American citizens are being executed everyday in America.

[Hutzpa]

Where was the outrage when Troy Davies was executed? An innocent man.

Where is the outrage for innocent Americans on death row?

Where is the outrage when Rick Perry made the statement about executing Americans in Texas and the audience applauded?

So tell me again why we are showing outrage on an American who is guilty of plotting the killings of Americans?

[MineralMan]

1. To be fair, there was much discussion about that execution,

and capital punishment is always an issue on DU. You may have missed those discussions.

[Hutzpa]

4. I probably did

besides Troy Davies there are others whose death have gone unnoticed and are innocent who are also
being put down without any fuss, yet a man that works on terrorizing a nation is being shown sympathy
just because he is/was an American, my argument is, shouldn't we show the same remorse to those
innocent people on death row as they are Americans too.

[tblue]

8. Of course.

A lot of us feel that way. I know I do.

[gratuitous]

2. My god, you're absolutely right!

Troy Davis was executed with nary a peep from the anti-death penalty crowd.

Face + Palm

[tblue]

7. Where were you when we were glued to it all last week?

There were tons of posts about Troy Davis. I am not over it by a long shot. Just trying to figure out what to do about it, where exactly to focus my energy. I could throw up when I think about it. A lot of us were on it minute by minute that awful, gruesome day.

[polmaven]

3. There was a TON

of outrage for all of those situations! Did you somehow miss it?

[ljm2002]

5. There was plenty of outrage in the situations you mention...

...the essential difference is between an execution after due process (however flawed, which is why many of us are totally against the death penalty in any case), vs no process at all but just summary judgment and execution by drone.

[tblue]

6. Did he have a trial?

If not, it was a summary execution. If we are a country that does that kind of thing then, heck, let's just admit that parts of our Constitution mean squat and we stand for nothing.

I'm outraged about all of it.

[dixiegrrrrl]

9. right or wrong, your examples had a trial, a judge, a jury.

THAT is the difference.

[fishwax]

10. I remember a pretty fair amount of outrage at those things

[Hosnon]

11. "Where was the outrage when Troy Davis was executed?"

Seriously? The protests were international.

[bowens43]

12. he was proven guilty in a court of law?

really? I missed the trial.

btw there was PLENTY of rage here about each and everything you mentioned.

So i'll tell you again, we are outraged that the US government feels they are justified in MURDERING someone who not only hasn't been convicted but didn't have a trial.

If you're not outraged, you really don't understand the issue.

[TheKentuckian]

13. You might pop out of your safe room more often. I can't see how you could have missed the upset

It was a dominant theme on here.

Also, that due process thing is sooooo overrated, right? We only care about those that had trials, if you get popped by the state without one or even charges then no biggie.

[Hutzpa]

14. So in other words

It is cool for the state to pop you but not cool when it's the president of the United States protecting it's citizens.

We have governors gloating on killing americans too.

[EOTE]

15. No, it's not "cool" in either situation.

Both situations are deplorable. So my question to you is this: Why do you only support it when the president does it?

[Hutzpa]

18. The difference is the action

I am supporting the reason behind the presidents action which is to protect us (US citizen) from getting killed
by a known terrorist. If he can be captured without loosing another American life I will support it, but if an American
life is at stake then the best possible option is what I will support to prevent any more damage.

People do not say a pip (with the exceptions of pressure groups) but mainly people on this board do not challenge governors
of state that carry execution of american citizens even though there is enough evidence that they are innocent.

That is the difference.

[EOTE]

19. So it would be fine for someone in Iraq or Afghanistan to assassinate the president?

He is, after all, continuing an unjust war. Would it have been fine for someone in Iraq to assassinate Bush? Obama? I guarantee you that Obama and Bush are responsible for the deaths of a hell of a lot more Iraqis and Afghanis than Awlaki is responsible for in terms of Americans. So, surely in the interests of not being a hypocrite, you'd think those assassinations are OK, right?

[Hutzpa]

20. What war is he continuing?

The war in Iraq is over, forget what you read or what the media wants you to believe but the troops in Iraq are coming
and have been coming home.

With reference to Afghanistan the troops are there to prevent another attack on the home soil.

Also the president has not ordered the killings of any civilian in these two countries so I think your comparison is off.

[EOTE]

21. Both of them.

There have been a number of casualties in Iraq this year alone. Just because there are less than last year doesn't mean it's a just war. And Afghanistan is an unjust war as well, you are aware that Afghanistan offered to give up Bin Laden if he was to be tried in the World Court, right? So let's focus on Iraq. Would it have been OK for an Iraqi citizen to assassinate Bush or Obama for waging an unjust war? It doesn't matter if they ordered the killings of civilians or not, thousands of civilians have died due to that war. You seem really intent on not answering this question.

[TheKentuckian]

23. Nope. Neither is "cool" with me but it is apples and oranges.

[Puregonzo1188]

16. Excuse me? There were tons of outrage, on DU, and everywhere else about Troy Davis's

murder. Much more than al-Alwaki.

Seriously I don't know what planet you are on.

[provis99]

17. epic fail.

[AngkorWot]

22. "Where was the outrage when Davis was executed"

Too be fair, the people blubbering about the dead terrorist were also the ones blaming Obama for Davis's execution too.

[harun]

24. Fail

[JuniperLea]

27. "Fail" is so last millenium...

I'm sorry, but this late to the party outrage is really making people look silly. Honestly! Since when has the president or the FBI been held accountable for this shit?

I call bullshit on all the outrage. Quite frankly I'm disgusted by it. If people truly cared about it, there would have always been outrage! Oh, I see, it conveniently works within the "program."

I still think it is seriously weak... and seriously fucked up to start using this shit now!

If you haven't been screaming about it until now, you're a fucking poser and you should be ashamed of yourself.

[louslobbs]

25. You may not have been online when it was going on, but there was great outrage over the execution of

Mr. Davis here on DU and there always is when people believe that an innocent American is murdered by the state. You must have just missed it, but it was here.
Best,
Lou

[JuniperLea]

26. Thank you!

I'm sorry, but this late to the party outrage is really making people look silly. Honestly! Since when has the president or the FBI been held accountable for this shit?

I call bullshit on all the outrage. Quite frankly I'm disgusted by it. If people truly cared about it, there would have always been outrage! Oh, I see, it conveniently works within the "program."

I still think it is seriously weak... and seriously fucked up to start using this shit now!

If you haven't been screaming about it until now, you're a fucking poser and you should be ashamed of yourself.

[MadHound]

28. But wait, those Americans had due process,

They went to trial.

That is the difference between them and al-Awlaki.