There is NO WAY the Evangelicals will accept Romney (check out this FR thread!)

[K8-EEE]

Think of it they will have a choice between a "Muslin!!1!" and a "HERETIC !1!!!" This thread is so funny because the arguments always boil down to kind of DON'T MESS WITH MY MAGIC BOOK THAT GOD GAVE ME ME ME AND THOSE LIKE ME ME ME! ONLY! And the RW Christians are always so mean and nasty about it -- all the left wing Christians I know are way more respectful about such things.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2787143/posts#comment

lds in their articles of faith say the lds accept the Bible as far as it is translated correctly.
]lds jesus - created
Biblical Jesus - eternal
lds jesus - not sufficient for salvation IE after all we can do
Biblical Jesus - sufficient
lds jesus - paid the price in the garden
Biblical Jesus - paid the price on the Cross
lds jesus - needs secret ceremonies and rituals and temples
Biblical Jesus - tore the temple vale from top to bottom, no more secrets
lds jesus - brother of satan
Biblical Jesus - not the brother of satan
lds - can become god
lds multiple gods
lds - celestial marriage
So O when you say jesus is your savior, which jesus do you speak of?
The Biblical Jesus or the lds jesus, they are not the same.
If you are speaking of the Biblical Jesus then why are you lds?

:crazy:

[bullwinkle428]

1. Holy shit...is it possible that Newt could end up as the last man standing?

You heard it here first! :rofl:

[Historic NY]

3. stop it stop it.........it burns.

[Aerows]

2. Mitt Romney will never be president

And yes, he is mistrusted by Southern conservatives because he's Mormon. I don't have any prejudices against Mormons, but Southern conservatives - they don't like anyone who isn't a conservative white Christian male. That's just how they are.

[K8-EEE]

4. IMO, the GOP have NO WINNERS. And they know it.

They are hoping Romney will do less damange down-ticket than some freak like Cain or Perry.

[Aerows]

7. I've got to agree with you

They don't have anyone that doesn't have so many skeletons in their closets that they can safely open their mouths without a bone flying out of it, or isn't crushed under the weight of their own political baggage.

[pipi_k]

29. Almost makes me believe

that they don't really want to win in 2012.

Just like it didn't look like they really wanted to win in 2008.

McCain???

PALIN????


It could only have been more obvious if they had nominated Howdy Doody.

[bluestateguy]

11. I know a good many liberal Christians who also think Mormonism is a cult

and they have used those words to me exactly: cult. And these were liberal Christian, Touched by an Angel, mainline people.

Secularists also have a generally low opinion of Mormonism as well, like even lower than their view of other organized religions.

[provis99]

21. Mormonism is a cult.

Just like every other religion is a cult.

[SoCalDem]

14. The ONLY chance he ever had at becoming president

was if he had become a "moderate" dem after becoming gov of Massachusetts// He's a fish out of water..

[Aerows]

27. You know, that's probably true

However, he made that "corporations are people" comment, and that would have likely sunk his ship with the liberal base, so I don't think he could have won on that ticket, either. He changes direction every time the wind blows, and he's obvious about it. Once a politician is obviously so wishy-washy, it doesn't endear them with voters.

[K8-EEE]

5. "lds teach that their god had physical sex with Mary IE created!"

ZOMG!!! WHAT? Jesus created by PHYSICAL SEX?? Like all humans? HOW CAN SUCH A PERSON BE PRESIDENT?

:rofl:

[canetoad]

17. More to the point

Why was she using Internet Explorer.

[msongs]

6. liberals n progressives have nobody but obama & fundies will be stuck w/romney lol nt

[Kurovski]

8. It's a given

It's all such ridiculous stuff to begin with, even for the really, really nice folks.

Would they really be such awful, unhappy people if they didn't have all that made up crap about--oh my god--all that crazy shit, crazier than the usual--to cleave to?

But, well, we're only at the tail end of the wool-over-the-eyes era.

[spin]

9. I totally agree ...

My parents converted to Mormonism. I consider myself a Christian but few fundamentalist Christians would agree. I'm a Christian because it's the local religion and to me real Christians believe that basically you treat others as you hope they would treat you. All the rest is merely explanation.

Of course, my parents tried to convert me but they failed because I like coffee, tea, beer and I smoke. Admittedly if I followed the Mormon health guidelines I might live longer but with our current healthcare system as I approached the end the doctors would simply empty my bank account and leave my children nothing to inherit. I would rather simply die quickly and not spend three months in intensive care in a coma like my uncle. After the money ran out, the hospital kicked him out and he died at his niece's home under her care and she had to learn how to basically be a nurse doing all sorts of very complicated procedures. His niece was a saint in my opinion.

But the Mormons that I have met seem to be good people. However fundamentalist Christians often have a far different view and feel that Mormonism is a cult and is the work of the Devil.

There is no way in hell that such people will vote for a Mormon. They would probably believe that Romney is the antichrist.

[K8-EEE]

18. They have a lot of these fights on FR and the Christians are always so mean

and sarcastic and snarky!! Seriously if I was looking for a religion (I MOST DEF AM NOT) based on my impressions with these FR threads I would go LDS before "Christian" although I haven't seen leftie Christians being such assholes.

[spin]

34. One problem that I have often seen among fundamentalists ...

is that they are very judgmental.

I've had some tell me that I was headed to hell unless I believed in their particular brand of Christianity. Others who objected to my lifestyle or my language also have passed judgment on me.

I usually point out to them that judging others is above their pay grade.

[bluestateguy]

10. Not only that

If he makes it out of the primaries, I could see the Obama people using the Mormon issue as a wedge, especially if it makes just some of the evangelicals stay at home.

[JI7]

12. but he has a chance of getting more independents than some of the crazies

[jwirr]

13. That is exactly why most Christians will not accept a Mormon as

their leader and I think this will be an individual choice regardless what party leaders think. Not to mention romney is an arrogant prick. I thought it was hard to watch booooshe - romney is worse.

[Skip Intro]

15. They will blindly vote for the nominee with the "R" by his name, as they have for years. nt

[FrenchieCat]

16. And they will supress the rest of the votes, wherever needed....

Either by manipulating enough Democrats to stay home by using the MSM
or by simply not allowing people to vote,
and then by how they count the votes.
That's how they win election; they cheat.
Romney doesn't have to be loved, he just has to look halfway sane.

[K8-EEE]

19. Some will definitely but

The really count on ALL of these evangelicals turning out GOP, they've invested in that for years....I don't think "some" is enough. Even if 3/4 "hold their nose" and vote for Romney he will lose. They need 100% of the wingnuts!

[Skip Intro]

20. I disagree, what kind of turnout can we expect in 2012 from the left and our allies?

Obama carried FL and NC last time around. NC! And VA! It is a dream, in my opinion, that Dems and the left will see that kind of voting support this time around. NC? VA? FL? I'm a realist, K8. Repubs vote in lockstep unison. We're more like feral cats.

[YellowCosmicSun]

22. and they will still lose

[Solomon]

25. Lol. And if rightwingers read DU they would

say no way are democrats voting for Obama.

[Are_grits_groceries]

23. I have said from the beginning that Romney

will not be the nominee. The evangelicals are the core that the candidates cater to. They are also the foot soldiers and the most enthusiastic. I speak from first hand experience because I live in SC and have been around them for years.

Romney has the added burden because of his record as Governor of MA. They do not forget or forgive.

They have always regarded Mormonism as a cult or worse. They aren't fond of Catholics either. If Romney does somehow get the nomination, watch out! They will rebel and go their own way because their Gawd tells them to. Huckabee, Palin, and others could slip in to a 3rd party. Their religious ideology guides them, and it is rigid. Casting a vote for Romney would be tantamount to betraying their faith.

[jberryhill]

26. Would you say the same about Sen. Harry Reid?

[Are_grits_groceries]

28. Different base entirely.

I think he would be handicapped more by his persona and leadership in a Dem primary. In the general election, the same applies, but it would still give people pause. I'm not sure how the overall electorate views the LDS.

Unfortunately, the headlines about the LDS have been about Warren Jeffs and the ranch standoff. I don't think a lot of people have a clue about the beliefs of mainstream Mormons.

I still think it wouldn't be a help in his election. At best, it would be a wash.

[no_hypocrisy]

24. If Romney gets the nomination, he should borrow a page from JFK's

1960 campaign where he said he was an American who happened to be Catholic and religion would have no part of his policy.

Oh wait, that wouldn't work b/c the fundamentalists WANT THEIR RELIGION promoted and enacted as national policy . . . .

[Major Nikon]

30. All of the evangelicals I know are exclusivists

Everyone except them are going straight to hell.

[Tsiyu]

31. No, the evangelicals feel they are voting for Gawd hisself

They will vote for whomever their preacher/screechers select. And that selection will be made based on three issues only: teh gay, abortion and evolution.

These preachers have been fleecing their sheep so long now, they can't support anyone who isn't a fundy or the sheep will lose faith.

They do not hold their noses and vote R. But Rove knows how to work 'em. Which is how we got SonofBush*

[nichomachus]

32. The corporations determine who the president is -- and right now

it looks like Obama is their man.

If there is anything Wall Street hates it's uncertainty. The minute there is a whiff of uncertainty in the air, the market tanks.

The GOP field right now is filled from top to bottom with loose cannons. They're all nuts. The only one who could even begin to appeal to them is Mittens. He's got that drive to make money at any cost with a slash-and-burn approach. HOWEVER, he's also got that Mormon thing going on. The leaders of the LDS would love to have him at the helm -- and they have an agenda. which isn't necessarily Wall Street's agenda.

Obama, on the other hand, has been very very good to Wall Street and is a reliable ally for them. I'm predicting that because of that he will be the choice of the corporatocracy and the corporatist media will see that he wins.

[dembotoz]

33. we should use this to our advantage

a lot of rethugs love to be bigots

if romney gets the nom we should encourage them to do so.