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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:40 AM
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Libyan Revolution Week 32 part 3
Links to sites with updates: AJE Libya Live Blog AJE Twitter Dashboard The Guardian Reuters Telegraph feb17.info Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) Libya Alhurra archives and updates Benghazi Free Radio, in Arabic (may have translators present at times) Tribute FM (English broadcast from Benghazi) libyafeb17.com Libya, In the Spotlight (AJE)

Twitter links: Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE Ben Wedeman, with CNN tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli Brian Conley, reporter in Libya FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate LibyaFeb17.com twitter account ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate Sofyan Amry (arrived in Benghazi recently) KiloFoot (general Arab Spring news aggregation)

Useful links: feb17voices Current time in Libya Prayer times in Libya

Week 32 part 2 here.

The Oppressive Laws of Gaddafi's Libya
The government grants the right of association to official institutions by virtue of Law 71 of 1972, which regulates associational activity in Libya. Law 20 of 1991 on the Promotion of Freedom sanctions the death penalty for anyone whose continued existence would lead to the disintegration of Libyan society. The Code of Honor of March 1997 institutes a system of collective punishment for wrongdoing, whereby families, towns and municipalities are held responsible for the actions of individuals in their midst and are subject to punishment such as the dissolution of the local People's Congress or the denial of government services, including utilities, water, infrastructure projects. Associations engaging in political activity are illegal in Libya. Further, political activity is defined by Articles 2 and 3 of Law 71 of 1972 as any activity based on a political ideology contrary to the principles of the Al-Fateh Revolution of September 1, 1969. The Law on Publications, No. 76 of 1972, as modified by Law 120 of 1972 and Law 75 of 1973, govern the operation of the press, reserving all rights to publish.


This is what the Libyan freedom fighters are fighting against. Each and every one, when they went into this, knew that it was all or nothing, they had no choice but to fight. For their very survival.

Marching On in Libya, for the revolutionaries!


Amazigh cultural event and fundraising for the wounded in Tripoli's Martyrs' Square, thousands showed up to support the event.

Photo: Imesli n Tilelli


Day 222 September 27

UCLA kid back from Libya, has home movies
Chris Jeon, the UCLA student who turned up with Libyan rebel fighters last month, is back on campus. He sat for an interview on today's CBS Early Show and shared his personal video footage from his month with the rebels and reveals them to be fans of, yes, Justin Bieber
Libya plans to abolish state security courts
Libya's new rulers plan to abolish the state security courts used by Muammar Gaddafi to imprison political dissidents, the country's interim justice minister said on Monday.
In Romania, refugees from Libya find oasis of peace
Western Romania has turned into a harbour of peace for nearly 200 refugees who fled persecution, abuse or violence -- many in Libya -- and dream only of "living freely", once resettled in a western country.
Libyan anti-Gadhafi forces take over port in Sirte
"Among the reports emerging from Sirte are executions, hostage-taking and the calculated targeting of individuals, families, and communities within the city," NATO has said. The organization has also pointed to mercenaries being involved on the pro-Gadhafi side and civilians denied access to food, water and medical care.
Libyan rebels encounter fierce fighting and 'dirty tricks' from Gaddafi's troops
Suliman Abdul Mula was not surprised when he saw the white flag waved by a group of Muammar Gaddafi's soldiers caught between western air strikes and the rapid advance of Libya's rebels. "We saw they raised the white flag. We thought they no longer wanted to fight for Gaddafi. They are losing and no one in Libya wants to die for Gaddafi any more," said the 31-year-old. "But when we approached, they opened fire. It was a trick."
We had to free our country even at the cost of our own lives
Much has been said about the freedom fighters during the Libya uprising. But what could be referred to as freedom flights also played a major role in the revolution. Capt. Ali Sanusi risked his life several times to fly his BAe 146 into the battlefield. Fiona Galea Debono caught up with the heroic commercial pilot on the runway of the Malta International Airshow.
ZAWIYAH - BATTLE SCARS AND MARTYRS STORIES - 26/09/2011
Upon leaving Tripoli for the first time in 7 months, i visited Zawiyah to pay tribute to their efforts of resistance and to reflect on the many lives lost and the many wounds to heal.
Libya envoy wants African states to prevent Gaddafi sabotage
The international community must put pressure on African countries still backing Muammar Gaddafi to ensure the deposed Libyan leader and his family do not sabotage the country's fight for freedom


Day 223 September 28

Libya fighting rages for Gaddafi hometown
At least seven NTC fighters killed in continuing push for Sirte, while offensive in Bani Walid stalls.
Anti-Gaddafi forces capture Sirte's port
Anti-Gaddafi forces overran Sirte's port on Tuesday, scoring a strategic victory in the battle for control of the ousted Libyan leader's birthplace, as instense fighting carried on inside the city.
Libyan official delivers $16 million to southern city
Libya's transitional government delivered 20 million dinars ($16 million) Tuesday to this remote southern city beset by fighters loyal to Moammar Gadhafi, hoping to bolster support for revolutionary forces.
Gaddafi used you and then he ran away
The graffiti on a wall next to a looted grocery store neatly sums up the plight of a small Libyan town whose entire population fled in fear of reprisals by the rebel forces now in power.
NTC fighters killed in Sirte battle
More than 10 fighters of Libya's new rulers were killed on Tuesday in fierce street fighting with forces of Muammar Gaddafi in his hometown of Sirte, a commander told AFP.
NTC fighters appeal for more NATO help after loyalist rocket barrage kills a top commander
The AFP news agency reports that anti-Gaddafi fighters Wednesday appealed for help from NATO after being blasted by rockets fired by loyalist troops in Bani Walid, one of the ousted Libyan leader's last bastions.
Gaddafi hometown a hazardous prize for Libya's NTC
For months the Libyan fighters who toppled Muammar Gaddafi both craved and dreaded the battle for his hometown Sirte. Nearly two weeks of costly fighting have made it clear why.
'Mass Grave' Found Close To Libyan Hotel
The new Libyan authorities claim to have discovered another "mass grave" in Tripoli - close to a hotel at which Western journalists had been forced to stay.
NTC forces find hidden helicopter at Sirte port
In Tripoli, a senior NTC officer said his fighters, on entering Sirte port two days ago, had found and seized a helicopter hidden under camouflage that appeared to have been made ready for a swift departure.
Libyan fighters capture Sirte airport
Forces loyal to interim government say they are in control of the airport in one of last bastions of Gaddafi support
Gadhafi nephew had house of gold but didnt pay maids
Two housemaids managed to escape from Libya with the help of a Filipino labor attach last week, but two other Filipino househelp have chosen to remain, hoping they would still be paid.
Libya ready to probe possible other Lockerbie suspects
Libya's interim justice minister Mohammed al-Alagi said on Wednesday he was ready to work with Scottish authorities to probe the possible involvement of others in the Lockerbie bombing apart from the sole Libyan convicted for the attack.


Day 224 September 29

Extraordinary argument captured during fresh Sirte assault
Anti-Gaddafi fighters have renewed the battle to capture Sirte with one soldier attempting to use psychological warfare to undermine forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi.
NTC fighters have captured Sirte's port, airport and air base
"We are also controlling north of the city now and our fighters advanced some kilometers from the east side of Sirte. "We won't lose this battle; it's a matter of days."
Libya issues summons for Qaddafis ex-PM
Libya has issued a summons for Muammar Qaddafis former Prime Minister Baghdadi al-Mahmudi, who fled the country for neighboring Tunisia, the interim justice minister said Wednesday.
Girlfriend of Gadafy's son investigated over alleged trafficking of 'escorts'
Talitha van Zon (39), a Dutch former Playboy model who is under investigation in the Netherlands over people-trafficking claims
Libyan Rebels Press Toward Sirte in Hunt for Gadhafi, Sons
Libyan rebel forces pressed again for control of Moammar Gadhafi's hometown of Sirte, which is still held by Gadhafi loyalists. Neil Connery of International Television News reports.
NTC fighters take Sirte airport, plan to hold positions there
Fighters supporting Libya's National Transitional Council say they they are now in control of the airport in Sirte, Muammar Gaddafi's hometown.
Kadafi foes keep up assault on stronghold
Revolutionary forces loyal to Libya's provisional government pressed their assault Wednesday on Moammar Kadafi's hometown, pounding loyalist positions with rockets and mortar fire as plumes of smoke rose from the besieged city.
Behind Qatar's Intervention In Libya
Among the many countries that supported Libya's rebels in their fight to unseat Muammar al-Qaddafi, Qatar was a particularly enthusiastic partner. The Arab emirate of just 1.6 million people, rich in oil and gas, was the first Arab country to recognize the rebel government, the Transitional National Council. It sold Libyan oil on behalf of the rebels to avoid sanctions and supplied them with gas, diesel, and millions of dollars in aid. And Al Jazeera, the satellite broadcaster based in Doha, covered the struggle of the Libyan rebels in even greater detail and depth than it has the Arab world's other revolutionary movements.



Click here for updated map. The size of the circles show population, the color represents control, red for FFs, green for tyrants. Blue circle indicates siege, blue solid indicates incursion.


A topic on the women of the revolution, dispels myths about the treatment of women in Benghazi.

Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context
The Battle of Benghazi. BBC Panorama on Libya Part 1, and Part 2. Video of the convoy sent to take Benghazi, taken from a dead soliders cell phone (shows how massive the operation was). Arab Awakening: Libya: Through the Fire. Tea of Freedom Song. Libya: Part 2 - The Uprising Benghazi - Backbone of the Libyan revolution


March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".


As of this week the National Trasitional Council has been formally recognized by 94 countries. France (March 10), Qatar (March 28), Maldives (April 3), Italy (April 4), Kuwait (April 13), The Gambia (April 22), Jordan (April 24), Sengal (April 28), The United Kingdom (June 4), Spain (June 8), Australia (June 9), UAE (June 12), Germany (June 13), Canada (June 14), Panama (June 14), Austria (June 18), Latvia (June 20), Denmark (June 22), Bulgaria (June 28), Croatia (June 28), Turkey (July 3), Poland (July 9), Netherlands (July 13), Belgium (July 13), Luxembourg (July 13), United States (July 15), Japan (July 15), Albania (July 18), Slovenia (July 20), Montenegro (July 21), Portugal (July 28), Botswana (August 11), Gabon (August 12), Tunisia (August 20), New Zealand (August 22), Egypt (August 22), Jordan (August 22), Morocco (August 22), Colombia (August 22), Oman (August 23), Bahrain (August 23), Nigeria, Malta (August 23), Iraq (August 23), Greece (August 23), Norway (August 23), Lebanon (August 23), South Korea (August 24), Sudan (August 24), Hungary (August 24), Chad (August 24), Ethipia (August 24), Burkina Faso (August 24), Colombia (August 25), Serbia (August 25), Bosnia andHerzegovina (August 25), Mongolia (August 25), Djibouti (August 25), Cote d'Ivoire (August 25), Macedonia (August 25), Cyprus (August 26), Malaysia (August 26), Rwanda (August 26), Estonia (August 26), Benin (August 26), Niger (August 27), Togo (August 27), Guinea (August 28), Czech Republic (August 29), Philippines (August 30), Slovakia (August 30), Russia (September 1), Finland (September 1), Romania (September 1), Ukraine (September 1), Azerbaijan (September 2), Botswana (September 2), Kazakhstan (September 5), Central African Republic (September 5), Comoros (September 6), Seychelles (September 7), Ghana (September 9), China (September 12), Afghanistan (September 13), Vietnam (September 14), Chile(September 16), Costa Rica (September 16), India (September 17), Iran (September 18), South Africa (September 20), Algeria (September 22), Sweden (September 24), Kenya (September 24).

"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

The first free public opinion poll ever conducted in Libya reveals clues to Eastern Libyan sentiments
* 98 percent of the respondents do not support the division of Libya as a part of the political solution for the current conflict with the Gaddafi regime. Around 95 percent also don't see any role for Gaddafi or his sons in a transitional period, and think it is impossible to implement any political reform in Libya if Gaddafi or one of his sons stays in power

* Around 96 percent of those polled, believe that the 17th of February revolution can consolidate the national unity of Libya and support the model of a democratic Libya based on a constitution which respects human rights

* Al-Qaeda has not played any role in the 17th of February revolution, say 94 percent of the Eastern Libyans, and 91 percent thinks it's impossible for Al-Qaeda to play any political role in the new Libya

* The National Transitional Council is seen by 92 percent of those surveyed as "expressing the views and wishes of Libyans for change"


This is equivalent to 17% the entire population of Libya, doing the numbers very conservatively.


A Legal War: The United Nations Participation Act and Libya
The above link is to an overview of why Obama's implementation of the NFZ and R2P is perfectly legal under the law. I will not post it entirely here, however, all objections come down to the misinformed position that Obama, by using forces in Libya, was invoking Article 43 of the United Nations. This is wrong. Obama invoked Article 42, which does not require congressional approval to implement. Proof of this is that Article 43 has never been used.

It goes like this: The US law (Title 22, Chap. 7, Subchap. XIV 287d) grants the President the right to invoke UN Article 42 without authorization, the War Powers Act (Title 50, Chap. 33 1541) grants the President permission to act without authorization under "specific statutory authorization" which, by definition, is what 287d does. 1543 of the War Powers Act requires the President to report to Congress, which he did. One can argue all day and night about the legality of the War Powers Act, doesn't change the fact that under the law as it is written, the President acted within the law.






Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

Arab Awakening: Libya: Through the Fire is a documentary about Mo's last days, please watch it.

Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help.

Mo leaves behind a wife and a newborn child she had this to say about the No Fly Zone and R2P UN resolution:

We started this in a pure way, but he turned it bloody. Thousands of our men, women, and children have died. We just wanted our freedom, that's all we wanted, we didn't want power. Before, we could not do a single thing if it was not the way he wanted it. All we wanted was freedom. All we wanted was to be free. We have paid with our blood, with our families, with our men, and we're not going to give up. We are still going to do that no matter what it takes, but we need help. We want to do this ourselves, but we don't have the weapons, the technology, the things we need. I don't want anyone to say that Libya got liberated by anybody else. If NATO didn't start moving when they did, I assure you, I assure you, half of Benghazi if not more would have been killed. If they stop helping us, we are going to be all killed because he has no mercy anymore.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:40 AM
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1. Libyan Revolution Day 224 updates below, current time in Libya, 8:40am Thursday, September 29
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:42 AM
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2. Libya's tanker fleet seen operational in a month
Libya's tanker fleet seen operational in a month
Libya's state owned oil tanker fleet is set to be back in business within a month, with some vessels ready for trading in the next two weeks after months at anchorage due to war, the country's port authority chief told Reuters on Tuesday.

Libya's interim rulers are stepping up efforts to get the economy and Africa's previously third biggest oil producer back on track after former leader Muammar Gaddafi was toppled last month. The country's seaborne trade is seen as vital for resumption of trading activity.

State-owned shipping firm General National Maritime Transport Company (GNMTC) has been under pressure in recent months due to a combination of sanctions and a freeze on assets belonging to the Gaddafi family, with several tankers that were managed by an international company laid-up off Malta and Singapore.

Ramadan Boumadyan, chairman of the designated committee at Libya's Ports & Maritime Transport Authority, said the interim government was working on getting the 24-strong fleet operational again.


As ellisonz pointed out, wealth for the Libyan people, not Gaddafi and his sons. :)
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:46 AM
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3. K&R




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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:48 AM
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4. The bloody battle for Sabha--that wasn't
The bloody battle for Sabha--that wasn't
We were told to be awake and ready to move at 4 a.m. The National Transitional Council fighters we were with were planning to launch a dawn assault on the Saharan city of Sabha.

All predictions indicated it would be one of the bloodiest battles yet. NTC officials said loyalist forces would use weaponry they hadn't used before. They didn't go into detail but it sounded ominous. Western intelligence sources told CNN the fighters in Sabha still loyal to Libya's ousted leader, Moammar Gadhafi, had heavy artillery and would likely use it.

...

An hour later, after an uneventful drive though the desert, we arrived on the outskirts of Sabha. I could see some smoke on the horizon, but could hear no gunfire. Small clumps of people by the side of the road were cheering and waving. Driving further into the city, the crowds grew larger. There was gunfire but it was all in the air, the ubiquitous celebratory gunfire. Up above, a man tore down the green flag from the city's main water tower and sent it fluttering to the ground.

...

The huge, bloody battle for Sabha wasn't to be. No one was disappointed.


Those predictions of this being the 'bloodiest battle yet' are quite familiar.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:49 AM
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5. K&R! Thanks for keeping us up to speed...
Excellent work! :thumbsup:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 02:09 AM
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6. A word of caution
Edited on Thu Sep-29-11 02:10 AM by autorank
This is an excellent resource. Kudos.

I was impressed early on with the revolution against Gaddafi and assumed that it was in the spirit of the Tunisian and
Egyptian uprisings. As things developed, it was less clear that the rebels offered a viable alternative. Assuming that
Gaddafi ran an oppressive regime does not lead to the validity of the opposite assumption, that the rebels offer a true
democratic alternative. The rebels propagated the notion that black Africans were serving as mercenaries.

Libya's spectacular revolution has been disgraced by racism

It is also apparent that the military commanders in charge of the rebel forces are former members of a Libyan group
that allied with al Qaeda in Iraq and elsewhere. They were imprisoned and supposedly reformed by Gaddafi. Now they
run the show for the military.

Libyan Rebel Army Led by Rehabilitated al Qaeda Linked Terrorists

The rebels won some early victories, which they were unable to hold. It is only with NATO dragging them across the
finish line that their victory was consolidated. This is the case in Sirte. Without NATO bombings, there would have
been little progress, based on the sequence of events.

It's entirely possible for a regime with serious problems to replace one that displayed problems of an equal or
greater magnitude. The enemy of a dictator is not necessarily the friend of freedom and dignity. There's more
to see as events unfold. But the racism and the ex al Qaeda allies in charge of the rebel military are not encouraging.

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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 04:10 AM
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7. Amnesty: Libyas NTC must protect evidence at Abu Salim mass grave site
Libyas NTC must protect evidence at Abu Salim mass grave site
Protests by families of the Abu Salim massacre victims sparked Libya's uprising

26 September 2011

A mass grave uncovered near Libyas Abu Salim Prison that could be linked to the 1996 mass killing of prisoners should be secured immediately to protect evidence and ensure accurate identification of the bodies, Amnesty International said today.

Libyas National Transitional Council said yesterday that the mass grave had been discovered, and that it would be requesting foreign assistance to carry out exhumations and DNA identification.

Media reports showed relatives of victims and other people unearthing clothing and bone fragments while wandering the site.

These families have been waiting for over 15 years to know the truth and obtain justice, said Claudio Cordone, Senior Director at Amnesty International. The NTC and experts must approach the evidence and remains on this site with the utmost care.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/libya%E2%80%...

Should have been posting more of these all along - I would like to see any case made that Amnesty International is not an absolutely reputable source.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 04:20 AM
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8. Interpol issued an arrest notice on Thursday for fallen Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's son Saadi
World police body Interpol issued an arrest notice on Thursday for fallen Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's son Saadi for alleged crimes during his time as head of the country's football federation.

The new Libyan authorities requested the notice against Saadi, believed to be in Niger, "for allegedly misappropriating properties through force and armed intimidation when he headed the Libyan Football Federation," Interpol said in a statement.

Saadi, 38, was last seen in Niger and the red notice calls particularly on countries in the region to help locate and arrest him "with a view to returning him to Libya where an arrest warrant for him has been issued," Interpol said.

"As the commander of military units allegedly involved in the repression of demonstrations by civilians during Libya's uprising, Saadi Gaddafi is also subject to a United Nations travel ban and assets freeze," it said.

Interpol said it was the first Red Notice issued at the request of the National Transitional Council, with previous such notices issued for Gaddafi himself and other members of his family at the request of the International Criminal Court.

Niger's government said on September 16 that it would not send Saadi back to Libya, but could hand him over to another jurisdiction.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Interpol-issues-arrest-no...
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 05:21 AM
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10. Interpol
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 04:51 AM
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9. Gaddafi MAY have been located...


:rofl:


Sorry, I couldn't help myself. My bad. :spank:

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 05:39 AM
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11. Libyan women signal time to end domestic violence
PETER CAVE: In Libya, women are being recognised for the vital role they played in the revolution.

They were in hospitals helping the wounded, they formed support groups for broken families, and they fed men on the frontline.

But prior to the revolution domestic violence, harassment as well as street violence had become a part of Libyan culture under the Gaddafi regime.

Now a newly formed women's rights organisation is trying to change that.

Connie Agius reports.

CONNIE AGIUS: For many Libyan women the uprising this year was a chance for them to claim a new, stronger role in their society.

Traditional taboos were set aside because the movement was desperate for volunteers.

Now that most of the conflict is over some Libyan women are working to make sure those gains are not lost.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2011/s3327382....

I bet some of this was due to the stressful environment, and the lack of equality for women.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 07:03 PM
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35. Libya was ranked extremely low for womens rights, in the bottom ten or so.
Here's an example.

Which is why it's extremely disturbing to see women supporting Gaddafi's regime, and being against the revolutionaries, even going so far as to slander the revolutionaries as evil sharia law burka enforcing freaks. Mind boggling.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 05:46 AM
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12. Sirte tweets
Edited on Thu Sep-29-11 05:47 AM by tabatha
FromJoanne Joanne
#SIRTE 3 #NTC fighters were killed in Friendly Fire Wednesday when they were shelled by tank positioned behind them #Libya

PeterClifford1 Peter Clifford
#Libya Fierce fighting continues at #Sirte where snipers kill 2 NTC commanders. tinyurl.com/PCOLibya

Sirte_Feb17 Sirtawi
News coming in from #Sirte that the son of late AbdelSalam AlZadma has executed his own uncle Ali AlZadma under mysterious circumstances.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 05:55 AM
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13. Normality returning to Libya as schools reopen
Posted on September 29, 2011 by KLN1
By: Michel Cousins

At Al-Shaheed Yusif Burahil School in downtown Benghazi the cries of excited boys playing football in the school playground can be heard in the streets outside. It is a sound heard the world over. But not for months in Libya.

http://feb17.info/news/normality-returning-to-libya-as-... /

Apart from some Quranic verses, Al-Hounis office walls are almost bare. A picture of Qaddafi previously had a prominent place. So far nothing has replaced it. In fact pictures of Qaddafi used to hang everywhere. We had to have a picture of Qaddafi in every room, sometimes more than one. No longer. The brooding omnipresence has been exorcised from the building and not just from classroom walls.

He used to be mentioned in every book we had to use, the headmaster said, even in the geography books! All mention of him is now obliterated, literally blanked out from the textbooks. That is a bit of a problem in the history classes because it was almost all about Qaddafi. There was little about Libyas past prior to him seizing power in 1969 and absolutely nothing about independence and the period of the monarchy. That will have to wait until new textbooks are issued next year. But the teachers are telling students about the revolution, the headmaster enthused.

Al-Houni says it has had a profound effect on the school. The atmosphere has changed, he says. The teachers are more giving, more dedicated. They are determined to give their best.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 05:59 AM
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14. 4 GOP senators travel to post-Gadhafi Libya
WASHINGTON (AP) Four Republican senators traveled to Libya on Thursday to meet with the nation's new rulers, the highest-profile American delegation to visit the country since the ouster of longtime leader Moammar Gadhafi.

The four lawmakers John McCain of Arizona, Mark Kirk of Illinois, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Marco Rubio of Florida planned to meet with members of the National Transitional Council, which is now governing Libya after the rebels forced Gadhafi from power. Gadhafi's whereabouts remain unknown, but the new leaders suspect he is hiding in the southern desert of the North African nation.

The senators, whose brief visit was largely shrouded in secrecy, also planned to tour Martyrs' Square and hold a news conference with reporters. They traveled from Malta, where they met with Prime Minister Lawrence Gonzi on Wednesday.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5il_Ya...

Bleecch.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 06:41 AM
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18. They will get a polite but chilly reception.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 06:03 AM
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15. Video: The Libyan Pilots who Defied Gaddafi
Edited on Thu Sep-29-11 06:04 AM by tabatha
CNNs Phil Black speaks to two jet pilots who defied Gadhafi and are now considered heroes of Libyas revolution

http://feb17.info/media/video-the-libyan-pilots-who-def... /

One of the pilots is a black person.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 06:12 AM
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16. Video: Inside Libya: Rebel Womans Saga
CNNs Jill Dougherty in Tripoli reports on a woman who risked her life to help anti-Gadhafi forces.

http://feb17.info/media/video-inside-libya-rebel-womans...
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 06:23 AM
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17. We're not interested in Al-Qaeda, we're interested in education
Edited on Thu Sep-29-11 06:25 AM by tabatha
Like most children elsewhere in Libya, those at Al-Shaheed Yusif Burahil School will grow up in a very different Libya to the one their parents knew, a Libya free of dictatorship and where everyone is valued. Almost every Libyan you meet tells you how important education is for the country. Libyans want to catch up with the world, Zuhair Al-Barasi of Libya Al-Hurra said, not just economically but politically as well. We must have an educated people if democracy is to work properly.

However, journalists, particularly Western journalists, have been fixated about the possible rise of Islamists demanding Libya become an Islamic state with Shariah law or whether Al-Qaeda is going to get a foot in the door. It is an idea that Libyans do not even begin to relate to. They are extremely devout but very tolerant Muslims. We're not interested in Al-Qaeda, we're interested in education, said a colleague of Omar Mukhtars son, Haji Muhammad, when Arab News visited him the week before. The insinuation was evident. The two do not mix; Al-Qaeda equals ignorance.

The owner of a caf near the school where we had gone after the visit had similar views. With education, we will go forward. And there was a confident smile on his face when he said it.

http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article508547.ece

To use Iterate's expression for all the alarmists, go pound on sand, and then beat your chests with a Tarzan yell.



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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 07:00 AM
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19. Reuters: Tunisia to hold Al-Baghdadi Ali al-Mahmoudi pending extradition to Libya
49 min 56 sec ago - Libya

Tunisian prosecutors have received a request from the new Libyan authorities to extradite Muammar Gaddafi's former prime minister, Al-Baghdadi Ali al-Mahmoudi, and are therefore keeping him in jail, Mahmoudi's lawyer said on Thursday.

"The prosecutor-general has decided to keep Mahmoudi in prison after receiving a request to extradite him to Libya," his lawyer, Mabrouk Korchid, told Reuters.

A Tunisian court sentenced Mahmoudi to six months in jail for entering the country illegally, but an appeal court later overturned this and ordered his release.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:03 AM
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21. Former Libyan PM starts hunger strike in Tunisia
From AJE's Live Blog:


Reuters reports: Muammar Gaddafi's former prime minister, Al-Baghdadi Ali al-Mahmoudi, has started a hunger strike in a prison in Tunisa to protest a request for his extradition from Libya's new rulers, his lawyer said on Thursday.

Tunisian prosecutors say they have received the request from the National Transitional Council (NTC) and are therefore keeping him in prison despite him winning an appeal against a 6-month jail sentence for crossing into Tunisia illegally.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-sep-29-2011-1...


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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:57 PM
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36. Well too bad he hitched his wagon to a thug.
:nopity:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 08:56 AM
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20. NTC forces capture Sirte airport, Reuters journalists at the scene are reporting nt
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:17 AM
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22. UN Human Rights Council recommends Libya's suspension from the council be lifted
From AJE Live Blog:


AFP reports: The UN Human Rights Council on Thursday adopted a resolution recommending the lifting of Libya's suspension from the rights body.

The Human Rights Council "recommends that the General Assembly lift the suspension of the rights of membership of Libya in the Human Rights Council at its current session," the resolution said.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-sep-29-2011-1...


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:34 AM
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23. Finding My Map, by Nelly Furtado
(Posted at HuffPo)


Posted: 9/29/11 08:30 AM ET


Last January, I was invited to Africa. Somehow, I knew it was time to come home.


While the people, the places left such strong impressions, the hope I left Africa with was more profound than anything else.

...


I learned how one country's political realities can affect all the nations sharing Africa. I learned about Moammar Gadhafi as a leader and dictator. I felt so ignorant but, at the same time, enlightened. My thoughts immediately went back to a concert I performed as part of a celebration thrown by someone described as an "oil sheik" in Italy in 2007. That night, I met a "son of Gadhafi" who had helped pay for the celebration. I didn't know much about Libya then; in Kenya, I began to learn more.


A month or two after I returned from Kenya, as the Libyan civil war heated up, I found myself, BlackBerry in hand at 3 a.m., unable to sleep: In Libya, people who rightly believed the cost of freedom was worth it because the benefits were tenfold, were being killed; people were living things I couldn't truly fathom, but I could feel the weight of them inside my heart. At that moment, in an act of solidarity, I sent a tweet about my intentions to return money I felt wasn't truly mine.


I decided to give the $1 million (what I was paid to cover all expenses for the 2007 concert) to Free The Children, but wanted a plan that would include the people of Libya.
I decided on a sustainable program, rather than immediate aid, inspired by the work I had seen in action with Free The Children in Kenya. I wanted to support women's rights in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) regions of Libya, Egypt, Tunisia and Gaza. I wanted to help educate girls so they might have a place in the new democratic regimes in MENA post-revolution -- a revolution many women helped spark.

...


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nelly-furtado/finding-my-...




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:43 AM
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24. McCain at Tripoli press conf: 'I have dreamt of returning to the liberated capital of Iraq'
Edited on Thu Sep-29-11 09:53 AM by pinboy3niner
Matthew Weaver and Haroon Siddique post at The Guardian's Live Blog:


The former Republican presidential nominee John McCain has been speaking in Tripoli, where he is part of the highest-profile US delegation to visit Libya since Gaddafi was ousted.

McCain and the three other Republican senators - Mark Kirk, Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio - accompanying him, met the head of the National Transitional Council, Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, and other high-ranking officials from the interim government.

The men then gave a press conference. McCain began with a slip of the tongue saying "I have dreamt of returning to the liberated capital of Iraq", and corrected himself after the mistake was pointed out by one of his fellow-senators.

He thanked the US's French and UK allies in the Nato operation and told the press conference:

"This is Libya's revolution not ours but the US will stand with you."

...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/s...



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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 05:17 PM
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34. McCain is really showing his senility.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 10:07 AM
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25. Syrian regime supporters pelt US envoy with eggs

By BASSEM MROUE - Associated Press | AP 7 mins ago


BEIRUT (AP) Supporters of President Bashar Assad stoned the convoy of the U.S. ambassador to Syria as he arrived for a meeting with a leading opposition figure on Thursday, then pelted him with eggs and tomatoes and tried to break into the building while he was inside, the opposition activist and a U.S. official said. The American envoy was trapped in the office for three hours by the angry mob outside.

Ambassador Robert Ford, an outspoken critic of Assad's crackdown on the 6-month-old anti-government uprising, was unharmed and eventually escorted out by Syrian security forces, who showed up more than an hour after the attack began. He was meeting with Hassan Abdul-Azim, who heads the outlawed Arab Socialist Democratic Union party.
...

http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-regime-supporters-pelt-us-...


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 10:27 AM
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26. Libya to honour deals with foreign firms - central bank



Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:13pm GMT

Committed to all deals not tainted by corruption

Says won't impose (foreign exchange) controls

Commercial banks to issue credits to importers


By Emad Omar


BENGHAZI, Libya, Sept 29 (Reuters) - Libya is committed to honouring all deals with foreign firms unless they reveal evidence of corruption, and the country will not impose foreign exchange controls, its central bank governor said on Thursday.

Libya's banking system was functioning again following last month's fall of the capital Tripoli in the uprising against former ruler Muammar Gaddafi, and the central bank had sent instructions to commercial banks to start issuing letters of credit to importers, Qassem Azoz said.

Currently, commercial banks in the country are run by steering committees under the supervision of the central bank.

"By year-end all commercial banks should have elected boards in place," Azoz said.

...


"The priority would be to provide foreign exchange required for treating those injured during the uprising," he said, adding that the second priority was food supplies and drugs.

...


http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFL5E7KT3MJ20...




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 10:40 AM
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27. Libya's NTC retakes airport in Gaddafi home town



Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:25pm GMT


NTC forces recapture Sirte airport

Former Libyan PM goes on hunger strike in Tunis jail

Civilians caught in crossfire in sirte


By Joseph Logan


SIRTE, Libya, Sept 29 (Reuters) - Libyan interim government forces recaptured the airport in Sirte, Muammar Gaddafi's birthplace, on Thursday, amid mounting concern for civilians trapped inside the besieged city.

National Transitional Council (NTC) fighters took full control of Sirte airport, Reuters witnesses said. They had taken it two weeks ago, but then lost it again. Sirte's pro-Gaddafi defenders have used sniper, rocket and artillery fire to fight off two full-scale NTC assaults on the city in the past week.

Each side has accused the other of endangering civilians.

"They're shelling constantly. There's indiscriminate fire within individual neighbourhoods and from one area to another," Hassan, a resident who escaped the city, told Reuters.

...


Fighting on Sirte's eastern and western approaches was less intense on Thursday than on previous days, but the NTC said it had cleared a route between the two fronts, allowing its forces to link up -- a strategic boost along with retaking the airport.

...


http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFL5E7KT3G920...




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 10:49 AM
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28. Battles rage for control of Kadhafi hometown

By Jay Deshmukh | AFP News 21 minutes ago


Moamer Kadhafi diehards fought pitched battles Thursday with combatants loyal to Libya's new rulers for control of the ousted despot's birthplace Sirte, with the heaviest fighting at the port.

...


Forces of the National Transitional Council had been forced to retreat during ferocious fighting on the eastern edge of Sirte that raged through the night, their commanders said.

But after a brief lull, they returned to the fray in the early afternoon, an AFP reporter said, with the two sides shelling each other and trading heavy machinegun fire around the port as well as near the Mahari Hotel.

The firefight intensified, with NTC tanks firing barrage after barrage of shells towards loyalist positions and pro-Kadhafi snipers firing on the NTC fighters from rooftops, the reporter said.

NTC military chiefs said their forces remained in control of the hotel and the port, which they overran on Tuesday, but that the situation was fluid.

...


http://sg.news.yahoo.com/anti-kadhafi-fighters-capture-...




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 11:37 AM
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29. NATO airstrikes conducted Wednesday, September 28

Key Hits 28 SEPTEMBER:


In the vicinity of Sirte: 1 ammunition / vehicle storage facility, 1 staging and firing location, 1 command and control node and staging area, 2 ammunition and missile facilities, 1 tank.


...


International Humanitarian Assistance Movements as recorded by NATO


Total of Humanitarian Movements**: 1532 (air, ground, maritime)


Ships delivering Humanitarian Assistance 28 SEPTEMBER: 1


Aircrafts delivering Humanitarian Assistance 28 SEPTEMBER: 37


**Some humanitarian movements cover several days.


http://www.nato.int/nato_static/assets/pdf/pdf_2011_09/...




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:08 PM
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30. Gaddafi spokesman Moussa Ibrahim reported captured outside Sirte
From AJE's Live Blog:


Muammar Ghaddafi's spokesman Mussa Ibrahim was captured on Thursday outside of the former Libyan strongman's hometown of Sirte, National Transitional Council's field commanders told AFP.

"Misrata fighters contacted us and gave us the information that Mussa Ibrahim has been captured," said Mustafa bin Dardef, of the NTC's Zintan Brigade.

Another commander, Mohammed al-Marimi, said: "Mussa Ibrahim was captured while driving outside Sirte by fighters from Misrata."

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-sep-29-2011-2...


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:50 PM
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31. Gaddafi's Spokesman 'Captured In Sirte'--Sky News
Reportedly now confirmed by an NTC official:

http://news.sky.com/home/article/16079781

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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 04:27 AM
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37. I wonder if...
...even that will be enough to shut him up.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 02:15 PM
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32. Jibril says he will not be part of new transitional government

AFP reports: Libya's interim prime minister Mahmud Jibril said Thursday that he will not be a part of the new government, the formation of which has been postponed until the end of the country's conflict.

Asked at a news conference in Tripoli about the timetable for the government's announcement, Jibril said: "I hope that soon we will free Sirte and Bani Walid to begin negotiations on the formation of the transitional government, of which I will not be a part."

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-sep-29-2011-2...


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 02:30 PM
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33. Sirte_Feb17 : Ali Tareq Al-Jidda, Mutasim Gaddafi's right hand, was captured today in #Sirte

Sirte_Feb17 : Ali Tareq Al-Jidda', Mutasim Gaddafi's right hand, was captured today in #Sirte. #FreeSirte #Feb17 #Libya
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