across the Oklahoma panhandle.
He planted trees along Hwy 83 into Texas that are STILL there.
He built rest areas/park areas in Texas and Oklahoma that are STILL there. Permanent outdoor toilets were built for school buildings. Formal entrances were built for graveyards and parks. My great-grandmother was employed to make dresses and under clothes for the US government for needy families. At one point, they were even given food and clothing from this same effort.

There is no reason we cannot have some type of modern WPA.
We need high-speed rail. We need to shore up and modernize what we already have.
I drive across a bridge in Fort Worth that was built by the WPA. I often wonder how often it is tended to.
There are already good ideas thought out. We could employ people to feed the hungry.
There's so much we could do.

The WPA saved families, saved futures.
We could do that again...save families and futures.

on edit: Please post stories, if you desire, about how the WPA helped your family - if you have that in your family history.
also edited to repair web links and spelling errors.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 12:42 PM
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1. now we have the military, whose primary function is to protect corporate war profits nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 12:50 PM
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2. This depression is as engineered as the first one was -- and FDR gave us the solutions ... !!
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 12:56 PM
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4. my great-grandfather
loved, loved FDR. It's easy to see why.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 12:53 PM
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3. And the CCC gave a lot of young people the opportunity to travel and work...
Many young people from Appalachia traveled to places like Colorado and Montana to work for the CCC... It wasn't much but it helped them to survive.
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 01:00 PM
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5. yes --
eating is a good thing.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 02:51 PM
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6. I am wondering if part of her story is not referring to the CCCamps
which built the roads, planted the trees, created the parks etc. Her grandmother making clothes was part of the WPA. WPA also was responsible for those beautiful murals we see in many courthouses and many copied the records in those courthouses into the forms we use today when we are trying to search our genealogies. I think both works programs were in her story.

As a archivist in our local museum I had a section of photos that pictured CCCamp workers. Each summer at least one or two would stop to look at the old pictures and talk about those days. They saved many a family and young person who had no place else to go.

I appreciate this story because the dust storms in Oklahoma would have made it doubly hard to survive. She is right - they were tough.
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 03:28 PM
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7. grandma never mentioned
CCC, but it could have been. She was little then, and may not have known the difference.

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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:03 PM
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10. Exactly. Your story is so beautiful and inspiring. It really does not
matter if it was one or both but it was there for them when they needed it. Most of us are aware of the stories of the Oakies who left Oklahoma but there are few stories about the ones who stayed and survived. Thank you.
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:19 PM
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13. thank you...
In 1947 my great-grandmother died suddenly.

Apparently, the now grown children were worried about him being alone out
there with all that work to do.
He seemed none too keen on the discussion of selling his land. He's quoted as saying,
"I have given my life and blood for this land, and here I will stay."

In the 1960's he did finally sell it, once an old man, as everyone had moved off and moved on.
He offered the land to my grandmother (the youngest) and my grandfather (his son-in-law), but
my grandfather didn't want to farm. He knew how much hard work it was and just didn't
want an uncertain living. He had farm-handed as a teen during the depression and dust bowl.
I think that put him off, along with the oil and gas jobs that were available by then.

It breaks my heart, though, to know that that land was given up.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:33 PM
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18. Yes, all those generations into that land and now it is gone. My family
has only 5 acres left of our original farm. We own it jointly and my brother lives on it. From Delaware to Minnesota we still call it home. And we all help to improve it. Going down there soon to redo the wiring in the house to bring it into the 21st Century.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:22 PM
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16. My grandfather was in the CCCs
His father was very poor during the depression. It did not help that his father was a disabled coal miner.
After WWII, he spent his career with the Soil Conservation Service.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:16 PM
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21. And the writers who documented stories (recorded history) from people of the time
that contributed to our historical knowledge of our nation. Theater and art, also.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:22 PM
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23. Heres a great online Watch: PBS "American Experience: The CCA/Roosevelt"
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/ccc/

The Civilian Conservation Corps
Part of the collection: The 1930s

One of the most popular New Deal programs, the CCC put three million young men to work in camps across America during the height of the Great Depression.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/ccc/
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 03:30 PM
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8. Didn't Obama say that the government can't create jobs or something like that?
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 03:59 PM
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9. did he?
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 03:59 PM by MrsBrady
I think in the context that he was making that remark, was when he was pushing or signing...I'll have to go back and look...
a small business bill thing.

But considering that he promoted the stimulus, and is looking for a second one with this JOBS bill.
I don't think he believes that.
He's very good at using the right wing talking points against them.

I would prefer a WPA thing, but the people are going to have to push for it. I support OWS.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:18 PM
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12. "I’ve never believed that government’s role is to create jobs or prosperity."
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:07 PM
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19. ..... except for the rich -- !!!
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:21 PM
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14. I also recall him taking a shot at the New Deal with the "solutions of our grandfathers" remark.
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 04:21 PM by Edweird
I've been looking for it but haven't found it yet...
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:28 PM
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17. “governments do not create jobs” in an op-ed cowritten with David Cameron
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:18 PM
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22. Obama's reading of American History seems to be a little lacking...sadly...but,
then his generation is removed from Rural America of the early 20th Century. He does remember some of Iowa from his Grandparents but, it might not be happy memories that were passed on by them.

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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:09 PM
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25. his perspective might had been different had
he grown up in the midwest.

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FrodosPet Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:11 PM
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11. Some background on the WPA
There is a good archive site featuring some original documents from and about the WPA and CCC

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http://www.gjenvick.com/WPA-WorksProgressAdministration/index.html

•What is the WPA?
The Works Progress Administration is a Federal agency which cooperates with State and local governments in carrying out needed public improvements and services, in order to provide work and wages for the needy able-bodied unemployed. The local governments plan and sponsor the projects, and the WPA helps to operate them.

•Why does the Federal Government give work to the able-bodied needy unemployed, instead of direct relief?
This policy was adopted in the conviction that work is better than direct relief—because work preserves the skills and self-respect of the workers and makes them fit to return to private industry; because our communities are greatly in need of the public projects on which the unemployed are set to work; and because work projects bring a valuable return to the communities and the Nation for money expended in assisting the unemployed.

•What is a WPA project?
It is any useful public work on which the Federal Government and some tax-supported public body have agreed to cooperate, through the WPA, in order to provide work for the needy unemployed. The project is a community or State enterprise which the WPA helps to carry out; the completed project belongs to the community or State.

•Are WPA projects planned locally or federally?
Ninety-five percent of all WPA expenditures are for projects planned by such local sponsors as city councils, county commissioners, and boards of education, or State agencies. The arts projects of the WPA are chief among the few planned by the Federal Government.

•What is the sponsor of a WPA project?
The sponsor of a WPA project is a State, municipal, or other goverrnental agency which proposes that the WPA assist it in carrying out a local public improvement or public service. Plans and specifications for the work are submitted by the sponsor. The proposed work must be one which the sponsor has legal authority to do. Since the WPA must use its funds largely for wages, the sponsor must agree to provide most of the materials and equipment necessary. The sponsor's share of the total cost of a project is correspondingly larger when the local improvement desired by the com­munity requires large quantities of material or equipment.

•On what basis does the WPA approve a proposed project?
There must be needy unemployed workers in the locality with the skills required for doing the work. The project must be on public property. * It must be socially useful. It must not be a part of the regular work of the sponsoring agency, such as should be wholly financed out of its own regular funds. And most of the Federal funds requested must be used for the wages of project workers.

•Who is eligible for WPA employment?
Any American citizen, or other person owing allegiance to the United States, who is 18 years of age or older, able-bodied, unemployed, and currently certified as in need.

•How many members of a family are eligible for WPA employment?
Only one, usually the head of the family. The mother or a grown son or daughter is regarded as the economic head of the family if the father is unable to work.

•What is the average WPA wage?
The average monthly WPA wage is about $52.50. (See next question.)

•Do all WPA workers receive the same monthly wage?
No. The monthly earnings vary according to the degree of skill required by the job, and also according to the region and size of community in which the work is done. In large Northern cities the wages run from $55 a month for unskilled work to $94 for professional and technical work, while in Northern rural districts the range is from $40 to $60. In the South the range in large cities is from $40 to $79, in rural districts from $26 to $48.

•Do WPA workers get the same wages as workers in private industry?
They are paid at approximately the same rate per hour, but their monthly earnings are below the general level of private industry. (See Questions 26 and 28.)

•Are any special arrangements made to help WPA workers get jobs in private industry?
The U. S. Employment Service, with which all WPA workers are registered, seeks to keep in-formed of the needs of private employers, and makes constant efforts to place WPA workers in private jobs.

•Is a WPA worker required to take a job in private industry if one is open to him?
Yes, if it is work that he can do and if the employer offers the prevailing local wage and reasonable working conditions.

•Can a WPA worker who has taken a private job get back on the WPA if he loses the job?
Yes. If he loses the job through no fault of his own, and is still in need, he is entitled to reemployment.

More info at the link
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:22 PM
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15. thanks for adding to the discussion n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:15 PM
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20. K&R...our local NPR did a great series about the WPA project and
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 08:24 PM by KoKo
the wonderful work they did which is still in use today. Built well by folks who needed a job...and took the time to do it correctly. Blue Ridge Parkway, theaters, Bronx River Parkway and Hutchinson River Parkway in NY and the Merritt Parkway in Connnecticut...STILL IN USE TODAY.... Amongst the notable.


I found the link to the CCA Project from PBS/American Experience. Good Watch.

The Civilian Conservation Corps
Part of the collection: The 1930s

One of the most popular New Deal programs, the CCC put three million young men to work in camps across America during the height of the Great Depression.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/ccc/
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:13 PM
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26. thanks
:)
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:29 PM
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24. And From PBS 'American Experience':
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:14 PM
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27. thank you n/t
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