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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 04:49 PM
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Outside Magazine's best towns to live in list: (Some surprises)
These towns are the finest places you'd ever want to call home, from a Midwestern mountain-biking hub, to a Seattle-area hang-gliding mecca, to, um, Boulder. (We know, shocker.)

Reader's Choice for Best Town Ever: Chattanooga, Tennessee
Portland, Oregon
Issaquah, Washington
Boulder, Colorado
Missoula, Montana
Charleston, South Carolina
Wilmington, North Carolina
Santa Fe, New Mexico
Durango, Colorado
Madison, Wisconsin
Traverse City, Michigan
Tucson, Arizona
Flagstaff, Arizona
Ashland, Oregon
Chico, California
Portland, Maine
Hardwick, Vermont
Burlington, Vermont
Ithaca, New York

Hey, I got a kick out of this. It's gotta be the first time that my town has ever made a list of this kind.
http://www.outsideonline.com/adventure-travel/best-town...

No town holds Vermonts locavore credentials quite so dear as Hardwick, a small (pop. 3,200) former granite-mining town northeast of Burlington. Starting a few years back, the place basically reinvented itself as one large co-op, with vibrant community-agriculture programs, a year-round farmers market (no small accomplishment in northern Vermont), and a program that rents kitchen space to local food producers. It also serves as the gateway to the wild, woolly Northeast Kingdom: from downtown, youre just 20 minutes from skiing in Stowe, fly-fishing near Johnson, and mountain biking in East Burke.












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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 04:52 PM
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1. Lived years in both Durango, CO and Flagstaff, AZ
They're both awesome if you can afford the high COL and don't need to support yourself with an actual job. :-( Durango in particular has a lot of employment opportunities in the minimum-wage service industry and multi-thousands-per-month rents.

Perhaps someone should make a list of "Best Towns To Live In If You Haven't Yet Won The Powerball".
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 09:05 PM
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37. I miss Flag.

In the 1980s I rented a 2 bed house near NAU for $350 on South O'Leary.

Wow. I just found it on google maps. The brown house on the left hasn't changed much. Near school and great view of peaks.

Mountain biking. Coffee and veggie slices at Macy's. Pizza at Alpine. All you can eat spaghetti dinners at Cafe in Distress. Good times!



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Tikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 04:55 PM
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2. Ha...I just listened to the NPR program on Hardwick, VT earlier today and...
here it is on this list. I bet it is beautiful and such a smart place.
I wish I could do the cold weather, I could visit in Summer, though.


Tikki
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 04:58 PM
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3. do visit. It's gorgeous here in summer. lovely lakes and it rarely gets really hot
My brother called me to tell me about the program but I haven't heard it yet. Hardwick is a very funky place but I love it. It's a real community- but that's true of all of Vermont. Still, we're doing some very neat stuff here.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 05:12 PM
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5. I'm listening to Ben Hewitt now. I think he's saying some remarkably profound
things.

the link:

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/
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Broderick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 04:59 PM
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4. Madison WI should ought be on top
What a great city.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 05:17 PM
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7. Great city - I lived there as a kid
And they had a great public school system, at least it was great in the late 50s, early 60s. But MAN OH MAN the snow and the cold. And then there was the heat and extreme humidity in the summer. If the weather would just ease up a bit, I think I'd vote it on top, too.
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Broderick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 05:18 PM
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9. not to mention the birds
Edited on Fri Sep-16-11 05:18 PM by Broderick
disguised as mosquitoes.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 05:14 PM
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6. we're #2! we're #2!

But don't tell anyone. We've been trying to keep it to ourselves for quite sometime now.

It rains a LOT in the Pacific Northwest. And the economy sucks.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 05:17 PM
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8. I've never heard of Issaquah before
but then you've probably never heard of Hardwick.
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 08:32 PM
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35. Used to work in Issaquah, quite the commute but worth it!:) n/t
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 05:18 PM
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10. Portland is a good town but, OMG, the crazy people and (gasp)...the hipsters!
The hipsters aren't so bad. I mean, compared to the crazy people. The town is beautiful but if I stay there too long I go into pedel-pushers, studded-belt, esoteric t-shirt, Betty Page-haircut toxic shock.

PB
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 05:20 PM
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12. makes me want to visit.
Betty Page-haircut toxic shock?

:rofl:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 05:48 PM
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17. I like Portland,
but you're right, it does have a vibe. :)
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 06:16 PM
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27. I loved living in Portland 25-ish yrs ago, on the peninsula.
Edited on Fri Sep-16-11 06:19 PM by eShirl
What I miss most is the cool sea air.
The peninsula is where to be if you're going to live there.


edit: wait a minute... you guys are talking about the other Portland on the list, aren't you?

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 06:21 PM
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29. Which part of Portland did you end up in?
Next time, try the Japanese Garden :rofl:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 05:18 PM
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11. I wouldn't trade any of those places for Anchorage,
but maybe they were just talking about the Lower 48.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 05:20 PM
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13. So you've visited them all?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 05:35 PM
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15. Not all, but several.
Edited on Fri Sep-16-11 05:45 PM by Blue_In_AK
And I wasn't meaning to denigrate your town, by any means, if that's how you took it. Congratulations to you!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 05:54 PM
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19. nah, I didn't take it that way. In any case, Anchorage is a real city
and offers a lot more than a tiny town like mine.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 06:02 PM
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20. We almost came up to Vermont to visit a couple of years ago,
but other things got in the way. From what I've seen in pictures and travelogues, it looks really beautiful up there, and I've got to say that you've got us TOTALLY beat when it comes to senators. :)
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 05:21 PM
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14. How is Anchorage? Is it a nice place to live? I've always been curious.
A friend of mine spent some time in Sitka (sp?) but I don't think her impressions would be representative of the whole state. Something about a toe in whiskey. Anyway, one would expect it would be really conservative? What's the vibe like?

PB
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 05:44 PM
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16. I suppose it's not everyone's cup of tea,
Edited on Fri Sep-16-11 05:51 PM by Blue_In_AK
given the winters, but I really like it for the scenery, for the trails (200 miles of trails within the city of Anchorage), and the parks. There are many hiking and camping opportunities nearby, world-class skiing just 35 miles south of here (Alyeska Ski Resort), amazing fishing opportunities, Mt. McKinley just up the road. Wildlife right here in town, especially our urban moose, which we love. In the summer you can play around the clock since it never gets completely dark. (Winter is another story, of course, but we have a lot of fun things to do in the winter, as well -- lots of winter festivals and parties.)

While we currently have a conservative jackass mayor, we've had several Democratic mayors in the past, and our assembly is currently fairly evenly split beteen liberals and conservatives. Anchorage (unlike Wasilla) is a diverse city of many nationalities. Anchorage School District is currently a 50-50 minority/majority district with almost 100 languages spoken. The school district makes a great effort to accommodate English-challenged students.

Of course, we have problems like any city, but I do like it here. I've been here since 1975 after living in Ohio, Colorado, Texas, Oregon and California and will probably die here.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 05:48 PM
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18. Portland, Oregon suffers pollution.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 06:12 PM
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23. Yes. But not to the extent that many other large cities do.
If I had to live in a large city, Portland would be my first choice.

I'd still have access to plenty of green, open space.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 06:13 PM
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24. Oregon is uber expensive, too. I looked up cost of housing...out of reach. nt
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 06:19 PM
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28. No sales taxes, property taxed instead.
Count how much you spend each year on sales taxes, then add that to your housing budget if you move to Oregon.
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Still Blue in PDX Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 08:51 PM
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36. Thank you -- I feel much better now! nt
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 06:06 PM
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21. Ithaca--beautiful place, and crazy-rabid-far-left too
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 06:12 PM
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22. Obviously a "best places" ilst for PWM (people with money). Most of those
places are pretty pricey, starting with housing, state income taxes, health care, etc.

I couldn't afford most of them, unless I'd made wages up in that area, also (the wages in those areas are higher, too, I guess).
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 06:13 PM
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25. well, that sure ain't true of Hardwick. Hard Scrabble town is the descriptive
most often employed, and it's accurate. In other words, this is a poor place.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 07:01 PM
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33. Mean income was $30-31k on the ones I Googled
That was for one person. That can still be a lot, living off retirement though. I wish tehre were places that cost next to nothing, but were still nice. It could be done if people were to try.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 06:15 PM
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26. Not one of them is from Florida.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 06:33 PM
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30. CHICO, of all the places in CA?
:rofl:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 06:34 PM
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31. Oh, my god, I didn't notice that.
I concur in your :rofl:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 07:59 PM
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34. You don't think so?
What would you have picked?
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 06:53 PM
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32. Yeah! My village took third place...
Unfortunately the county to the South votes repukian and we can't rid ourselves of Dave Reichert, the most useless POS in Congress.
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