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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:12 PM
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Three things I most value...Social Security, public education, Medicare..are being undermined now.
And I am supposed to not be upset about it, supposed to understand that there is very clever politicking going on that I can not comprehend. Well, that's true. I am pretty smart, and I don't understand why we are not taking the once in a lifetime opportunity to call out the Tea Party groups who are against everything our party stands for as a rule.

Instead of using the opportunity, our party leaders are playing some kind of weird game where it's a contest to see who can put programs like Social Security, Medicare and public education on the table first. It's really ridiculous.

I am upset. They say never post when you are angry inside, but this is not going to change apparently. And I am supposed to ignore all of the overtures our president and his advisors are making to the Tea Party in the name of bipartisanship.

If I show I am upset other people become upset because I am questioning the president's policies. I taught for over 30 years, so how I am supposed to react when they are on the attack against public school teachers and blaming them for all the ills of society.

I think it is deceiving to pretend that Social Security is contributing to the deficit, and making it a part of the Super Committee's agenda is simply outrageous. And don't kid yourself, they are already cutting back Medicare so much that doctor's offices and clinics are squealing in pain and unable to deliver services as they should.

J. K. Galbraith in December asked why in the world do the American people not know that the Tea Party and other Republicans are opposed to everything most Americans support. He pointed out a question that was asked.

Recently, Gregory King asked why the people didn't know that the Republican Party is uniformly and massively opposed to job programs, to state and local assistance, and to every legislative measure that might aid and promote economic recovery from the worst crisis and recession in modern times. Why is that that they didn't know? Could it have anything to do with the fact that the White House didn't tell them?

And why was that?


Whose side is the president on?


Yes, why is that?

And Galbraith offered up some very sound answers also.

The president deprived himself of any chance to develop a narrative from the beginning by surrounding himself with holdover appointments from the Bush and even the Clinton administrations: Secretary Geithner, Chairman Bernanke, and, since we're here at Harvard, I'll call him by his highest title, President Summers. These men have no commitment to the base, no commitment to the Democratic Party as a whole, no particular commitment to Barack Obama, and none to the broad objective of national economic recovery that can be detected from their actions.


Very true. Those men who are his advisors do not think of the people of the country, they consider policies that will benefit the business world. That is the bubble in which our president receives advice.

With this team the President also chose to cover up economic crime. Not only has the greatest wave of financial fraud in our history gone largely uninvestigated and unpunished, the government and this administration with its stress tests (which were fakes), its relaxation of accounting standards which permitted banks to hold toxic assets on their books at far higher prices than any investor would pay, with its failure to make criminal referrals where these were clearly warranted, with its continuation in office -- sometimes in acting capacities -- of some of the leading non-regulators of the earlier era, has continued an ongoing active complicity in financial fraud. And the perpetrators, of course, prospered as never before: reporting profits that they would not have been able to report under honest accounting standards and converting tax payer support into bonuses; while at the same time cutting back savagely on loans to businesses and individuals, and ramping up foreclosures, much of that accomplished with forged documents and perjured affidavits.

Could the President and his administration have done something? Yes, they could have. Where was the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation? Why did they choose not to implement the law -- the Prompt Corrective Action law -- which requires the federal government to take into receivership financial institutions when there is a significant risk of large taxpayer losses to the insurance fund?


There is much more at the link. Galbraith is angry, as are many of us.

Galbraith also had a piece published in April this year in Deutsche Welle. He is blunt about the political games going on in this country, games that are harming all of us.

The Bad Deal

Over here reality has been evident for a while, thanks to the President's pattern of giving way to banks, lobbies, Republicans and right-wing extremists. Whether your prime interest is housing, health care, peace, justice, jobs or climate change, if you are an activist in America you have known for a long time that this President is not your friend.

Still, even on these shores disillusion often took a mildly forgiving form. The President was a disappointment. He was weak. He had bad negotiating skills. He had a tendency to deal with hostage-takers, to surrender. All of this fed the image of a man with a noble spirit, a good heart, the best intentions, but trapped by limited ability and the relentless and reckless determination of his foes.

Obama is no progressive

The debt deal will make things clear. The President is not a progressive he is not what Americans still call a liberal. He is a willful player in an epic drama of faux-politics, an operative for the money power, whose job is to neutralize the left with fear and distraction and then to pivot rightward and deliver a conservative result.

What Barack Obama got from the debt deal was exactly what his sponsors have wanted: a long-term lock-in of domestic spending cuts, and a path toward severe cuts in the core New Deal and Great Society insurance programs Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. And, of course, no tax increases at all.


William Greider at The Nation also has been sounding the alarm about the safety net since last year. Our Democrats are not listening, they are not hearing us. Though a majority of Americans want these programs left alone...they do not speak out for us.

Obama Threatens Social Security

The most dangerous feature in the president's proposed compromise on taxes is not the $700 billion tax cut for billionaires. It is the Trojan horse provision that threatens to destroy Social Security by undermining the longterm solvency of the social insurance system.

Barack Obama has proposed to knock two percent off the FICA deductions every worker regularly contributes to the Social Security Trust Fund, the money set aside for their future retirement benefits. Obamas one-year tax relief sounds attractive and workers can surely use the money, but the consequences could prove deadly for the federal governments most popular program.

Doubtless, that is not Obamas intentionhe regularly calls for strengthening Social Securitybut the president has bought into a Republican proposition favored by conservatives who would love to do away with this New Deal creation.
They know this will deprive the trust fund of $120 billion in annual revenue and that shortfall will sooner or later have to be made up to sustain future benefits. Can you imagine Congress finding $120 billion for Social Security amid all the other fiscal pressures?


The changes to the social safety nets for seniors, the sneaky ways to turn public schools over to management companies who get taxpayer money, the denigration of public school teachers....these things that the right wing and conservative Democrats have wanted for ages are finally coming to pass right now.

I am not supposed to be upset, and if I do speak out I am considered disloyal to the party.

What is going on now is going to tear our party apart like nothing else has ever before. You say you don't see that in the media? Of course you don't. But the discontent is there lurking, and it is growing.

People do want public education, they are just not yet aware of the dismantling. People do not want their Social Security and Medicare tampered with, yet no one is listening. Our own party put it on the table.

I am posting while upset inside. I am sorry that many people here who used to respect me have let me know they don't anymore. I am older now, a hell of a lot wiser since our active participation in politics in 2003, and I simply don't care what they think.





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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:25 PM
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1. The typical DU reply is: "Would you rather see a President (insert Republican name) instead?!?!?!"
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:54 PM
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6. If (insert Republican name) would save Social Security, public education, Medicare - then yes
:shrug:

That should be a no brainer for anyone who holds traditional Democratic party values, right?
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 10:32 AM
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33. Hasn't each current GOP candidate said they would sign Ryan's bill?
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 02:12 PM
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64. You missed the 'if' n/t
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 09:50 AM
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58. Or,
the less common, milquetoast equivalent: "each current GOP candidate said they would sign Ryan's bill."
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:29 PM
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2. rec
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:39 PM
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3. knr nt
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:48 PM
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4. Thank you, Mad!
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:52 PM
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5. This is so true:
The president deprived himself of any chance to develop a narrative from the beginning by surrounding himself with holdover appointments from the Bush and even the Clinton administrations: Secretary Geithner, Chairman Bernanke, and, since we're here at Harvard, I'll call him by his highest title, President Summers. These men have no commitment to the base, no commitment to the Democratic Party as a whole, no particular commitment to Barack Obama, and none to the broad objective of national economic recovery that can be detected from their actions.


And we are being asked to keep these heartless moneymen in power for another four years?

I know now that how a President surrounds himself with is as important as the candidate himself. This will be a big factor in the next election.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:20 PM
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8. Totally agree.
We have a choice between a lingering, slow motion death with Obama or a quicker painful death with one of the circus loons on the farther right. Something akin to being given a choice of ropes to be hung with.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 11:32 AM
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35. "no commitment to the base" "no commitment to Barack Obama"
That is true. Their commitment is to their ideology, not to the country.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:09 PM
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7. Yes, so what are we going to do about it? Seriously. We need to start coming up with a plan. nm
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:25 AM
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26. I know NCPSSM is jump starting a major campaign next week to stop the Super committee
I'll post a link when the new site is up.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 11:39 AM
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36. When you post it, give a heads up.
So I can help keep it kicked. :hi:
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 10:32 AM
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60. I will.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 03:46 PM
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45. Do you mean they want to end the Super-Committee? or stop them from messing with SS and Medicare??nm
Edited on Thu Sep-15-11 03:47 PM by rhett o rick
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 10:32 AM
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61. Well they can't end it but they are campaigning against SS & Medicare cuts in the super committee n/
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tropicanarose Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:36 PM
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9. It is very disturbing. No, you are not being disloyal to the party. You are being loyal to our core
I wish that I could make sense of it. I try to tell myself that this is just a temporary thing where they are throwing a bone to the Republicans in an effort to get the economy moving in the right direction. Perhaps then when Obama gets reelected we will be in a greater position of power.
We can't count on that though and this is dead wrong.
It really irks the living hell out of me how all of the best things in our country are being presented by the right wingers as bad......social security, medicare, unions.......
We can continue to be aware and fight for what is right.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 12:37 AM
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12. It's hard to make sense of it.
I have not been able to do that yet. :hi:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:38 PM
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10. is my life better off under obama?....nope
will it be worse under the republicans?....it will be far worse

time is to precious to worry about what people think.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:45 PM
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11. Throw in the environment and unions...
and that's pretty much my list.

Apparently Obama is a communist because he is moving us to fascism slightly slower than the tea party would like.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 12:58 AM
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13. Yes, unions are definitely in jeopardy...teachers first.
It's a shame.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:26 AM
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15. teachers' unions?
Effectively outlawed in Ohio this year.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:45 AM
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16. AND OBAMA'S JOBS PROGRAM IS MOSTLY ABOUT CONSTRUCTION JOBS.
Edited on Thu Sep-15-11 01:46 AM by truedelphi
No one in my age group will benefit from those.

A friend called to say that her daughter, a board-certified lawyer working for the City of San Francisco CA was given her pinkslip last week. Along with 211 other employees.

Yet every Talking Head has people from this Administration on TV bragging about how "retraining" people is the thing to do to ease the jobs crisis... What planet are these people living on?

Laid off lawyers and teachers do not need re-training. Nor do teachers, project managers, fire fighters, police, or social workers.

We need someone who is really of true Democratic ideals to run in 2012. My friend Joyce Lynn runs a website and one of her dedicated dreams is of RFK Jr running in 2012. (Plumdreams.com)

Maybe it will come to that. Stranger things have happened.

Or maybe there is a Tinkerbelle, and if we all just clap loud enough, every elected official who has deserted the middle class will gag to death on the lies they keep telling.

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Broderick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 08:38 AM
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20. Maybe we could recognize that there is a possibility that
trickle down stimulus might be another bilking of the working class in America, and another fleecing? The first one, twice as large, was not big enough perhaps? We need a few more? Trickle down economics works so well right? Meanwhile you are seeing professionals laid off and in the same state B of A is headquartered we heard a speech about 19K jobs that would be created yet B of A is laying off 30,000. sigh, only a negative net of 11K. And each job is rumored to siphon down to a person at a cost of 300K, like the last stimulus touts. Give every American household 4K, because that is what the program costs. The last one could have given every household 8K. Nope, we need tax cuts to the wealthiest, and we need to pass the cash through the bilking mechanism once again.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:49 PM
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42. The banks knew what they were doing when they decided the way to go was to
"own" elected officials.

I like all of your statements. When we will gt a decent and honest government, I don't know.

I stand with the Progressive Caucus (all Democrats, by party) in The House on almost every action they take, yet they get nowhere with the WH. And few Senators, outside of Bernie Sanders and Barbara Boxer, seem to know of their existence.

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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 08:51 AM
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23. "Re-training" is simply politician-speak for "Let's put this off until some nebulous future."
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 07:10 PM
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65. Law degree/smaw degree! Waste Management is hiring garbagemen!
That's one of those jobs which can't be outsourced, ya know! Also one of those jobs where you can't keep doing it after your body starts aging, let alone from age 65 to age 67.

More seriously, at a recent CLE class, I heard that 1/3 of new law graduates are working as "contract lawyers", i.e, for $15 an hour, with no benefits. Passing a state bar exam/being licensed is a job requirement, since their work is being billed by their employers at $200 or more per hour.
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Broderick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 08:32 AM
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19. Well we were all focused on Wisconsin
And as I have said many times, other states took the cover provided to do much worse. All the resources and energy were spent in Wisconsin though.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 09:33 AM
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57. ...and a progressive tax code.
Oh, and truth in media and political advertising.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:05 AM
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14. Excellent post Mad, I really don't think they care what us little people think, we have become just
another commodity to be used traded and discarded if we don't serve the ends of the few they do listen to.

I don't think anyone knows what to do about it.
We have no means or vote to fight against a purchased system.
There is no party to protect the masses anymore :-(
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 08:26 AM
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17. "We have no means or vote to fight against a purchased system."
Just about the truth.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 08:31 AM
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18. k&r
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 08:40 AM
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21. We are judged here now not by what we stand up for....
but by whether we are critical of the administration.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 08:49 AM
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22. "...he regularly calls for...." Yes, Obama's words abound, do they not? But actions speak....
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:01 AM
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24. The neocons knew they couldn't tear up SS, Medicare, Education, and Unions
without an inside man. Under any republican president, the Democratic Party (including all of DU) would have risen up to stop this. True there wouldn't have been any progress in these from a republican president, but the erosion would not have been so steady.

It's like the black-jack tables. They don't take all your money at once. They let you win a little and slowly bleed you dry. Same with a Democratic president with reagan democrat goals. We are being bled slowly. Slowly but ever so surely.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:20 AM
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25. That is not correct
I don't recall anyone at DU "rising up", when my union came under attack.

On the contrary. Duers were more likely to start bragging about their non-union made cars when my union was coming under attack.

Did you forget that, Jake?

Don
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:40 AM
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29. Which republican president
targeted unions and had DU members supporting him for it? That was the gist of my post.

I don't disagree that DU has a strong contingent of reagan policy sympathizers. They don't like reagan, but they support his ideas. Especially when they come from a politician with a D beside his name. DU also has a strong frat boy contingent and not a little generational hypocrisy. But those are mostly newbies who came on board for the rock star candidate. Those who have been at the business of electing Democrats for a couple of decades have seen this errosian building.

I don't forget.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 11:44 AM
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37. I've said it before: people expect that everyone will say "ENOUGH!" when it is *their* livelihood
on the line. I think many people are truly shocked when it doesn't work that way.

The OP, for example, isn't a UAW supporter... :shrug:
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:26 AM
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27. Yes. If a Republican proposes these ideas, there is unified Democratic opposition
when Obama proposes them, it puts all Democrats in a very very uncomfortable situation. do you defy the head of your political party or go along because it is easier? We already know how that is going so far...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 12:40 PM
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38. We fought Bush on personal accounts in 2005
We fought him on his school policy.

There is no party fighting back now.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 04:06 PM
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46. And we didn't
demand everyone STFU and "wait and see" if it might happen or UNTIL it happened.
We fought back, even with GOP majorities in both Houses- and succeeded.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:30 AM
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28. recommend
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:53 AM
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30. Sad K&R.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 10:19 AM
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31. I happen to agree with your take on handing our public schools over to
corporations like the Murdoch's to handle the data management of our kids academic scores... The horror this man has created in the world leaves me ill.

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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 10:30 AM
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32. Mad...it's not being undermined. it's being systematically dismantled
:evilgrin:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 10:48 AM
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34. True.
:hi:
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ctwayne Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:28 PM
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39. Republicans Can Play Games, Too
Obama's whole idea is that he tries to appeal to "moderately" conservative Republicans in states like Idaho and Utah. Well, what's to prevent a Republican candidate like Romney from running to the LEFT of Omaha.
Romney could say that he is trying to protect Social Security and Medicare from Obama's budget cuts.
It could be a brilliant strategy that would get many votes.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:36 PM
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40. GOP is already running ads to protect Medicare from Obama.
They caught on quickly.

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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:49 PM
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41. Low lying fruit he handed to them with a Kiss, he does as much to promote their cause as he does to
undermine ours.
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ctwayne Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:50 PM
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43. Great Catch!
If I were a Republican running against Obama, that's exactly the kind of ad I would run.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 02:25 PM
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44. I know you're upset but I would like to remind you of what I believe you already know.
That is when you substantiate your OP's as you do consistently, it really doesn't matter what they think.


K&R, for your OP that contains too much reality for some.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:32 PM
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51. I appreciate that.
But unfortunately even well-sourced criticism is resented. It's a shame.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 02:11 PM
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63. It is a shame and at some point they will need to address the consequences of this administrations
policies.

You can run but not hide and all that....




Many are grateful for your work, you have a good weekend. :hi:
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 05:28 PM
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47. These are government programs that WORK. Big business hates that.

You've every right to be angry. As do we all.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 06:08 PM
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48. Except . . that they aren't.
You're going to be surprised I'm sure to hear that President Obama pulled Social Security away from the Super Committee's deficit reduction plans this afternoon in response to Boehnor's announcement that they will not raise taxes.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 06:38 PM
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49. He is already cutting Soc. Sec., undermining the funding.
Negative effects of the payroll tax cuts

""The 2% cut in taxes masquerades as a tool to stimulate spending and create jobs. But as Marc Pascal points out on The Moderate Voice: Cutting the payroll tax for social security is not a viable economic stimulus measure and it will not create any new jobs. It merely underfunds the program so Republicans can gut it later because it isnt paying for itself.

More:

"The White House maintains that the $120 billion lost to Social Security's trust fund will be paid back by a transfer of general tax revenue, "ensuring no negative impact on Social Security solvency."

But clearly there will be new pressure on the available pool of general tax revenue, unless the $120 billion generates so many new jobs so fast that an army of newly employed workers fills the coffers of the Internal Revenue Service with unanticipated tax revenue. No one expects that to happen, at least not quickly. So the government would have to borrow to make Social Security whole. That, in turn, would make the short-term deficit worse. So Congress might not vote to replenish the trust fund."

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""Given that the present Congress is unwilling to roll back the Bush tax cuts and raise even a nickel in additional taxes from millionaires," she says, "it's hard to believe that a more conservative Congress, in an election year, will increase the payroll tax from 4.2 to 6.2 percent a 30 percent increase on the very first dollar earned by virtually every single worker in the country." She thinks the cut could well become permanent.

If that happens, Social Securitys long-term shortfall could double over 75 years, she says, and political pressure to downsize the program could mount. That could lead to converting Social Security from a universal insurance program to a welfare program, with the numerous drawbacks of programs for the poor, including low public support. If this scenario unfolds, says Altman, "it's good-bye, Social Security."
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 07:15 PM
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50. He will put it back for a very small amount of tax increase, you'll see. /nt
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LadyInAZ Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 10:04 PM
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52. if government decide to cut out
public education - we wont have the next generation of skill people to work or operate anything.... this program ensure some kind of knowledge that prepares our young people for tomorrows future, social security and medicare... this is designed to help out elder survive years beyond employment if its removed and we start to see wave of related deaths... then u.s. will be known/or called non-humanitarian

stopping these programs that have worked in the past will only worsen our countries situation... republicans against these programs have always been this way... however to remove them when so many need them... would be foolish on any parties who allowed it...

i hope it doesn't happened...
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 10:34 PM
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53. I agree as do all the "old fashioned" Democrats I know, unfortunately we are a dying breed /nt
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Arthur3284 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 11:25 PM
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54. The state of public education has been completely woeful for a long time.
That's why the rich don't want to send their kids to public schools.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 11:42 PM
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55. They are taking taxpayer money from public schools....
and giving it to charter schools. They are paying thousands to recruit untrained "teachers" to take the place of real teachers laid off to make room for them.

They have showed contempt toward public school teachers for so long....that it's easy now.

They are planning to end public education and turn it over to EMOs and CMOs.

Public schools have served this country well.

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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 09:28 AM
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56. NOTHING to be gained by kidding ourselves...
Recovery begins with realism and there is nothing to be gained by kidding ourselves. On the topics that I know most about, the administration is beyond being a disappointment. It's beyond inept, unprepared, weak, and ineffective. Four and again two years ago, the people demanded change. As a candidate, the President promised change. In foreign policy and the core economic policies, he delivered continuity instead. That was true on Afghanistan and it was and is true in economic policy, especially in respect to the banks. What we got was George W. Bush's policies without Bush's toughness, without his in-your-face refusal to compromise prematurely. Without what he himself calls his understanding that you do not negotiate with yourself.

Galbraith's is NOT a lone voice in our wilderness! madfloridian has been steadily, and carefully, documenting this relentless subversion of our party's fundamental ideology--inevitably enduring much hateful and sarcastic vitriol from her fellow DUers--particularly from the increasingly pitiable Obama sycophants.

Another of our members, truth2power, posted the following in the wee hours this morning:

I think this country is on a suicide mission. We are governed (sic) by the worst slime to be found anywhere...guys in diapers and infantile brats who don't even care if their own district gets hurricane disaster aid until even MORE of what's left of our social safety net is looted.


Across the globe, the vast hoi polloi is witness to the sordid underbelly of our species' monstrous greed, made manifest in the coffers of the uber wealthy. We KNOW that our politicians--almost to a ONE--are merely sock puppets for the uber wealthy. We RECOGNIZE that those representatives who truly represent US (Bernie Sanders, Sheila Jackson Lee, Dennis Kucinich, Al Franken, to name a few of the VERY few...) fight a sisyphean battle just to be granted a few minutes of media coverage--often to be pundited into the oblivion of ridicule.

We are, indeed, at a critical juncture in our species' evolution. Will we continue to pay lip service to 'equality' even as we fully support the 'hierarchy' of greed? Or, will we say ENOUGH to the Corporate Megalomaniacs who've usurped our media, our politics, and our global economy?

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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 09:59 AM
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59. This is what "drowning America in a bathtub" looks like.
n/t
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airplaneman Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 02:05 PM
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62. Very well said.
I see the problem as very serious like we are headed for a Fascist Nazi type of government.
The Nazi's used lies to deceive people and the right ring element is doing the same thing.
With Regan it was a policy of disinformation (tell the lie over and over and the people will believe it).
Todays lies:
No new taxes = protect the rich and the hell with the rest of you.
Liberals want taxes that are fair and broad based and we want taxes used for social programs.
Social Security is a Ponszi scheme or will add to the deficit = we will destroy Social Security.
Liberals want to strengthen SS and we should increase benefits it is a sound program the can grow with support.
Government is too big and doesn't do thing well = we want to privatize everything - schools, roads, parks literally everything and government will be gutted into non existence except for the military which will be used against its own citizens to protect the rich.
We want a government that has an intimate relationship with us to solve our biggest problems and it can be as big as it needs to be and we want our military to fight wars if we are attacked or seriously threatened.
Thanks for sharing, I share your concerns.
-Airplane
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 07:22 PM
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66. You make some good points.
Welcome to DU, and thanks for the nice words.
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:51 PM
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67. As opposed to the New Deal, I think Obama's should be called "the Bad Deal." nt
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