Ron Paul: Libertarian? Only When It’s Convenient

[Donnachaidh]

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/08/ron-paul-libertarian-only-when-its-convenient/

Dear Liberals, Can we please stop treating Ron Paul as if he were something other than a conservative douchebag? Seriously. Aside from being a frothing racist, he’s a complete fraud.

“GASP?! Ron Paul?! But he wants to legalize drugs and end the wars! Ron Paul 2012!”

Shut up, you idiot. Do you have any idea how stupid you sound?

You know how liberals look at single issue voters on the Right and sadly shake their head in pity at their myopia? Everything else is acceptable to them as long as they can vote against abortion or illegal immigration. Well guess what? Liberals who support Ron Paul are just as delusional!

More at the link --

[Terry_M]

1. A lot of mean hateful gibberish full of generalization and one relatively weak

actual argument to try to get the point across hidden in between.
Terrible.
Good arguments are not made by saying Shut up you idiot before even getting to actual content.

[hlthe2b]

3. So you are a staunch Paulite, eh?

[krabigirl]

8. lol

[MADem]

5. Did you read past the straw man introduction? That wasn't "hateful gibberish" it was a cogent

argument--it helps to click the link, that is where the "meat" is:

Got that? Because Christian Conservatives are uncomfortable with birth control, we should pay special attention to their needs and wants, at the expense of people who are comfortable with it. There’s that famous FREEDOM! he’s always talking about. Freedom to heed a religious minority, that is.

Mr. Paul carefully couches his stance as the FREEDOM! to choose to not have your taxes goes towards what you consider a morally repugnant activity but, as with all Libertarian stances, where do you draw the line? I’m uncomfortable with my taxes paying for Republican Congresspeople, do I get a say in that? How about my taxes paying for all the Red States that can’t support themselves (that would be most of them)? I, personally hate Stop signs (they’re red, you see), do I HAVE to pay for them?

So, once again, Mr. FREEDOM! is perfectly fine allowing the one group dictate how others may or may not live their lives. Christian? Then you can impose your morals on me! Racist? Then you can deny me my rights! Gay? No marriage for you!

It’s a fine point that conservatives cannot seem to grasp: The liberty to deny people their rights is not liberty at all, it’s a tyranny of the majority. You would think a “Libertarian” would understand that.



That's a GOOD argument, right there. Not "hateful gibberish." Unless you're blinded by the far, far right.

[Terry_M]

6. Yes, though it was difficult

to keep reading something that comes right out telling you you're an idiot for having any respect for the person that is the subject of the article, I did read it.
And do not see how his view on this one issue makes him not a libertarian. While saying we should be... careful... with spending money on things that a large chunk of the population finds morally objectionable, he also opposes the death penalty, which also a large chunk of us (on the opposite end of the political spectrum) find morally objectionable and as such don't believe the government should be doing.
I don't see how through the above stance, he is not a politician with consistent and honest views. (However many of those views we happen to disagree with).

[MADem]

11. I don't see how anyone who has the slightest "respect" for human rights can

have any "respect" for that racist, sexist asshole. If you respect him, you overlook his disgraceful disregard for more than half the human race.

I'm sorry, but "respecting" Ron Paul, and his hateful views, says a lot about a person--and what it says is not good.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. That doesn't mean it's useful to you in any way, though.

[Ohio Joe]

10. Ron Paul is a racist douchebag... Among other things

Like a real shitty foreign policy plan... And a moronic economic plan... And an anti-science stance... oh, and he wants women to be second class citizens controlled by men. Fuck him, I'm glad the douchebag will be gone from public office soon.

[hlthe2b]

2. Libertarian my ass. He supports total governmental control over women

Every disgustingly anti-woman's health issue, Ron Paul, the supposed physician, is all in favor of enacting. Not just the strictest abortion bills, but those that put women's very health at risk. How can any libertarian advocate for 50 % of the population to basically have no rights? Detestable

[MADem]

4. Well, that makes sense--in his view of the Constitution, only men are created equal.

Women? They're property.

He's an asshole. He's also a walking, talking example of how medical school must not be THAT hard. Any kid who tells themself, "Gee, I don't know if I could make it through med school" should take a hard look at that nitwit. If he can do it, many can.

[krabigirl]

7. ehhh. He's been consistent on most things, agree with them or not.

Obama is an utter failure, flip-flopper, and hypocrite. Only consistency about him is how often he sells out. However, I am pro-choice, so I have issues with Paul, but honestly the wars, civil liberties, etc are pretty damn important, too.

[hlthe2b]

12. It is his stance on the wars that originallly drew so many in...

Which, is certainly understandable--especially during the Bush* years when he was one of the exceedingly rare RETHUGS speaking against the party line. But his civil rights stances are rather hypocritical, given his views on women's rights.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

9. I don't understand how he and his son got thru med school.

The son does not understand preventive care. He was raving about "spending money on sick people, where does it stop?"

They want to get all up in your uterus.

I have a B.A. in biology. I knew I was not smart enough to go to medical school (and had some medical issues that caused extreme fatigue), and my IQ when I was six years old was 145 on a Stanford-Binet, which is three standard deviations above normal. That makes me one out of a thousand people.

I think that to be a competent doctor you probably need to have an IQ that is one more SD higher, like 160.

I have an excellent memory, but there is no way in hell I could pass medical school.

But then I've known lawyers who seemed to be complete idiots, and law school is quite difficult.

[hlthe2b]

13. The irony is that next to the son, Paul the elder looks fairly intelligent...

Though his convoluted logic rather shows the limits of any intellect. Paul, the lesser, is really frightening, when one thinks he was allowed to treat patients--all kinds of patients, prior to his ophthalmology residency. :shrug:

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[saras]

15. ALL libertarians abandon the philosophy when faced with a hostile mob.

[Honeycombe8]

16. Ron Paul is the ultimate "you're on your own" philosophical spouter.

He is the worst kind: A "you're on your own" espouser, wrapped up in a friendly, folksy, likeable countenance.

I like his persona. He IS friendly, likeable, and folksy. But he is definitely a pure "you're on your own" libertarian who does not believe in government, no Dept of Education, no Dept of Transportation, no nothing. You...are...on...your...own.

In other words: "I got mine. Now you go worry about yours and leave me alone. I'll take the use of everything the government has done that allowed me to become rich, and I'll put it in my mattress and try to prevent others from benefitting from the government as I did."